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Re: Lowest point in the series?

Post by Kakacarrottop » Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:27 pm

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Lord Beerus wrote:Other syndication companies should have picked up the show then, instead of letting it get cancelled for no good reason. Obviously it either wasn't popular enough to be invested into in their eyes, or maybe they just weren't flat out interested.
Saban dropped FUNimation and the show.

Cartoon Network picked it up.

I don't know what to tell you. You're literally describing what happened and how it became successful right back to me.
Okay then, one last question. Why did Saban Entertainment stop financing the show? Surely if they saw how good DBZ was doing despite it's poor timeslot, the should have pumped more money into the show to give it a better time slot. Saban practically handed Funimation a multi-million dollar franchise for themselves to keep. If they had stuck to their guns with Dragon Ball Z, Saban would still be in business. Oh, what could have been. :P
Uhh Saban Entertainment still is in business, just under a different name (Saban Brands). I'm pretty sure they ditched Dragon Ball Z since they were leaving the cartoon syndication business in the late 90s to focus on the Fox kids programming block or something. Although for all we know the reason could have just been the syndication deal ending. Honestly i would have preferred for them to be involved with the show for a bit longer, just so i could hear more of the Shuki Levy score.
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Re: Lowest point in the series?

Post by Pgirts » Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:17 pm

It's a toss up between the Android arc and the Majin Buu arc for me.

I've never been a fan of introducing time travel to stories, and the Androids themselves are pretty bland antagonists. Cell in his first form livens things up quite a bit, though. He's an interesting villain that felt very different from anyone else prior to his introduction. Sneaky and sly. Once he transforms though, he becomes pretty bland, too.

The Majin Buu arc just introduced way too many ideas, and frankly, the only one of them I liked was Babidi possessing characters and turning them against one another. It's a really cool premise, but I don't think it was ever fully taken advantage of.

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Re: Lowest point in the series?

Post by Dayspring » Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:33 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
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Lord Beerus wrote:Other syndication companies should have picked up the show then, instead of letting it get cancelled for no good reason. Obviously it either wasn't popular enough to be invested into in their eyes, or maybe they just weren't flat out interested.
Saban dropped FUNimation and the show.

Cartoon Network picked it up.

I don't know what to tell you. You're literally describing what happened and how it became successful right back to me.
Okay then, one last question. Why did Saban Entertainment stop financing the show? Surely if they saw how good DBZ was doing despite it's poor timeslot, the should have pumped more money into the show to give it a better time slot. Saban practically handed Funimation a multi-million dollar franchise for themselves to keep. If they had stuck to their guns with Dragon Ball Z, Saban would still be in business. Oh, what could have been. :P
This was back when every other non-cartoon show aimed at boys was an Americanized sentai show like Power Rangers, all of which were cheaper to license and produce by Saban because of how complicated licensing anime (and cartoons in general) is. Their business model was one that existed to sell toys, something that wasn't working well with their anime franchises. Because of this, they dropped all anime that wasn't a joint venture. Saban easily made the right call.
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Re: Lowest point in the series?

Post by Doctor. » Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:50 pm

Either the 22nd Budokai or the Boo arc, for me. I'm aware the first one is an odd pick, but I found it really uninteresting besides the death which I consider a part of the next arc.

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Re: Lowest point in the series?

Post by Rozay » Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:30 am

I gotta go with the popular option of Garlic Jr. Man, that was BORING. Definitely lowest point. I also don't really like Turles' movie and Bio-Broly.

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Re: Lowest point in the series?

Post by ZazamPow » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:22 am

In the anime at least, the Red Ribbon Army arc. Not the whole thing, just from the end of the 21st Budokai all the way until Tao appeared. The filler episodes in the beginning were alright, Silver being the ultimate badass was the highlight and Pilaf and Chi-Chi showing up was cool, but everything that actually happened was eh. Then Muscle Tower, the ultimate snorefest -- oh wait, I was wrong, the pirate treasure and General Blue stuff is even more boring. It almost killed Dragon Ball for me in fact, my first attempt to watch the series ended there, and I only tried again a year or two later and managed to stick it out. Then there's the crossover which I ended up actually skipping, although I probably would have enjoyed it more if I was a fan of Dr. Slump.

