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Re: Worst character to ever exist in Dragon Ball History...

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat Sep 06, 2014 9:03 pm

The Monkey King wrote:Super Android 17.

Everything about this character is stupid. His only saving grace is his design.
I agree. He looks cool, but his characters is god awful. He screams unoriginal and lame next to Bio Broli in my opinion.
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Post by Doctor. » Sat Sep 06, 2014 10:19 pm

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DBZAOTA482 wrote:He might even be one of the worst fictional characters ever written. :x
Harsh. He has redeeming qualities like every Dragon Ball character.
I like his voice and character design. That's pretty much it.

That's not enough to make up for all that's wrong with his character.
He's a God. Not a unique concept in the Dragon world, but a good one. His introduction brought in unique plot devices such as the Potara, the Z Sword, the potential unlock and others. Admittedly they were only used one, but it brings variety. Plus, the filler scene of Boo killing all the Kaioshins makes you somewhat feel sorry for him.

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Re: Worst character to ever exist in Dragon Ball History...

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Sep 07, 2014 12:29 am

Most GT characters in general were pretty awful. The worst ones I can list of my head were:

Pan: The Dragon Ball equivalent of Scrappy Doo. She was annoying and over stay her welcome. I get that they wanted her and Goku together and we can get development out of them. She was handle so poorly and she became useless after the Bebi saga. Not to mention she act liked a spoiled brat during the whole show in my opinion.

The Sigma Force: Just a bad rehash of the Ginyu force. Neither of the Sigma Force were as funny or have the charm as the Ginyu Force. They are just another good example of GT rehashing things.

Para Brothers: Ugh, I hate these guys. They were the most annoying characters in the franchise and I rather be lock up in a room with Jar Jar instead of these guys.

Super 17: Cool design, but he has nothing else going for him. He has zero personality, no character development and no motivation. He just doing what Dr. Myuu told him to do and he end up killing Dr. Myuu anyways. If he killed Goku, what he would have done? He would have just return to his normal life when he just normal #17 or he would have killed everyone on Earth similar to the #17 in the other timelines. GT never made it clear on what his motivation as a villain is.

Yi Xing Long (Syn Shenron)/Super Yi Xing Long (Omega Shenron): He's our final battle of the show and the main villain that the series has been trying to build up for? He shows up out of nowhere with zero build up and his real motivation is to destroy the whole universe. Why does he want to destroy it? His motivations are poorly plan out and he had great potential to be great. Instead, we just get a generic doomsday villain that you would see in a 60's Saturday Morning Cartoon from Hanna-Barbera.
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Re: Worst character to ever exist in Dragon Ball History...

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:46 am

DBZAOTA482 wrote:It has to be Kaioshin.

1. Useless

Ever noticed that Kaioshin's one of the only characters that can be taken out without negatively effecting the turns of events? In fact, the whole Majin Boo conflict wouldn't have happened at all without this supreme fuck-up. All good he did was save Gohan's life even though him nearly dying was his fault to begin with. Otherwise, he must as well have a M on his forehead and work for Babidi given all the help he was.

2. Pussy

Sure in his introduction he seemed badass but as soon as the actual Majin Boo shit came into play he reveals just how much of a bitch he really is. For start, he had absolutely no faith in the Saiyans or himself. He was fretting over guys that would be fodder during the Namek/Freeza Saga. Hell, I think even Nappa could easily beat Pui-Pui. Not to mention during his fight with Majin Boo basically all he did was give him a breeze.

3. Idiot/Selfish

By god, I can't believe how stupid this Kai is. He lets ALL of Babidi's plans come into fuition ranging from letting Spopovich and Yamu steal Gohan's energy to standing around and doing nothing as he decides he must immediately stop Babidi. He never bothered to stop Freeza for no apparent reason and he left Majin Boo's shell on Earth, which is possibly the worst planet to leave anything of value unintended and this is a shell in which he was afraid would be broken and revive Majin Boo by mere vibration (which in itself makes no sense since he knows it needs energy to be broken at all and a shell that's able to lock up such a beast naturally should be strong). Even worse is how he never bothered to keep check of the Earth. The final nail on the coffin is how he knows absolutely nothing about the Saiyans. Okay, you know who Freeza is but you don't know shit about Saiyans, who have far more history than that fucking transvestite and was even enslaved by said transvestite for a good 3 or 4 decades. What sorry excuse of a god of all creation not know that? Really wished Vegeta would have wasted his ass. I could honestly go on and on about examples of his stupidity but just writing about this character makes my mind squirm.


