Petition for the rest of the Toonami dub post-RTD Edition

[clutchins]

I think he meant "get the TV broadcast recordings", which are floating around on unmentionable websites.

I know that, but optimally you would want VHS recordings from people that you could rip yourself. Or FUNi could just monetize what they have...

I mean even if this were just a limited-run item with like 5000 copies printed I wouldn't care. It would be a long-overdue, worthy addition to my massive DBZ collection of DVDs and Blu-rays. And I miss hearing Dale Kelly narrate the Cell Games, too!

[Dbzfan94]

I think he meant "get the TV broadcast recordings", which are floating around on unmentionable websites.

I know that, but optimally you would want VHS recordings from people that you could rip yourself. Or FUNi could just monetize what they have...

I mean even if this were just a limited-run item with like 5000 copies printed I wouldn't care. It would be a long-overdue, worthy addition to my massive DBZ collection of DVDs and Blu-rays. And I miss hearing Dale Kelly narrate the Cell Games, too!

I'm pretty sure there are still (illegal) sites that actually have the censored versions.
I'm not really allowed to say which ones, but it's pretty much your only option as your chsnces for this getting released is pretty much nonexistent

[clutchins]

I'm pretty sure there are still (illegal) sites that actually have the censored versions. I'm not really allowed to say which ones, but it's pretty much your only option as your chsnces for this getting released is pretty much nonexistent

I know what site you're talking about, and I'm pretty sure that they use the old incomplete single DVDs from the early 2000s that somebody encoded poorly years and years ago. Those DVDs are not the version seen on TV nor do they have all the NEPs and they are also missing some of the recaps/narration by Dale Kelly in the Ginyu and Cell Games sagas.

[Dbzfan94]

Yeah you're pretty much shit outta luck with that. What you're wishing for is so specific that it's reaaalllly unlikely you'd get anywhere to be honest.

It's like me asking for DBZ Kai with the Faulconer music. I would like to see it happen, but I know it wont.

[clutchins]

Yeah you're pretty much shit outta luck with that. What you're wishing for is so specific that it's reaaalllly unlikely you'd get anywhere to be honest.

It's like me asking for DBZ Kai with the Faulconer music. I would like to see it happen, but I know it wont.

It's not like asking for DBZ Kai with the Faulconer music because that doesn't even exist. This is infinitely more likely than that because the Toonami version actually exists. It's something that Funimation likely has in their vault since it only stopped airing in 2008. They could easily pull it out, dust it off, and throw it on DVDs exactly like they did with the Saban Ocean dub. This isn't some holy grail of DBZ we're asking for here. Funimation could likely get away with releasing it now in 2015 before Toei decides to actually do something with their film masters like give it a proper Blu-ray restoration/remaster in the next couple of years after Kai finishes up.

[Dbzfan94]

Yeah you're pretty much shit outta luck with that. What you're wishing for is so specific that it's reaaalllly unlikely you'd get anywhere to be honest.

It's like me asking for DBZ Kai with the Faulconer music. I would like to see it happen, but I know it wont.

It's not like asking for DBZ Kai with the Faulconer music because that doesn't even exist. This is infinitely more likely than that because the Toonami version actually exists. It's something that Funimation likely has in their vault since it only stopped airing in 2008. They could easily pull it out, dust it off, and throw it on DVDs exactly like they did with the Saban Ocean dub. This isn't some holy grail of DBZ we're asking for here. Funimation could likely get away with releasing it now in 2015 before Toei decides to actually do something with their film masters like give it a proper Blu-ray restoration/remaster in the next couple of years after Kai finishes up.

Right, but the Ocean dub fanbase are different fans the Funimation fanbase. Two completely different dubs. The edited Toonami dub, as much nostalgia I have for it, is pretty much obsolete. Hell, some people consider the redubbed uncut Z obsolete now with Kai. The Orange Brick dub is pretty much 80-90% the same as the Toonami dub to begin with, so why would Funimation waste money to send out yet another release, one that's censored no less.

If you want the edited dub that barely, I'm sure the singles are still around online somewhere. And last I remember when Z was on Toonami it was uncut.

[clutchins]

Yeah you're pretty much shit outta luck with that. What you're wishing for is so specific that it's reaaalllly unlikely you'd get anywhere to be honest.

It's like me asking for DBZ Kai with the Faulconer music. I would like to see it happen, but I know it wont.

It's not like asking for DBZ Kai with the Faulconer music because that doesn't even exist. This is infinitely more likely than that because the Toonami version actually exists. It's something that Funimation likely has in their vault since it only stopped airing in 2008. They could easily pull it out, dust it off, and throw it on DVDs exactly like they did with the Saban Ocean dub. This isn't some holy grail of DBZ we're asking for here. Funimation could likely get away with releasing it now in 2015 before Toei decides to actually do something with their film masters like give it a proper Blu-ray restoration/remaster in the next couple of years after Kai finishes up.

Right, but the Ocean dub fanbase are different fans the Funimation fanbase. Two completely different dubs. The edited Toonami dub, as much nostalgia I have for it, is pretty much obsolete. Hell, some people consider the redubbed uncut Z obsolete now with Kai. The Orange Brick dub is pretty much 80-90% the same as the Toonami dub to begin with, so why would Funimation waste money to send out yet another release, one that's censored no less.

