Is Colleen Really The Best English Kid Gohan Ever?

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Re: Is Colleen Really The Best English Kid Gohan Ever?

Post by ABED » Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:51 am

WittyUsername wrote:It's alright, you don't really need to understand why some people might like Nadolny's performance, there will always be people that have different opinions on things like voice acting. Many people don't exactly find Clinkenbeard's Gohan easy on the ears either, but that's not really a big deal for me since Gohan can easily be viewed as an annoying character. As great as Nozawa is, even she can sometimes be a little grating in my opinion. As I said before, I'm neutral to both Nadolny and Clinkenbeard as Gohan, but I think they both get the job done.
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Re: Is Colleen Really The Best English Kid Gohan Ever?

Post by thatdbzguy » Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:18 pm

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It's just a matter of opinion if someone likes Nadolny's Goku. I'm neutral to both Clinkenbeard and Nadolny's Gohans but I do like Nadolny's Goku since I think it fits the wild, goofball side of him.
Doesn't mean I have to understand why. I don't understand how anyone comes away from Nadolny's performances thinking anything other than they're awful and her Gohan and especially Goku voices are grating. That Woody Woodpecker/Krusty laugh is hokey and intolerable.
I don't understand how anyone (even if it is the minority) could think DBZ isn't poorly written, so I see where you're coming from. I just don't find Nadolny's voice painful to listen to, regardless of acting ability. Colleen's voice, on the other hand, does at times. Whether or not it fits for a 5-year-old or not doesn't really matter to me anymore. If I find a voice annoying, I find it annoying. Simple as that.
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Re: Is Colleen Really The Best English Kid Gohan Ever?

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It's just a matter of opinion if someone likes Nadolny's Goku. I'm neutral to both Clinkenbeard and Nadolny's Gohans but I do like Nadolny's Goku since I think it fits the wild, goofball side of him.
Doesn't mean I have to understand why. I don't understand how anyone comes away from Nadolny's performances thinking anything other than they're awful and her Gohan and especially Goku voices are grating. That Woody Woodpecker/Krusty laugh is hokey and intolerable.
I don't understand how anyone (even if it is the minority) could think DBZ isn't poorly written, so I see where you're coming from. I just don't find Nadolny's voice painful to listen to, regardless of acting ability. Colleen's voice, on the other hand, does at times. If I find a voice annoying, I find it annoying. Simple as that.
Be specific, what moment do you find her voice painful? Seriously, how is there any moment where her voice is more shrill than Colleen's? It's like sandpaper.

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Re: Is Colleen Really The Best English Kid Gohan Ever?

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ABED wrote:Be specific, what moment do you find her voice painful? Seriously, how is there any moment where her voice is more shrill than Colleen's? It's like sandpaper.
There are no specific moments. I'll just listen to her Gohan for awhile, and it won't take too long before I'm sick of hearing it. Stephanie started off horrible, yes, but her voiced smoothed out a bit the longer she voiced Gohan/Goku, so her rasp wasn't nearly as bad anymore. Her voice may have still sounded too old for Gohan, but it was still not as painful to listen to as Colleen's to me. Why? I don't know. It's the same reason why some people like death metal and others don't. Things can sound pleasant to some, and unpleasant to others.
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Re: Is Colleen Really The Best English Kid Gohan Ever?

Post by qjz123 » Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:04 pm

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ABED wrote:Be specific, what moment do you find her voice painful? Seriously, how is there any moment where her voice is more shrill than Colleen's? It's like sandpaper.
There are no specific moments. I'll just listen to her Gohan for awhile, and it won't take too long before I'm sick of hearing it. Stephanie started off horrible, yes, but her voiced smoothed out a bit the longer she voiced Gohan/Goku, so her rasp wasn't nearly as bad anymore. Her voice may have still sounded too old for Gohan, but it was still not as painful to listen to as Colleen's to me. Why? I don't know. It's the same reason why some people like death metal and others don't. Things can sound pleasant to some, and unpleasant to others.
ABED wrote:You do not see where I'm coming from. You just come in here and say stuff to get a reaction.
No, that's actually quite far from it, but I doubt I'd get you to change your mind.
You once again failed to provide any specific examples, at this point the only thing we can do is take your word for it in which case there really isn't any room for discussion. Finding clips to support your opinion isn't hard I did it in my first post. You started off this thread by saying Colleen Clinkenbeard's voice doesn't capture Gohan but Nadonly's does if this is indeed the case providing specific examples would really help in furthering the discussion. Rather than outlining any specific instances you essentially said that Colleen's performance as a whole is painful to listen too.
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Re: Is Colleen Really The Best English Kid Gohan Ever?

Post by SSJ4_Zankuto » Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:32 pm

I first heard Colleen Clinkenbeard's voice for Kid Gohan on Dragon Ball Raging Blast 2 videogame, then I noticed her voice sounded similiar to Sarah Natochenny's Ash Ketchum's voice. It gotten me thinking it was appropriate choice of picking Sarah Natochenny for voice acting role for Ash Ketchum by making him sound like a 10-year-old child.