In short, Kaioshin is the worst character in all of Dragon Ball and quite possibly in all anime history. He might even be one of the worst fictional characters ever written. :x
I wouldn't call Kaioshin a pussy. Yeah, he's easily frightened, but when the chips are down he's still willing to fight, even against foes that horribly outmatch him, and who he has every reason to be scared of. Also, give him some credit, he did last longer against the lard bucket than Gohan did (though Buu defeating the god of gods by crushing him with his fat ass was one of the most hilarious and ridiculous things in this arc- and one reason why I love Buu so much).

No Kaioshin = no Z-Sword and a dead Gohan.

Oh come on. His plan (follow Spopo, sneak up on Babidi, don't touch the ball, gang up on the minions, and THEN kill Babidi) would have worked just fine if Vegeta wasn't a monster and Goku wasn't a moron. Or if neither were there at all. Just think what would happen in that case:

1. Kaioshin and Gohan find Babidi by following Spopovich and Yamu. Presumably, Dabra then curbstomps Krillin, Kibito, and Piccolo, obliterating one and turning the other two into stone.

2. Kaioshin and Gohan easily sweep aside Pui Pui, the mystery level 2 fighter, and Yakon.

3. Gohan fights Dabra and struggles a lot. Kaioshin then gangs up on Dabra with Gohan and paralyzes Dabra, rendering him motionless and defenseless. Gohan then Kamehamehas his ass, restoring Piccolo and Krillin.

4. Babidi tries to take control of Gohan, but can't.

5. Kaioshin kills Babidi, takes Buu's ball, and thanks Gohan.

Stopping a thug in the northern galaxy is not the east Kaioshin's job. He probably wouldn't obligated to kill him even if he was the North Kaioshin. Mortal world problems and all that.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Worst character to ever exist in Dragon Ball History...

Post by ImmaDeker » Sun Sep 07, 2014 5:02 am

DBZAOTA482 wrote:He might even be one of the worst fictional characters ever written. :x
If you have an insanely small frame of reference and an even more narrow perspective of that small frame, maybe.

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Re: Worst character to ever exist in Dragon Ball History...

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sun Sep 07, 2014 8:35 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:
DBZAOTA482 wrote:It has to be Kaioshin.

1. Useless

Ever noticed that Kaioshin's one of the only characters that can be taken out without negatively effecting the turns of events? In fact, the whole Majin Boo conflict wouldn't have happened at all without this supreme fuck-up. All good he did was save Gohan's life even though him nearly dying was his fault to begin with. Otherwise, he must as well have a M on his forehead and work for Babidi given all the help he was.

2. Pussy

Sure in his introduction he seemed badass but as soon as the actual Majin Boo shit came into play he reveals just how much of a bitch he really is. For start, he had absolutely no faith in the Saiyans or himself. He was fretting over guys that would be fodder during the Namek/Freeza Saga. Hell, I think even Nappa could easily beat Pui-Pui. Not to mention during his fight with Majin Boo basically all he did was give him a breeze.

3. Idiot/Selfish

By god, I can't believe how stupid this Kai is. He lets ALL of Babidi's plans come into fuition ranging from letting Spopovich and Yamu steal Gohan's energy to standing around and doing nothing as he decides he must immediately stop Babidi. He never bothered to stop Freeza for no apparent reason and he left Majin Boo's shell on Earth, which is possibly the worst planet to leave anything of value unintended and this is a shell in which he was afraid would be broken and revive Majin Boo by mere vibration (which in itself makes no sense since he knows it needs energy to be broken at all and a shell that's able to lock up such a beast naturally should be strong). Even worse is how he never bothered to keep check of the Earth. The final nail on the coffin is how he knows absolutely nothing about the Saiyans. Okay, you know who Freeza is but you don't know shit about Saiyans, who have far more history than that fucking transvestite and was even enslaved by said transvestite for a good 3 or 4 decades. What sorry excuse of a god of all creation not know that? Really wished Vegeta would have wasted his ass. I could honestly go on and on about examples of his stupidity but just writing about this character makes my mind squirm.


