Characters never named

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Re: Characters never named

Post by Twinbee_Mk_II » Mon May 26, 2014 7:15 am

Well having watched some early DragonBall recently (the Daimao Arc to be specific), the anime has a scene of Brief calling the cat Tama, though this may be filler.
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Re: Characters never named

Post by Gaffer Tape » Mon May 26, 2014 11:03 am

Yes, that is filler. Blooma's family does not appear in the original Piccolo arc at all.
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Re: Characters never named

Post by Herms » Mon May 26, 2014 5:27 pm

Tama ("Ball") is a generic name for pet cats, so "Scratch" is a pretty direct English adaptation.
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Re: Characters never named

Post by SaiyaJedi » Mon May 26, 2014 9:46 pm

Blade wrote:Doctor Briefs' Cat is never named, is it?

I know in the dub it's referred to as 'Scratch', and that the fandom has given it various names over the years, but Toriyama himself never has - or has he?
I believe it was referred to as "Tama" (a pretty common cat-name, all things considered) in background materials for the anime. Toriyama based its appearance on his cat Koge, though.
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Re: Characters never named

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue May 27, 2014 12:40 pm

I only want to know the name of Katatz's son. Then I'll be able to die in peace.
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Deep Thought wrote:For that record, does Dr. Brief have a first name? Or his wife, Mrs. Brief? I seem to recall that Bulma was the only one in the family with an actual first name.
You're falling for the trap of "Brief is the last name, right?" Considering that Videl makes it a point to say that most people out their way don't have surnames, and Dr. Brief & family are more out their way than they are Goku's way, it's far more likely that his given name is "Brief" with no family/surname to speak of. Therefore, she's not "Mrs. Brief"... and, of course, she's only ever referred to as "Bulma's mother" as far as I can remember, so there's no "Mrs. Brief" to confuse that fact.

So it's Brief (dad), the mother (no name given in the series, possibly "Panty" according to Toriyama interview), Bulma, and Tights!
Didn't we have something BoG related that had character profiles, and one of those had "Mr. & Mrs. Brief"?
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Isn't #8 classified as a human-based in the Daizenshuu, while Toriyama recently classified him as a robot?
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Characters never named

Post by Herms » Tue May 27, 2014 7:53 pm

Didn't we have something BoG related that had character profiles, and one of those had "Mr. & Mrs. Brief"?
There was something like that, but it was a translation of something that can also just mean "Brief and his wife".
Isn't #8 classified as a human-based in the Daizenshuu, while Toriyama recently classified him as a robot?
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Re: Characters never named

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed May 28, 2014 10:22 am

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Isn't #8 classified as a human-based in the Daizenshuu, while Toriyama recently classified him as a robot?
No, I don't think so. Unless I missed something.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Characters never named

Post by Marco Polo » Wed May 28, 2014 10:30 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Isn't #8 classified as a human-based in the Daizenshuu, while Toriyama recently classified him as a robot?
Ironically, #16 has the reverse issue, in that he was always classified as a robot, yet Toriyama recently classified him as a human-based.

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Re: Characters never named

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed May 28, 2014 10:33 am

Marco Polo wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Isn't #8 classified as a human-based in the Daizenshuu, while Toriyama recently classified him as a robot?
Ironically, #16 has the reverse issue, in that he was always classified as a robot, yet Toriyama recently classified him as a human-based.
No, Toriyama said that his design is based on his son, not that he made his son an Artificial Human.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Characters never named

Post by Marco Polo » Wed May 28, 2014 10:48 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Marco Polo wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Isn't #8 classified as a human-based in the Daizenshuu, while Toriyama recently classified him as a robot?
Ironically, #16 has the reverse issue, in that he was always classified as a robot, yet Toriyama recently classified him as a human-based.
No, Toriyama said that his design is based on his son, not that he made his son an Artificial Human.
Then what makes you think #8 is not 100% robot with a design based on a human?

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Re: Characters never named

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed May 28, 2014 11:02 am

Marco Polo wrote:Then what makes you think #8 is not 100% robot with a design based on a human?
That's not what I mean by saying "human-based", and neither is Daizenshuu. What the Daizenshuu means is that Dr. Gero took a human, and converted him into a Biotechnological-type Artificial Human, as he did with #17 & #18. However, Toriyama says that every Artificial Human, from #1 to #16, plus #19, was entirely artificially constructed.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Characters never named

Post by Marco Polo » Wed May 28, 2014 11:06 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Marco Polo wrote:Then what makes you think #8 is not 100% robot with a design based on a human?
That's not what I mean by saying "human-based", and neither is Daizenshuu. What the Daizenshuu means is that Dr. Gero took a human, and converted him into a Biotechnological-type Artificial Human, as he did with #17 & #18. However, Toriyama says that every Artificial Human, from #1 to #16, plus #19, was entirely artificially constructed.
Your Daizenshuu quote simply says "A human-based artificial human developed early on by Doctor Gero." Human-based can easily mean that it's modelled after a human but 100 % mechanical, especially since it's a translation.

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Re: Characters never named

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed May 28, 2014 11:18 am

Marco Polo wrote:Your Daizenshuu quote simply says "A human-based artificial human developed early on by Doctor Gero." Human-based can easily mean that it's modelled after a human but 100 % mechanical, especially since it's a translation.
He's under the category "Biotechnological-Type Artificial Humans", which has #17, #18, and Cell, not under "Mecha-Type Artificial Humans", which has #16, #19, and #20.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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