Goku hiding SSJ3 from Vegeta

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Re: Goku hiding SSJ3 from Vegeta

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:12 pm

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MasterVampire wrote:So when Goku fought Vegeta they were both SSJ2 but they were pretty much evenly matched.
However we know Goku didn't use SSJ3 even though it would of won him the fight like in 10 seconds.

But later on when Goku returns to Earth Super Buu with Gotenks absorbed briefly fights him and he transforms straight into SSJ3 for that battle.

However a bit later when he meets up with Vegeta he fights Buu again who is now even stronger thanks to absorbing Gohan but because Vegeta is there with him he doesn't use SSJ3 like he did only just before.

Isn't that a bit dumb?

I mean to even stand a little chance he should have used it but instead he risks getting killed fighting in his weaker transformation just because of Vegeta?
Using SSJ3 GREATLY reduces Goku's time in the living world and he knows it. That's why he hesitated to fight Vegeta at full power from the start (as well as for protecting Vegeta's pride) but Goku miscalculated and it only took a few moments of his battle with Vegeta for Buu to be released, before he could even decide that he really needed to use SSJ3 to end the fight.
So you're saying that Goku held back because he deemed Vegeta unworthy of his time? What an asshole.
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Re: Goku hiding SSJ3 from Vegeta

Post by Dbzfan94 » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:37 pm

MasterVampire wrote:So when Goku fought Vegeta they were both SSJ2 but they were pretty much evenly matched.
However we know Goku didn't use SSJ3 even though it would of won him the fight like in 10 seconds.

But later on when Goku returns to Earth Super Buu with Gotenks absorbed briefly fights him and he transforms straight into SSJ3 for that battle.

However a bit later when he meets up with Vegeta he fights Buu again who is now even stronger thanks to absorbing Gohan but because Vegeta is there with him he doesn't use SSJ3 like he did only just before.

Isn't that a bit dumb?

I mean to even stand a little chance he should have used it but instead he risks getting killed fighting in his weaker transformation just because of Vegeta?
Wow I never realized that. I always thought it was that he was tired from using SSJ3 or he knew it still wouldn't be enough anyway, hence his insistance on fusing

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Re: Goku hiding SSJ3 from Vegeta

Post by Hitiro » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:49 pm

Dbzfan94 wrote:Wow I never realized that. I always thought it was that he was tired from using SSJ3 or he knew it still wouldn't be enough anyway, hence his insistance on fusing
If you're on about his insistence on fusing with Vegeta, that was merely because Boo was too strong for him. If you are talking about the boys fusion into Gotenks then Goku states that he, as a dead person, shouldn't be saving the earth because it is not his place. And that the current generation should be the ones to look after it now.

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Re: Goku hiding SSJ3 from Vegeta

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:05 am

There are a lot of potential reasons why he did it. Goku probably told Vegeta they were evenly matched based on the mastery of SSJ2 forms they both were more comfortable fighting in. Vegetas was equal to his own mastered state. For my theory, the SSJ3 form was probably too overwhelming for him to use and not stable enough for him to use without strain. He even held back against Fat Buu with it in mind.
I'd assume if he lost ki in the form, Babidi would have a lot to absorb.
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Re: Goku hiding SSJ3 from Vegeta

Post by CordonBloo » Tue Jul 29, 2014 3:52 pm

Honestly the Super Saiyan 3 form is too impractical to be used in a battle where you're so evenly matched, it drains your chi too fast. I think Goku knew it would make more sense to fight Vegeta as SS2, and also because it would have sent him back to the Afterlife much quicker. Vegeta was just angry that he was more concerned about that than winning against him.... Which is typical Vegeta...
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Re: Goku hiding SSJ3 from Vegeta

Post by rereboy » Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:13 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote: So you're saying that Goku held back because he deemed Vegeta unworthy of his time? What an asshole.
What? No. If Goku spent all his time, he would have to leave and he wouldn't be able to help anybody. Considering that Goku was needed to teach the kids fusion and that Gotenks would have won if he had fought Fat Buu instead of Super Buu, Goku had a point.

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Re: Goku hiding SSJ3 from Vegeta

Post by xmysticgohanx » Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:54 pm

CordonBloo wrote:Honestly the Super Saiyan 3 form is too impractical to be used in a battle where you're so evenly matched, it drains your chi too fast. I think Goku knew it would make more sense to fight Vegeta as SS2, and also because it would have sent him back to the Afterlife much quicker. Vegeta was just angry that he was more concerned about that than winning against him.... Which is typical Vegeta...
But they're not evenly matched. Goku would've one shotted Vegeta before he even realizes Goku lost his eyebrows :roll:
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