In short, Kaioshin is the worst character in all of Dragon Ball and quite possibly in all anime history. He might even be one of the worst fictional characters ever written. :x
I wouldn't call Kaioshin a pussy. Yeah, he's easily frightened, but when the chips are down he's still willing to fight, even against foes that horribly outmatch him, and who he has every reason to be scared of. Also, give him some credit, he did last longer against the lard bucket than Gohan did (though Buu defeating the god of gods by crushing him with his fat ass was one of the most hilarious and ridiculous things in this arc- and one reason why I love Buu so much).

No Kaioshin = no Z-Sword and a dead Gohan.

Oh come on. His plan (follow Spopo, sneak up on Babidi, don't touch the ball, gang up on the minions, and THEN kill Babidi) would have worked just fine if Vegeta wasn't a monster and Goku wasn't a moron. Or if neither were there at all. Just think what would happen in that case:

1. Kaioshin and Gohan find Babidi by following Spopovich and Yamu. Presumably, Dabra then curbstomps Krillin, Kibito, and Piccolo, obliterating one and turning the other two into stone.

2. Kaioshin and Gohan easily sweep aside Pui Pui, the mystery level 2 fighter, and Yakon.

3. Gohan fights Dabra and struggles a lot. Kaioshin then gangs up on Dabra with Gohan and paralyzes Dabra, rendering him motionless and defenseless. Gohan then Kamehamehas his ass, restoring Piccolo and Krillin.

4. Babidi tries to take control of Gohan, but can't.

5. Kaioshin kills Babidi, takes Buu's ball, and thanks Gohan.

Stopping a thug in the northern galaxy is not the east Kaioshin's job. He probably wouldn't obligated to kill him even if he was the North Kaioshin. Mortal world problems and all that.
I understand his fears but at least TRY to put up a decent fight instead of using just stupid wind.

His plans may have failed because the Saiyans didn't act the way he expect him to but the only reason it even came close to succeeding in the first place is because they were a lot stronger than he expected so you can't give him credit there. Still deliberately letting Spopovich and Yamu steal Gohan's energy was stupid and counter-productive. Also, Kaioshits had no plan. All his plan was to be a coward and gang up on all the fighters instead of using his many powers.

Also, Goku and Vegeta fucking up the situation was all on him as well.

Lastly, that's what I mean by how he's selfish. Freeza was more than just a common space thug. He was a galactic overload who oppressed and killed millions to expand his territory yet he did nothing to help despite having the powers to do so because.. well... it's none of his business. He didn't care about the millions of people suffering. Selfish.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Sep 07, 2014 1:58 pm

He was completely incapable of hurting Buu. So was Gohan. Trying to kiai Buu away was probably the best thing he could have done, in that case. He also survived more punishment than Gohan.

His plan to find Babidi worked, and nothing would have gone wrong if not for Goku and Vegeta. He sensed SS2 Gohan before he enacted any part of the plan, and Gohan + Kaioshin could have smoked Dabra, so yeah, he knew what he was doing. He didn't really underestimate the trio, he just overestimated Pui Pui and Yakon. Also, the Goku-Vegeta fight filled up Buu's ball so quickly that Buu's release probably would have happened regardless.

Cowardly? Are you serious? Buu wouldn't have been a problem if they just ganged up on Dabra, or sent Vegeta or Goku to fight him. But Goku absolutely insisted on having their weakest fighter fight the enemy's strongest fighter alone, even as Kaioshin and Vegeta told him how dumb it was.

No it wasn't. This one's all on Vegeta. Take him out of the equation and nothing goes wrong. Take Goku out and nothing goes wrong. Take both of them out and nothing goes wrong.

