Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
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shinmaru
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by shinmaru » Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:34 pm
Valerius Dover wrote:Yeah, 19 and 20 both give off a really creepy vibe, and I would've preferred to have them be around longer, rather than get shoved aside for more Androids.
19 really works as creepy due to his limited dialog and unsettling smile he has at times. Also, I think his dub voice works really well for this clown-like character.
I like the desing for 19 and 20 It's very refreshing for my eyes.
And the dubbed 19's Squeaky voice irritates me,
Japanese sounds more serieus and gives the character a darker feel.
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by Kid Buu » Sat Nov 01, 2014 2:53 am
TheUltimateVegito wrote:He gets major points for being one of the few characters to actually beat Goku without losing in a rematch.
Yup, him and that Cell Jr.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
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by Kamiccolo9 » Sat Nov 01, 2014 3:20 am
Kid Buu wrote:TheUltimateVegito wrote:He gets major points for being one of the few characters to actually beat Goku without losing in a rematch.
Yup, him and that Cell Jr.
And Jackie Chun.
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by RandomGuy96 » Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:38 pm
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Kid Buu wrote:TheUltimateVegito wrote:He gets major points for being one of the few characters to actually beat Goku without losing in a rematch.
Yup, him and that Cell Jr.
And Jackie Chun.
And Pure Buu.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by JulieYBM » Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:29 pm
I always liked that in contrast to his less human exterior the character was always played with a sense of arrogance by Hori Yukitoshi. Hori didn't play him as an automaton at first, but somewhat guarded and silent. Then, as he battled Son Gokuu and Vegeta, little by little, Artificial Human Number 19's hubris began to show. It was a nice go, while it lasted.
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by Kid Buu » Tue Nov 04, 2014 9:49 pm
I wasn't sure if Pure Buu counted since Goku still killed him later. There's also Vegeta, and maybe Raditz.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
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by Saiga » Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:30 am
Ginyu might count as well. Cell would, excluding GT. Though if you include GT you've got Rild.
I'm re-watching Dragon Ball GT in full on
my blog. Check it out if you're interested in my thoughts on the series as I watch through it!
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by DBZAOTA482 » Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:28 am
Don't forget Tenshinhan (even though he got lucky that time).
fadeddreams5 wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about
your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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by DBZAOTA482 » Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:31 am
Kid Buu wrote:I wasn't sure if Pure Buu counted since Goku still killed him later. There's also Vegeta, and maybe Raditz.
I think Raditz lost since it was both Goku AND Piccolo's battle... but then Gohan aided them so it doesn't technically count as a win.
fadeddreams5 wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about
your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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by Saiga » Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:00 am
DBZAOTA482 wrote:Don't forget Tenshinhan (even though he got lucky that time).
This was people who beat Goku without losing in a rematch, Tenshinhan doesn't qualify.
I'm re-watching Dragon Ball GT in full on
my blog. Check it out if you're interested in my thoughts on the series as I watch through it!
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by DBZAOTA482 » Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:42 pm
Saiga wrote:DBZAOTA482 wrote:Don't forget Tenshinhan (even though he got lucky that time).
This was people who beat Goku without losing in a rematch, Tenshinhan doesn't qualify.
The 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai was the only time they ever.... wait never mind. I forgot about the 23rd Budokai.
fadeddreams5 wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about
your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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