It's actually kinda funny to think about the disparity in quality between the anime and manga at this point. Whereas the RRA in the manga is considered by many to be the best arc in the whole franchise, in the anime, many consider it the worst. That's saying a lot considering how many arcs Dragon Ball has.
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Re: Lowest point in the series?

Post by Vijay » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:40 am

Mid-Buu Arc

Episode 243-267

The series sorta "decayed/rot" with ZERO focus. GT-ish feel was slightly evident. Like the downhill of everything.

It wasn't until episode 268 onwards that DBZ felt 'fresh/alive once again" with Goku & Vegeta's return. Took a nose-dive once again with fillers inside Buu's body, but it did continue to kickass with Kid Buu stuffs.

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Re: Lowest point in the series?

Post by Attitudefan » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:58 pm

-The Fake Namek filler
-SSJ Trunks and Goten (hated it when I first saw it, hate it now)
-GT
-Android/Cell arc (it dragged on way too much, introduced too many SSJs, and was overall boring with uninspired villains. Shame, cause Trunks' debut with Freeza is absolutely one of my favourite parts of the series and was such a strong introduction to a new arc. The Android/Cell arc just felt that there was no direction and Toriyama was really unsure with what to do with the story and the villains. Compare Trunks' debut to the end of Cell, and it's like night and day).
Mid-Buu Arc

Episode 243-267

The series sorta "decayed/rot" with ZERO focus. GT-ish feel was slightly evident. Like the downhill of everything.

It wasn't until episode 268 onwards that DBZ felt 'fresh/alive once again" with Goku & Vegeta's return. Took a nose-dive once again with fillers inside Buu's body, but it did continue to kickass with Kid Buu stuffs.
I agree. I'll also say the Cell games, with the constant Mr Satan annoyances detracting and ruining tension, and there not being really any fight other than Goku vs Cell. It was boring. I don't have much love for that part.
In the anime at least, the Red Ribbon Army arc. Not the whole thing, just from the end of the 21st Budokai all the way until Tao appeared. The filler episodes in the beginning were alright, Silver being the ultimate badass was the highlight and Pilaf and Chi-Chi showing up was cool, but everything that actually happened was eh. Then Muscle Tower, the ultimate snorefest -- oh wait, I was wrong, the pirate treasure and General Blue stuff is even more boring. It almost killed Dragon Ball for me in fact, my first attempt to watch the series ended there, and I only tried again a year or two later and managed to stick it out. Then there's the crossover which I ended up actually skipping, although I probably would have enjoyed it more if I was a fan of Dr. Slump.
The manga parts of this are much better! I use to hate the Red Ribbon Army until I rewatched Dragonball from the beginning; I was surprised how much I ended up thinking that it was much better than I remembered it as, which was that it was boring. The Red Ribbon Army arc is actually really fun! :D
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Re: Lowest point in the series?

Post by EXBadguy » Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:06 pm

Anime/Manga series: The Buu saga(the saga itself is too stupid) and the Black Star saga

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Re: Lowest point in the series?

Post by shinmaru » Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:51 am

Gotenks was the lowest point for me.
I didn' t like the idea of fusion back then and the fight wasn't serious enough.

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Re: Lowest point in the series?

Post by TJVY » Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:53 am

It's all downhill after Majin Vegeta's sacrifice in my opinion, Kid Buu was the Majin Arc's saving grace.
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Re: Lowest point in the series?

Post by DragonBoxZTheMovies » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:33 pm

Vijay wrote:Mid-Buu Arc

Episode 243-267

The series sorta "decayed/rot" with ZERO focus. GT-ish feel was slightly evident. Like the downhill of everything.