No, Freeza really is just a thug. He kills people, takes their property, and sells it for a quick buck. That's not what an emperor does. He's well known in the north galaxy, but he's still not enough of a concern that the EAST Kaioshin feels compelled to do anything. That's not his job. The Kaioshin are only supposed to intervene when something threatens the universe.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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RandomGuy96 wrote:He was completely incapable of hurting Buu. So was Gohan. Trying to kiai Buu away was probably the best thing he could have done, in that case. He also survived more punishment than Gohan.

His plan to find Babidi worked, and nothing woukd have gone wrong if not for Goku and Vegeta. He sensed SS2 Gohan be for he enacted any part of the plan, and Gohan + Kaioshin could have smoked Dabra, so yeah, he knew what he was doing. He didn't really underestimate the trio, he just overestimated Pui Pui and Yakon. Also, the Goku-Vegeta fight filled up Buu's ball so quickly that Buu's release probably would have happened regardless.

Cowardly? Are you serious? Buu wouldn't have been a problem if they just ganged up on Dabra, or sent Vegeta or Goku to fight him. But Goku absolutely insisted on having their weakest fighter fight the enemy's strongest fighter alone, even as Kaioshin and Vegeta told him how dumb it was.

No it wasn't. This one's all on Vegeta. Take him out of the equation and nothing goes wrong. Take Goku out and nothing goes wrong. Take both of them out and nothing goes wrong.

No, Freeza really is just a thug. He kills people, takes their property, and sells it for a quick buck. That's not what an emperor does. He's well known in the north galaxy, but he's still not enough of a concern that the EAST Kaioshin feels compelled to


do anything. That's not his job. The Kaioshin are only supposed to intervene when something threatens the universe.
1. Still I'd like that he would at least try to fight back instead of just using the same attack that failed prior. Gohan put up more of a fight than he did. Granted it got him nearly killed but he at least (nearly) died trying.

2. He clearly didn't think much of the Saiyans. Even when it was revealed Pui-Pui was a weakling he still was shocked, and he seemed to have forgotten he sensed Gohan as a SSJ2.

3. Boo wouldn't be a problem if he wasn't such a bitch and let them burst through the floors to get to the bottom of the ship like Vegeta suggested. And he was against going inside the ship. I mean, what in Kami's name does he expect him to do? Cave in and surrender?

4. Nope. It's all on Kaioshits. Vegeta may have murked up the situation even further by bringing up his own agenda into it but he was dealing with a blundering coward (Kaioshits) and a selfish idiot (Boo Saga Goku). If Kaioshits kept track of anything or actually told everyone of what was going on then he would know better not to let that grumpy douchebag on board... but then again he probably couldn't have stopped him from coming even if he tried.

5. We're not given an official reason for why he never bothered with Freeza. For all we know he could have just been bullshitting to make himself look cool (and Kami knows he's anything but..) or like I said, he simply didn't care.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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1. He just saw Gohan get one-shotted after getting tanked. Trying to knock Buu away was the best he could do.

2. He just really overestimated Pui Pui, because he can't sense him (also, he was only worried for Vegeta, and didn't know how strong he was). He remembers sensing Gohan, and never implies he forgot.

3. Vegeta wanted to blow up the ship, IIRC. That would have released Buu anyway, ruining the point of them being there (and they'd still have to deal with the minions the same way). He would have been at half power, but according to Kaioshin that still would've been more than enough to kill all of them (except SS3 Goku, of course).

4. Nonsense. This is literally all Vegeta's fault. No one could have really stopped him from coming, and more importantly they shouldn't be blamed for him being a moronic manchild and asshole. Again, no Vegeta = nothing goes wrong at all. Trying to blame this Kaioshin or Goku (well, before they actually fought) is ridiculous. Vegeta didn't "muck the situation up further" because everything was completely under control up to that point. Gohan was stronger than Dabra, but still losing due to his rusty skills. Any of the three of them could have jumped in and helped Gohan quickly defeat Dabra. Goku or Vegeta could even do it alone if Gohan lost. Babidi was in the next room with no more minions or tricks that would help him. It was pretty much over. But then Vegeta had to be a prick.

5. This is the same explanation Kami gives for not taking care of Piccolo (though there it makes zero sense, as he created Piccolo), and we know that he's the East Kaioshin, so it seems like a fairly logical leap. Freeza wasn't his business. He was a mortal world problem, and a north galaxy one at that. The Kaioshin only intervene when something threatens the whole universe, like Buu.

