does instant transmission = teleportation?

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Re: does instant transmission = teleportation?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:24 pm

Angelus wrote:The only difference between Goku's IT and Kibito's I'm is that Goku can teleport to a targeted "ki signature/s" while Kibito can teleport directly to a location.
It also appears to be easier to learn.
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Re: does instant transmission = teleportation?

Post by Herms » Mon Dec 08, 2014 1:11 am

Darkprince410 wrote:As for the Kaiou scene, he mentions that he knows where it's from, and that he could have taught it to Goku had he asked. At the same time he was saying that, you see him seemingly teleport around rapidly, as if he were using it as well.
Again, that's all dub-only. In Japanese, Kaio just says that Teleportation is the Yardratian's special technique, and must be very convenient. He doesn't say he could have taught Goku the technique, and there's nothing to imply he's teleporting. It's just the standard cartoony "moving quickly" effect.
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Re: does instant transmission = teleportation?

Post by Darkprince410 » Mon Dec 08, 2014 1:50 am

Herms wrote:
Darkprince410 wrote:As for the Kaiou scene, he mentions that he knows where it's from, and that he could have taught it to Goku had he asked. At the same time he was saying that, you see him seemingly teleport around rapidly, as if he were using it as well.
Again, that's all dub-only. In Japanese, Kaio just says that Teleportation is the Yardratian's special technique, and must be very convenient. He doesn't say he could have taught Goku the technique, and there's nothing to imply he's teleporting. It's just the standard cartoony "moving quickly" effect.
I know. It's just that a lot of people try to throw around that his "teleporting" at the same time that he was talking about it is evidence that he knew the technique, regardless of whether the dialogue said as much or not.

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Re: does instant transmission = teleportation?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:44 am

Hey Herms, what does Kaioshin say about his teleporting ability when he says that he'll use it to go to Namek to get the Dragon Balls before the fight with Pure Buu? It's on the same page where the old Kaioshin is saying that they can't use the Dragon Balls because it goes against nature. The wording on the scan I saw seems to indicate that his ability only applies when going to and from the Kaioshin planet. I don't recall it ever being used otherwise in the series, either.
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Re: does instant transmission = teleportation?

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:23 am

Kamiccolo9 wrote:Hey Herms, what does Kaioshin say about his teleporting ability when he says that he'll use it to go to Namek to get the Dragon Balls before the fight with Pure Buu? It's on the same page where the old Kaioshin is saying that they can't use the Dragon Balls because it goes against nature. The wording on the scan I saw seems to indicate that his ability only applies when going to and from the Kaioshin planet. I don't recall it ever being used otherwise in the series, either.
Huh? Kibitoshin uses it to go from the Kaioshin Realm to that grassy planet, then from said planet to Namek. So wouldn't that indicate otherwise, regardless of wording?
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Re: does instant transmission = teleportation?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:27 am

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Kamiccolo9 wrote:Hey Herms, what does Kaioshin say about his teleporting ability when he says that he'll use it to go to Namek to get the Dragon Balls before the fight with Pure Buu? It's on the same page where the old Kaioshin is saying that they can't use the Dragon Balls because it goes against nature. The wording on the scan I saw seems to indicate that his ability only applies when going to and from the Kaioshin planet. I don't recall it ever being used otherwise in the series, either.
Huh? Kibitoshin uses it to go from the Kaioshin Realm to that grassy planet, then from said planet to Namek. So wouldn't that indicate otherwise, regardless of wording?
I had forgotten about the grassy planet.
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Re: does instant transmission = teleportation?

Post by i'mfuckingevil » Wed Dec 24, 2014 4:29 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote: Moving really fast.
that answer doesn't make sense to me. the animation of Gohan "moving really fast" is EXACTLY the same as Goku using instant transmission.

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Re: does instant transmission = teleportation?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Dec 24, 2014 5:31 pm

i'mfuckingevil wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote: Moving really fast.
that answer doesn't make sense to me. the animation of Gohan "moving really fast" is EXACTLY the same as Goku using instant transmission.
And the animation of Nappa powering up is EXACTLY the same as a SSJ2, complete with sparks.
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Re: does instant transmission = teleportation?

Post by Herms » Wed Dec 24, 2014 7:31 pm

i'mfuckingevil wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote: Moving really fast.
that answer doesn't make sense to me. the animation of Gohan "moving really fast" is EXACTLY the same as Goku using instant transmission.
That's more a problem with the animation than anything else; all of the examples you cited where other characters seem to teleport are only in the anime. Still, even in the manga, when Goku first shows off his teleportation skills Vegeta initially just dismisses it as Goku using "super speed" to simply make it look like he's teleporting. He changes his tune once Goku proves that he's been to Kame House and back in just an instant, but I guess that does show that it can be hard to tell whether someone's teleporting or merely moving extremely fast, even for the characters in the story. Regardless, the entire point of that scene to to show that Goku's teleportation technique is an amazing new ability completely different than anything he could do before, and is not something any of the other characters can pull off. Then when Cell learns the technique it's treated as a big deal, and later in the Boo arc Kibito's form of teleporting is said to be his special skill, and everyone likewise makes a big deal of it when Boo gains the technique. The series consistently depicts all forms of teleportation as a unique skill only held by a select few characters, even if other characters might seem as if they're teleporting when they move super fast.
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