It wasn't until episode 268 onwards that DBZ felt 'fresh/alive once again" with Goku & Vegeta's return. Took a nose-dive once again with fillers inside Buu's body, but it did continue to kickass with Kid Buu stuffs.
Yeah, I'd agree with this. While there are some fun moments, I do feel the birth of Gotenks through to the end of Vegetto is pretty weak. I really love the climax to the Buu arc though, with the Genki Dama and everything.

I also think there's a small patch in the Freeza arc where things decline for a little bit. Even though he's up there as one of my favourite characters, I think this story arc starts feeling a little bit tedious when Piccolo finally shows up and starts fighting Freeza. I still can't get over how little time Freeza's third form was around for! It's always a bit of a relief when we finally see Freeza reach his final form.

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Re: Lowest point in the series?

Post by MarCas92 » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:52 pm

Wow. I'm surprised that a lot of people dislike the Red Ribbon Army Arc. I consider that to be one of the high, if not highest point in the series.

Lowest points for me:
In the Manga: The Boo Arc.
The Anime: Garlic Junior and Bulma/Kuririn/Gohan's Trip to Namek
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Re: Lowest point in the series?

Post by shinmaru » Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:24 pm

MarCas92 wrote:Wow. I'm surprised that a lot of people dislike the Red Ribbon Army Arc. I consider that to be one of the high, if not highest point in the series.
I watch the Buu arc over the Red Ribbon arc, but I don't see RR arc as the lowest point because the series just started and still needs to grow.

Vijay wrote:Mid-Buu Arc

Episode 243-267

The series sorta "decayed/rot" with ZERO focus. GT-ish feel was slightly evident. Like the downhill of everything.

It wasn't until episode 268 onwards that DBZ felt 'fresh/alive once again" with Goku & Vegeta's return. Took a nose-dive once again with fillers inside Buu's body, but it did continue to kickass with Kid Buu stuffs.
You described as I see it. The fights weren't very interesting and serious anymore.

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Re: Lowest point in the series?

Post by Attitudefan » Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:29 pm

I hated the RR arc when I watched it on tv. I thought it was boring and dragged on way too long. But I when I got the dvd sets for Dragonball, I went in apprehensively but I ended up loving the arc. It was fun, had great comedy, cool fights, and much more. It also didn't last as long as I remembered.
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Re: Lowest point in the series?

Post by ABED » Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:52 pm

The RR arc is enjoyable, but other than Tao Pai Pai and arguably Blue, Goku runs through everyone in the RRA. Sometimes it's badass, other times I want to see the hero struggle.
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Re: Lowest point in the series?

Post by jcogginsa » Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:55 pm

ABED wrote:The RR arc is enjoyable, but other than Tao Pai Pai and arguably Blue, Goku runs through everyone in the RRA. Sometimes it's badass, other times I want to see the hero struggle.
He kinda lucked out with Metallic

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Re: Lowest point in the series?

Post by Gaffer Tape » Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:06 am

I'd say it's a toss up between either the period beginning with Piccolo confronting the Artificial Humans on the islands and ending when Cell announces his game and the period beginning with Gotenks and Piccolo escaping the Room of Spirit and Time and the battle relocating to the Kaioshin World. There's just so much interminably long, mostly pointless, mostly uninteresting fighting going on in both of those scenarios.
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Re: Lowest point in the series?

Post by ABED » Mon Mar 30, 2015 8:14 am

That 17 vs. Piccolo fight was badass, though.
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Re: Lowest point in the series?

Post by ParkerAL » Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:31 pm

ZazamPow wrote:Then Muscle Tower, the ultimate snorefest -- oh wait, I was wrong, the pirate treasure and General Blue stuff is even more boring.
Oddly enough, those sections had some of my favorite moments in the entire early part of the series. From Goku battling giant a Terminator android, to Murasaki's goofy antics, to the pirate robot Goku and Krillin face off against in an underwater base, the Red Ribbon Army Arc had a little of everything. I personally really enjoy it for all the twists and turns it took. Overall, it felt like a much grander adventure compared to what came before.
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