While Colleen Clinkenbeard's voice for Kid Gohan makes him sound like a little crying kid, and this is good enough reason why I like Colleen Clinkenbeard's Kid Gohan's voice better. I don't find her Gohan sounded too girly.

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Re: Is Colleen Really The Best English Kid Gohan Ever?

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:28 pm

For me, yes. The old dub's Gohan, Freeza, and Bulma make it unwatchable for me. I'll take Clinkenbeard, Rial, and Ayres over Nadolny, Vollmer, and Young any day of the week.
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Re: Is Colleen Really The Best English Kid Gohan Ever?

Post by NitroEX » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:46 pm

Saffron Henderson fit Gohan like a glove IMO.

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Post by ABED » Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:29 pm

NitroEX wrote:Saffron Henderson fit Gohan like a glove IMO.
Agreed, but Colleen is a close second. It's a shame we didn't hear more of her Goku.
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Post by Codarik » Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:53 pm

There are no good English Kid Gohans. Colleen's is just the best acted.

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Post by ABED » Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:51 pm

Really, none of them are good? What issue do you have with them?
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Post by JackyBoi99 » Thu Jun 26, 2014 1:57 am

I think Saffron did a really solid performance as Gohan.
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Post by SSJ3_Zack » Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:54 pm

Personally I prefer Jillian Michaels's voice for Son Gohan. Less raspy than the others.

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Post by Ajay » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:34 pm

SSJ3_Zack wrote:Personally I prefer Jillian Michaels's voice for Son Gohan. Less raspy than the others.
Likewise.

Clinkenbeard may be the best actor but I don't enjoy her voice much. Honestly, all of the voices are pretty garbage but Michaels' is the least offensive to my ears. Terrible acting but the voice is nice.
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Post by CaBrPi » Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:33 pm

SSJ4_Zankuto wrote:I first heard Colleen Clinkenbeard's voice for Kid Gohan on Dragon Ball Raging Blast 2 videogame, then I noticed her voice sounded similiar to Sarah Natochenny's Ash Ketchum's voice. It gotten me thinking it was appropriate choice of picking Sarah Natochenny for voice acting role for Ash Ketchum by making him sound like a 10-year-old child.

While Colleen Clinkenbeard's voice for Kid Gohan makes him sound like a little crying kid, and this is good enough reason why I like Colleen Clinkenbeard's Kid Gohan's voice better. I don't find her Gohan sounded too girly.
Funnily enough, I feel the same about Natochenny. Didn't like her at all at first, but now she's right up there with Veronica Taylor (and I even think Natochenny's current voice is better than Taylor's was in the first few episodes).

Anyway, I absolutely love Colleen Clinkenbeard's Gohan. I love the way the voice changes, deepening in pitch as the series goes on. I love the way she sounds almost like an actual person, which is something I can't say for Nadolny.

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Post by jjgp1112 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:33 pm

Stephanie Nadolny didn't start out very good because she was trying to imitate Saffron Henderson but didn't have the voice for it, which led to it being raspy, but around the Cell saga she really figured out the voice and was easily the perfect voice for him starting around 2001. I've watched enough Dragon Ball over the years to know that the common complaint about her voices for Goku and Gohan being too raspy is an outdated myth - it's actually more of a nasal. It's a really cool, unique voice and though I have warmed up to Colleen's Gohan voice, Stephanie will always be the voice of Gohan and Kid Goku to me and many other fans.
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Post by ABED » Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:43 pm

Her Goku voice isn't all that raspy, but her Gohan is.
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Post by Big Momma » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:30 am

I wouldn't mind Naldony if she cut back on the rasp. I love her Kid Goku voice, it's just that her Gohan, for some reason, sounds incredibly raspy to me.

Still, I'm very much enjoying Clickenbeards take on the character. But there is something "off" about it.
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Post by gohann » Wed Sep 03, 2014 12:01 pm

Stephanie Nadolny is underrated. :(

She gave Gohan a slight rasp but the rasp gave Gohan character, she was the best Gohan ever. Colleen can act but the voice itself sucks, her screams are just awful. People here are saying Stephanie Nadolny's laugh is grating, but then turn a blind eye to Colleen Clinkenbeard's screams. Listen to the end of her clip for her screams: http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/voi ... all/Gohan/

Next, Stephanie Nadolny sounds more like a real little boy, too while Colleen Clinkenbeard just makes him whiny.

Jillian Michaels and Saffron Henderson were alright I suppose.

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Post by Valerius Dover » Wed Sep 03, 2014 12:10 pm

^Well, to me it was mostly "Oh, he has the same voice as Goku when he was a kid". Which is why it was nice to hear a different voice given to Goten later on down the line. I myself can't judge Colleen's performance as Gohan yet, but I had no issue with her Goku in Curse of the Blood Rubies.
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