Also, Kaioshin is the only reason the entire universe wasn't destroyed by Buu.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sun Sep 07, 2014 5:39 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:1. He just saw Gohan get one-shotted after getting tanked. Trying to knock Buu away was the best he could do.

2. He just really overestimated Pui Pui, because he can't sense him (also, he was only worried for Vegeta, and didn't know how strong he was). He remembers sensing Gohan, and never implies he forgot.

3. Vegeta wanted to blow up the ship, IIRC. That would have released Buu anyway, ruining the point of them being there (and they'd still have to deal with the minions the same way). He would have been at half power, but according to Kaioshin that still would've been more than enough to kill all of them (except SS3 Goku, of course).

4. Nonsense. This is literally all Vegeta's fault. No one could have really stopped him from coming, and more importantly they shouldn't be blamed for him being a moronic manchild and asshole. Again, no Vegeta = nothing goes wrong at all. Trying to blame this Kaioshin or Goku (well, before they actually fought) is ridiculous. Vegeta didn't "muck the situation up further" because everything was completely under control up to that point. Gohan was stronger than Dabra, but still losing due to his rusty skills. Any of the three of them could have jumped in and helped Gohan quickly defeat Dabra. Goku or Vegeta could even do it alone if Gohan lost. Babidi was in the next room with no more minions or tricks that would help him. It was pretty much over. But then Vegeta had to be a prick.


5. This is the same explanation Kami gives for not taking care of Piccolo (though there it makes zero sense, as he created Piccolo), and we know that he's the East Kaioshin, so it seems like a fairly logical leap. Freeza wasn't his business. He was a mortal world problem, and a north galaxy one at that. The Kaioshin only intervene when something threatens the whole universe, like Buu.
1. Still don't like it.

2. He was obviously somewhat scared of Pui-Pui otherwise he wouldn't be worried sbout Vegeta beating him and take care of him himself (I seriously can't get how he wouldn't know Pui-Pui was a weakling). Also, how could he not have an of how strong Vegeta is? He obviously forgot that he sensed Gohan as SSJ2, as evident when Vegeta kills Pui-Pui, Goku tells them of how strong they are and he just then after recilects having a hard time restraining Gohan back at the Tenkaichi Budokai.

3. Kaioshin wasn't sure that would happen. He just wrote it off as a possibly, which makes no sense because he seems to understand very well of how it works and he's making all these wild assumptions.

4. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Vegeta come basically because Goku let him? And like you said, Vegeta did try to step in but Goku wouldn't let him. In fact, why didn't Kaioshits step in and do something?

5. Kami did help out in a way as he did have Mr. Popo train Goku plus he was there when Piccolo jr. entered to the TB. Freeza was an universal threat. He oppressed and killed millions from various planets yet he did nothing to help nor did he seem to care despite knowing he was an unstoppable force.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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2. Vegeta insisted on fighting Pui Pui. Kaioshin doesn't have much control in this situation, with Gohan and Goku there. How dies that imply he forgot? If anything, it implies the opposite.

3. He seems pretty sure of it, actually. Plus, even if he didn't know, it's always better to be cautious.

4. Again, Kaioshin had no control of the situation. He told the Saiyans that he wanted to gang up before and they just brushed him off, and insisted on solo matches.

5. He didn't do anything during Daimao's rampage. No, Freeza wasn't a universal threat. He was just another pirate, operating almost exclusively in the northern galaxy.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Doctor. wrote:but if we include non-canon stuff, then Broly takes this easily :lol:
Same here.

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RandomGuy96 wrote:2. Vegeta insisted on fighting Pui Pui. Kaioshin doesn't have much control in this situation, with Gohan and Goku there. How dies that imply he forgot? If anything, it implies the opposite.

3. He seems pretty sure of it, actually. Plus, even if he didn't know, it's always better to be cautious.

4. Again, Kaioshin had no control of the situation. He told the Saiyans that he wanted to gang up before and they just brushed him off, and insisted on solo matches.

