Should Toriyama's word be taken as absolute truth?

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Re: Should Toriyama's word be taken as absolute truth?

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Re: Should Toriyama's word be taken as absolute truth?

Post by MCDaveG » Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:09 am

About Dragon Ball, yes, it is his world and it's a fun story to begin with. Tough some worshipers of their inner Dragon Ball sanctum might have a problem.
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Re: Should Toriyama's word be taken as absolute truth?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:16 am

Oh, as for the thread:

Toriyama back then: Yes
Toriyama now: No
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Should Toriyama's word be taken as absolute truth?

Post by Man-Child » Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:27 am

I personally don't, as consistency was never the strongest aspect of this franchise in the first place, but everyone's free to feel how they want about updates from the creator himself.

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Re: Should Toriyama's word be taken as absolute truth?

Post by baneofdemon22 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:53 am

I'm not sure if "absolute truth" is the term I'd use. If it contradicts something that he wrote, I take it with a grain of salt; otherwise, I accept it. I've found a lot of what he's said in interviews to be great! If it is something that he's adamant about, then I definitely accept it. I just don't know if he makes stuff up because he doesn't want to disappoint fans, and act like he doesn't care enough to have an answer. Some of the things he said seemed like he really thought them through so I write them into my "canon."

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Re: Should Toriyama's word be taken as absolute truth?

Post by Dyno » Wed Mar 18, 2015 12:02 pm

Yes. But only statements that don't contradict anything.

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Re: Should Toriyama's word be taken as absolute truth?

Post by XanatosVanBadass » Wed Mar 18, 2015 12:59 pm

I honestly don't care what Toriyama says in interviews. IMHO, it's only canon of it's mentioned in a manga or anime. Otherwise, I treat it like just an opinion.

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Re: Should Toriyama's word be taken as absolute truth?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:11 pm

Yes. Unless they contradict the manga, according to him (at least in one interview):
Akira Toriyama wrote:First, a word of warning: I am a considerably arbitrary creator, so I’ve imagined what happens after for these three for the first time just now. The possibility that I have made mistakes about the characters’ backgrounds is great. Proceed with caution.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Should Toriyama's word be taken as absolute truth?

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:17 pm

Dragon Ball is Toriyama's universe, and he has privilege to tinker with however he pleases. And pretty much whatever he says goes, as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: Should Toriyama's word be taken as absolute truth?

Post by Freeza Soldier #156 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:22 pm

I honestly don't pay much attention to interviews. Now, if it pops up in a Toriyama manga or movie, then yes.

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Re: Should Toriyama's word be taken as absolute truth?

Post by rereboy » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:22 pm

In regards to continuity, unless there's blatant and significant continuity issues, I don't see why we would disagree with Toriyama.

However, just because he is adding stuff to the continuity, it doesn't mean that we have to like it and that we can't just ignore it.

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Re: Should Toriyama's word be taken as absolute truth?

Post by Chronic_mcduffin » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:24 pm

For me, it's his series, so what he says goes. That being said, we should all look at it with a sense of humor like Toriyama seems to be doing.
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Re: Should Toriyama's word be taken as absolute truth?

Post by Big Momma » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:27 pm

Chronic_mcduffin wrote:For me, it's his series, so what he says goes. That being said, we should all look at it with a sense of humor like Toriyama seems to be doing.
This is how I feel, pretty much. It's his series, and if he says something is a certain way, then I'll go with it. If I don't like it then...meh, I'm not gonna get upset over it. Not to the point where I'd want to take control of his own series away from him.
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Re: Should Toriyama's word be taken as absolute truth?

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:33 pm

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Chronic_mcduffin wrote:For me, it's his series, so what he says goes. That being said, we should all look at it with a sense of humor like Toriyama seems to be doing.
This is how I feel, pretty much. It's his series, and if he says something is a certain way, then I'll go with it. If I don't like it then...meh, I'm not gonna get upset over it. Not to the point where I'd want to take control of his own series away from him.
That's a really good way to look at it. :thumbup:

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Re: Should Toriyama's word be taken as absolute truth?

Post by TheGreatness25 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:34 pm

I'm just curious what he's ever said that creates a huge continuity problem for the manga or anime. I know that he's forgetful, but I feel like his interviews are very PC and he just gives that type of answer that doesn't directly answer anything. And questions such as, "Who is your favorite character?" are not really screwing with the continuity. Maybe I missed something he said about who's the most powerful, etc.?

And as for the movies, I feel like they're slowly unraveling the Dragon Ball world as I know it all on their own.

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Re: Should Toriyama's word be taken as absolute truth?

Post by AvatarReiko » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:35 pm

So if AT said that Bulma could defeat SSJ3 Goku in a fight, would you take it as absolute truth. No. Because it is just old fashion common sense and logic.

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Re: Should Toriyama's word be taken as absolute truth?

Post by Big Momma » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:39 pm

AvatarReiko wrote:So if AT said that Bulma could defeat SSJ3 Goku in a fight, would you take it as absolute truth. No. Because it is just old fashion common sense and logic.
Like Rocketman's example, that's an incredibly huge exaggeration.


But, just to humor you; If he could also bullshit some reason for her to do so, some machine to incapacitate him or drain his Ki, then meh. Sure.
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Re: Should Toriyama's word be taken as absolute truth?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:40 pm

AvatarReiko wrote:So if AT said that Bulma could defeat SSJ3 Goku in a fight, would you take it as absolute truth. No. Because it is just old fashion common sense and logic.
Bulma's bitchslap did hurt Base Goku in BOG though. It's possible.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

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Re: Should Toriyama's word be taken as absolute truth?

Post by Wilderness » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:41 pm

Rocketman wrote:If Toriyama said Bulma had a penis, would you believe it?
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Re: Should Toriyama's word be taken as absolute truth?

Post by Chronic_mcduffin » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:50 pm

Wilderness wrote:
Rocketman wrote:If Toriyama said Bulma had a penis, would you believe it?
Irrelevant.

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Also, I'm sure Kame Sen'nin would have said something when she flashed him without any underwear on.
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