Even translated like that, it still doesn't say anything new. All it says is that Potara works as a multiplication, which doesn't mean that it works as AxB. Kaio-ken works as a multiplication, Super Saiyan works as a multiplication, etc. The "Goku X Vegeta = Vegetto" is on the other side of the page, connected through an arrow with manga panels that show us how Goku & Vegeta make Vegetto. It has nothing to do with that statement.Herms wrote:Personally, I’d translate it more like this:Rather than a sum of the two people’s battle powers, the power-up from merging is so incredible it becomes a “multiplication”.
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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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It literally says that it's not a sum of BPs, but a multiplication (of BPs, obviously).DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Even translated like that, it still doesn't say anything new.Herms wrote:Personally, I’d translate it more like this:Rather than a sum of the two people’s battle powers, the power-up from merging is so incredible it becomes a “multiplication”.
If it said that it's not a multiplication of BPs, but a sum, would you not think that it means sum of BPs?
Seems like Hujio nailed it:
Plus a "Goku x Vegeta makes Vegetto" statement would be redundant in a section about battle powers. It's a power representation, deal with it.Hujio wrote:the more and more this drags on I get the sense we're starting to look at a "what I want it to say" sort of situation.
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No, not obviously. It could mean that it works as a multiplication of the 2 BPs, or that it works as a multiplication on the sum of the 2 BPs. All that is stated is that it works as a multiplication, how exactly? That's up to us to assume.hleV wrote:It literally says that it's not a sum of BPs, but a multiplication (of BPs, obviously).
But this isn't what is said. With sum, you don't have many choices to choose, but with multiplication? That's another story.If it said that it's not a multiplication of BPs, but a sum, would you not think that it means sum of BPs?
Except that it is nowhere near the power statement. By your logic, the pictures that describe how Goku & Vegeta turn into Vegetto shouldn't be there. The page doesn't talk exclusively about the Potara power boost, it talks about the Potara in general.Plus a "Goku x Vegeta makes Vegetto" statement would be redundant in a section about battle powers. It's a power representation, deal with it.
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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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If it was a multiplication of something else than A & B's BPs (which are referred to in the very same sentence), it would've been specified. It doesn't get more simple than that.
A sentence "not the sum of their two battle powers, but something as amazing as "multiplication" of their battle powers" with the addition of the bolded text at the end would look really stupid, wouldn't it?
The original sentence literally translates to "not a sum, but rather a multiplication". And it's talking about battle powers.
A sentence "not the sum of their two battle powers, but something as amazing as "multiplication" of their battle powers" with the addition of the bolded text at the end would look really stupid, wouldn't it?
The original sentence literally translates to "not a sum, but rather a multiplication". And it's talking about battle powers.
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Except that the "Goku x Vegeta = Vegetto" says absolutely nothing about battle powers, and it isn't close or connected with anything other than battle powers. It is close & connected with the description of how Goku & Vegeta turn into Vegetto.hleV wrote:If it was a multiplication of something else than A & B's BPs (which are referred to in the very same sentence), it would've been specified. It doesn't get more simple than that.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: Battle Power Guide: Vegetto's Battle Power
So in a section about battle powers and power multipliers, there's a statement that Vegetto is a fusion of Goku and Vegeta. So far you're doing a really terrible job at convincing... anyone. I think I'm done here, as the Kanzenshuu staff, which actually knows stuff, is indeed correct (besides the mistake of applying Vegetto's "formula" to any Potara fusion) and you fail to interpret obvious statements correctly.
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Explain me why the manga panels are there describing the merging of Goku & Vegeta, if that page talks exclusively about battle powers, and explain me why there is a huge arrow connecting these pictures with a "Goku x Vegeta = Vegetto".hleV wrote:So in a section about battle powers and power multipliers, there's a statement that Vegetto is a fusion of Goku and Vegeta. So far you're doing a really terrible job at convincing... anyone.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Battle Power Guide: Vegetto's Battle Power
Because it's a guidebook, and they try to include visuals to make the book less boring. The manga panels just illustrate how the fusion occurred in the manga, and it's also why there's a small picture of Old Kaiōshin included. But like Herms said earlier, pretend like the pictures aren't even there. The text all by itself is where this statement comes from, and it stands on its own merit.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Explain me why the manga panels are there describing the merging of Goku & Vegeta, if that page talks exclusively about battle powers, and explain me why there is a huge arrow connecting these pictures with a "Goku x Vegeta = Vegetto".
I'm not sure we can spell it out much more than this. We've addressed the issue. We've provided documentation. We've given you clarification.Super Exciting Guide wrote:Rather than a sum of the two people's battle powers, the power-up from merging is so incredible it becomes a "multiplication".
We're done here.