If you want the edited dub that barely, I'm sure the singles are still around online somewhere. And last I remember when Z was on Toonami it was uncut.

The only uncut part of DBZ we saw on Toonami was the Ultimate Uncut version of episodes 1-67 with the Nathan Johnson score in 2005-2006. Everything else was edited for content, even the Funimation dub (Mr. Satan, anyone?). And just because some people think that it's obsolete doesn't make it go away. Some people think that the theatrical Star Wars Original Trilogy is obsolete, namely the creator, but that doesn't mean that they magically disappear because of that. The fact that Kai is a better voiced, more accurately translation retelling of DBZ doesn't erase the previous dubs for it from the annals of anime history.

[Dbzfan94]

You're missing my overall point. My point is that the fanbase for the original edited/censored dub with Dale Kelly is an even smaller and more niche part of the fanbase than the Ocean dub fans are. I don't think there'd be enough people who'd buy a censored release, considering 1) there's so many other releases already 2) all those releases are uncut.
In 2015, censorship on home releases is pretty much unheard of, and tbh I think it should stay that way. The Ocean dub having a censored release is excuseable as it never even had an uncut version to begin with, but that's not the case with the FUNi dub.

[clutchins]

You're missing my overall point. My point is that the fanbase for the original edited/censored dub with Dale Kelly is an even smaller and more niche part of the fanbase than the Ocean dub fans are. I don't think there'd be enough people who'd buy a censored release, considering 1) there's so many other releases already 2) all those releases are uncut.
In 2015, censorship on home releases is pretty much unheard of, and tbh I think it should stay that way. The Ocean dub having a censored release is excuseable as it never even had an uncut version to begin with, but that's not the case with the FUNi dub.

While I've disagreed or had to correct most of what you said, you have a valid point there. I understand the differences between the Ocean and OG Funi dubs in terms of why they're loved by fans. I still think there's an opportunity here that is unlike any other window we've seen for DBZ for Funimation to actually put this out on DVD and not conflict with a lot of other releases. I'm basically saying if they should do it, it should be now while the timing is good.

Censorship on home video releases is not dead, however. Yu-Gi-Oh, Monster Rancher, and Ronin Warriors have all been saved by licensing companies in the past few years and two of the three have both uncut and edited releases (Discotek has the Samurai Troopers license and is planning to release a separate Ronin Warriors set, as far as we know). In fact Yu-Gi-Oh had an uncut release for a short time that was distributed by Funimation I believe, but they actually canned it in favor of the edited 4Kids version! Not surprising when you consider 4Kids was behind it, but the fact remains that there is still room for an edited version if enough people want it. And that's what I want to accomplish with my petition.

[TheBalishChannel]

I think the issue that most people are failing to realize is that you're not asking for just the edited version of the dub. Those were released officially on VHS and they're not only easy to track down but they're relatively cheap. What Clutchins and the folks who signed the petition want is the version of Dragon Ball Z that aired on Toonami from episode 54 and onwards.

To date, there has not been a single release that includes all of the recaps/next episode previews, which is where most of the value would come from in a set like Clutchins has described. The dub would only be edited by association because the recaps and next episode previews for much of the Ginyu Saga only fit that specific version of the product. Not only that, but like many have stated earlier, most of Dale Kelly's narrations for the Cell Games Saga were replaced on the VHS's and DVD's and thus the only way to get them all is if you were lucky enough to have recorded them from TV when they aired many years ago. Plus the alternate scores for the two specials and Movie 4, etc etc.

I don't ever think FUNimation would actually listen to a petition like this, even if they were to get a million signatures. Clearly most of the people who were involved with the original dub are ashamed of their old work; just listen to some of the more recent interviews with Chris Sabat. Aside from that, Toonami supposedly aired the "original master tape" for their April Fool's stunt back in 2012, in which they aired the episode "Save the World." However, Dale Kelly was not present in neither the recap nor the closing narration which tells me that FUNimation still has a grudge against Dale (which is the reason his narrations were removed from the VHS and DVD releases in the first place), or they simply lost the tapes altogether. Either scenario, however, points to the fact that we will probably never see a set like this actually become a reality.

I would honestly love to see a release like this myself, perhaps more than anyone else, but I've come to terms with the fact that something like this probably isn't in any realm of possibility at this point. Instead, we need a group of passionate fans to collaborate and collect all of the material that only ever aired on television and hopefully then try to restore it as faithfully as possible to the original product.

[Dbzfan94]

I think the issue that most people are failing to realize is that you're not asking for just the edited version of the dub. Those were released officially on VHS and they're not only easy to track down but they're relatively cheap. What Clutchins and the folks who signed the petition want is the version of Dragon Ball Z that aired on Toonami from episode 54 and onwards.