5. He didn't do anything during Daimao's rampage. No, Freeza wasn't a universal threat. He was just another pirate, operating almost exclusively in the northern galaxy.
2. So you agree he's a bitch? And he was questioning to himself how they can be so strong.

3. I specifically remember him saying he was afraid that it might happen. He wasn't 100% certain it would and even so, it doesn't make sense at all.

5. Pirates aren't cold-hearted sadistic tyrannical killers who conquer and sell planets. As it stands, him not helping is either just a plothole or Kaioshits being a selfish dick given Freeza had a reputation as an unstoppable force. I mean, the Saiyans and all that wasn't Kaio-sama's business but he still helped them out and like I said, Kami was there when Piccolo jr. came into the picture.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Kaoishin isn't really any dumber than anyone else in Dragonball.

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DBZAOTA482 wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:2. Vegeta insisted on fighting Pui Pui. Kaioshin doesn't have much control in this situation, with Gohan and Goku there. How dies that imply he forgot? If anything, it implies the opposite.

3. He seems pretty sure of it, actually. Plus, even if he didn't know, it's always better to be cautious.

4. Again, Kaioshin had no control of the situation. He told the Saiyans that he wanted to gang up before and they just brushed him off, and insisted on solo matches.

5. He didn't do anything during Daimao's rampage. No, Freeza wasn't a universal threat. He was just another pirate, operating almost exclusively in the northern galaxy.
2. So you agree he's a bitch? And he was questioning to himself how they can be so strong.

3. I specifically remember him saying he was afraid that it might happen. He wasn't 100% certain it would and even so, it doesn't make sense at all.

5. Pirates aren't cold-hearted sadistic tyrannical killers who conquer and sell planets. As it stands, him not helping is either just a plothole or Kaioshits being a selfish dick given Freeza had a reputation as an unstoppable force. I mean, the Saiyans and all that wasn't Kaio-sama's business but he still helped them out and like I said, Kami was there when Piccolo jr. came into the picture.
2. He was questioning how Vegeta can be that strong, to so easily dispatch such an opponent in his base form, because he thought Pui Pui was special. He wasn't.

3. I remember the opposite. Got a quote that would resolve this?

5. No, they are; just without the "planet" part. Freeza is a pirate. A very powerful one in space, but a pirate nonetheless. Him not helping is no more of a plot hole than Kami not killing off the Red Ribbon Army. Kami only helped against Jr for whatever reason, while ignoring Daimao. If anything Kaioshin comes out looking better in this comparison, since he intervened with Buu (he's the only reason the series can even happen by the way), who threatened to destroy the universe (his domain), while Kami ignored Daimao, who threatened to destroy the Earth (Kami's domain).
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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RandomGuy96 wrote:
DBZAOTA482 wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:2. Vegeta insisted on fighting Pui Pui. Kaioshin doesn't have much control in this situation, with Gohan and Goku there. How dies that imply he forgot? If anything, it implies the opposite.

3. He seems pretty sure of it, actually. Plus, even if he didn't know, it's always better to be cautious.

4. Again, Kaioshin had no control of the situation. He told the Saiyans that he wanted to gang up before and they just brushed him off, and insisted on solo matches.

5. He didn't do anything during Daimao's rampage. No, Freeza wasn't a universal threat. He was just another pirate, operating almost exclusively in the northern galaxy.
2. So you agree he's a bitch? And he was questioning to himself how they can be so strong.

3. I specifically remember him saying he was afraid that it might happen. He wasn't 100% certain it would and even so, it doesn't make sense at all.

5. Pirates aren't cold-hearted sadistic tyrannical killers who conquer and sell planets. As it stands, him not helping is either just a plothole or Kaioshits being a selfish dick given Freeza had a reputation as an unstoppable force. I mean, the Saiyans and all that wasn't Kaio-sama's business but he still helped them out and like I said, Kami was there when Piccolo jr. came into the picture.
2. He was questioning how Vegeta can be that strong, to so easily dispatch such an opponent in his base form, because he thought Pui Pui was special. He wasn't.

3. I remember the opposite. Got a quote that would resolve this?

5. No, they are; just without the "planet" part. Freeza is a pirate. A very powerful one in space, but a pirate nonetheless. Him not helping is no more of a plot hole than Kami not killing off the Red Ribbon Army. Kami only helped against Jr for whatever reason, while ignoring Daimao. If anything Kaioshin comes out looking better in this comparison, since he intervened with Buu (he's the only reason the series can even happen by the way), who threatened to destroy the universe (his domain), while Kami ignored Daimao, who threatened to destroy the Earth (Kami's domain).
2. No, he was questioning the strength of all three Saiyans. And why would he make a big deal over Pui-Pui? Even if he knew nothing about him, he should have known he wasn't much the moment he started making a big deal over living on a planet 10x Earth's gravity or hell, just from his showcasing of speed which everyone else could easily follow but him. Yep, he's totally dense.

3. I don't have a specific reference point but on every version I've read or watched had him write it off as a possiblity. Either way, it's bullshit.

5. No, they aren't. That's like generalizing all thugs as bad people who do bad things simply because they can. And helping out against Majin Boo doesn't make Kaioshits look better at all because Majin Boo was something that threatened him personally since he wanted to destroy all creation. Red Ribon Army and Piccolo Daimao wanted nothing more than world conquest so Kami didn't have to get involved since he knew earth's special force was capable of stopping them. Freeza, on the other hand, was a force that Kaioshits knew no one around him could possibly touch but simpy did nothing about it.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Post by TheKingOfKamehamehas » Tue Sep 09, 2014 12:55 am

rereboy wrote:
TheKingOfKamehamehas wrote:I think Yajirobie is pretty useless and is worse than Chaozu which is pretty easy to beat. At least Mr.Satan has done some really important things and without him Videl never would happen... All he ever did was cut off Vegeta's tail and he was a coward whenever it came to fighting. I also can't call on Yamucha because I love him and Gohan because he used to be my favorite character.
Yajirobe gave Goku assistance after being beaten by Piccolo Daimao which probably saved his life and carried him all the way to Karin, which allowed Goku to eventually Defeat Piccolo Daimao and save Earth from his rule. Not only that, but he also intervened in the Saiyan arc and cut Vegeta's tail, making him revert back to regular size, saving the gang and probably the entire Earth.

Therefore, his contributions are directly linked to the salvation of Earth on two separate occasions. That's a lot more than Chaotzu has done.

And as a character he is pretty fun and a joy to watch.
I guess that is true... It is decided for me Chaotzu is there worse then. He never really added much strength to the characters and when he did well...he was pretty much shit....
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Post by dae428 » Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:41 pm

FoolsGil wrote:When you say worst character, do you mean characters that you just hate, or bad guys that if they were never born, would have made the universe a better place. If it's the latter, King Cold obviously.
I totally agree here. I mean the guy was pretty much a re-skin of Freeza's second form and unlike Freeza, he didn't really do anything of note of despite being supposedly stronger than his son. There was never really even a reason for King Cold to exist in the first place. Sure his defeat shows just how powerful Trunks is, but why does that matter when Freeza was already there as a super mechanized cyborg that was improved through technology ala Tao Pai Pai. He's plays no role towards anything because he's just so completely overshadowed by Freeza.

The same can be said for Pamput in the 22nd Budokai Tenkaichi. Pamput played some sort of role in explaining to the reader just how Goku had exceeded human limits. But we already saw that with King Chappa who had apparently won the Tenkaichi Budokai without getting hit once. And what a coincidence, Pamput looks just like a smaller, younger King Chappa.

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:53 am

Doctor. wrote:but if we include non-canon stuff, then Broly takes this easily :lol:
Broli won't be so bad if they didn't made him so lame and his reasons for hating Goku were not so lazy. Broli should have stay dead after Movie 8, Movie 10 and 11 should have been original villains. Bio Broli is one of the worst characters ever in my opinion. He's ugly, lame and unoriginal at the worst. Even as his own character, he still sucks in my opinion. He's just a melting walking dog shit and he dies in the worst cliches in the book.
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Post by Luso Saiyan » Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:08 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:Broli won't be so bad if they didn't made him so lame and his reasons for hating Goku were not so lazy.
That's like saying Broly wouldn't be so bad if he didn't exist. Which I agree with.

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