To date, there has not been a single release that includes all of the recaps/next episode previews, which is where most of the value would come from in a set like Clutchins has described. The dub would only be edited by association because the recaps and next episode previews for much of the Ginyu Saga only fit that specific version of the product. Not only that, but like many have stated earlier, most of Dale Kelly's narrations for the Cell Games Saga were replaced on the VHS's and DVD's and thus the only way to get them all is if you were lucky enough to have recorded them from TV when they aired many years ago. Plus the alternate scores for the two specials and Movie 4, etc etc.

I don't ever think FUNimation would actually listen to a petition like this, even if they were to get a million signatures. Clearly most of the people who were involved with the original dub are ashamed of their old work; just listen to some of the more recent interviews with Chris Sabat. Aside from that, Toonami supposedly aired the "original master tape" for their April Fool's stunt back in 2012, in which they aired the episode "Save the World." However, Dale Kelly was not present in neither the recap nor the closing narration which tells me that FUNimation still has a grudge against Dale (which is the reason his narrations were removed from the VHS and DVD releases in the first place), or they simply lost the tapes altogether. Either scenario, however, points to the fact that we will probably never see a set like this actually become a reality.

I would honestly love to see a release like this myself, perhaps more than anyone else, but I've come to terms with the fact that something like this probably isn't in any realm of possibility at this point. Instead, we need a group of passionate fans to collaborate and collect all of the material that only ever aired on television and hopefully then try to restore it as faithfully as possible to the original product.

I never looked at it that way honestly. I don't know how I missed that lol.
I still wouldn't get this if it ever came out because even as a part of the "Toonami Generation" I honestly prefer Kyle Hebert as the narrator. However i would love see the Z NEPs released in some format.

[theoriginalbilis]

Restating what others have noted before myself: Fan-collaborations/restorations would be about the only way you'd be able to get that EXACT Toonami TV version.

We'd have a better chance getting the Canadian-produced Westwood/Blue Water English dubs on home video than those versions. And that ain't a whole lotta chance.

[DBGod]

We'd have a better chance getting the Canadian-produced Westwood/Blue Water English dubs on home video than those versions. And that ain't a whole lotta chance.

Defiantly not. The Canadian material has just about little to no chance in ever seeing the light of day again.

[clutchins]

We'd have a better chance getting the Canadian-produced Westwood/Blue Water English dubs on home video than those versions. And that ain't a whole lotta chance.

Defiantly not. The Canadian material has just about little to no chance in ever seeing the light of day again.

I have to agree. There is definitely no chance for the Westwood Ocean/Blue Water dubs to ever see a DVD release when Funimation has already licensed their dub out to most of, if not all those territories.

[Man-Child]

Hell I'd love to get such a set, if only to hear Sabat's Drummond impression over and over. Sadly it seems unlikely given that the same cast long redubbed those episodes for the better, and they've been the official versions for many successful releases now. But who knows? Maybe the RTD edition did well enough for Funimation to consider a continuation down the line.

[The Tori-bot]

Why would you want a butchered version of the show with terrible voices? Even Funimation has been ashamed of it for years now (see: replacing said terrible voices for Orange Bricks, not releasing the edited version past VHS). The Ocean cast/music is the only reason the Rock the Dragon Edition exists. It's a quantifiably different English version of the show beyond just the censorship. If DBZ had had a consistent voice cast from beginning to end in the US, the idea of putting the edited version out on DVD in 2013 would have been laughed at then dismissed out of hand.

Heck, I'd be willing to bet money that the RTD set wouldn't even have existed if "It's over 9,000" hadn't become a thing.

[Kakacarrottop]

Why would you want a butchered version of the show with terrible voices? Even Funimation has been ashamed of it for years now (see: replacing said terrible voices for Orange Bricks, not releasing the edited version past VHS). The Ocean cast/music is the only reason the Rock the Dragon Edition exists. It's a quantifiably different English version of the show beyond just the censorship. If DBZ had had a consistent voice cast from beginning to end in the US, the idea of putting the edited version out on DVD in 2013 would have been laughed at then dismissed out of hand.

Heck, I'd be willing to bet money that the RTD set wouldn't even have existed if "It's over 9,000" hadn't become a thing.

The 53 episodes and 3 movies on that set are what made DBZ huge in the English speaking world, they would have eventually been reissued even if "over 9000" wasn't a thing.

[NitroEX]

The popularity of the meme had nothing to do with it IMO especially since by that point many fans were unaware that Sabat didn't start it (he was constantly asked to say the line at cons). I think Funimation just released the RTD edition to cash in on one last DVD set before moving on to Blu Ray for good. They still had the old Saban footage lying around and simply got one more use out of it without having to spend any serious money. The release might have slightly benefited their public image amongst fans of the Ocean dub but the truth of the matter is if it wasn't for already owning that footage they wouldn't care to release any Ocean related DBZ material ever again. If they did care about that section of the fanbase they'd have acquired the Westwood dub years ago but that would require actual time, effort and money being spent, something the RTD set did not.

I am grateful for the RTD set btw. I'm just looking at the situation realistically.

[ShadowDude112]

Hey, am I in the year 2000? I could have sworn this was 2015.

[Valerius Dover]

Back in the day, everyone was rightfully complaining about the edits and amateur voice work. I don't understand why anyone would actually want this niche release.