Can Cell potentially achieve Golden/God/Ultimate Form?

[Berserker1921]

I actually created a topic asking this question. And like here got the similar answers. Cell has a little bit of everyone in him. I am sure if he actually trained the same amount of time frieza did. He would have become way stronger. Possibly almost whis level. One his namekian cells give him regenerative advantages. So he can heal quicker and take more damage. Frieza cells would give him the untapped potential and awaken the power in those cells. And lastly his Saiyan cells would get him stronger after every defeat or major strain on his body. Heck all he would have to do is go somewhere blow himself up a few hundred times during those four months and thanks to all those cells and the other z warriors. He would have been 10x the power of Freeza's.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Why? It is sated in the movie that he Freeza is not a God or something?

There is just no mention about Freeza having anything to do with gods. All we learn is that Freeza was born a genius & never had to train in his life, started a 4-month training to to bring forth all of his dormant powers, and after becoming much stronger in his True Form (almost as strong as God Goku, but still weaker), he discovered his Golden Form, and went to Earth right away after that before mastering the form, which is why he had stamina issues.

In that case that one can match a God without God ki is disproven(what a surprise )

What are you talking about? Goku, and many others, have been surpassing gods since the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai...

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Why? It is sated in the movie that he Freeza is not a God or something?

There is just no mention about Freeza having anything to do with gods. All we learn is that Freeza was born a genius & never had to train in his life, started a 4-month training to to bring forth all of his dormant powers, and after becoming much stronger in his True Form (almost as strong as God Goku, but still weaker), he discovered his Golden Form, and went to Earth right away after that before mastering the form, which is why he had stamina issues.

In that case that no one can match a God without God ki is disproven(what a surprise )

What are you talking about? Goku, and many others, have been surpassing gods since the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai...

I know that myself too. But that does prove that Golden Freeza has nothing to do with God energy? His aura really suggests that he has some sort of unusual Ki. And for surpassing Gods since the Buu saga... They (the Super Saiyan) has been sated to stronger than the Kaioshin, who is the God of Creation.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I know that myself too. But that does prove that Golden Freeza has nothing to do with God energy? His aura really suggests that he has some sort of unusual Ki.

There is nothing indicating that Freeza became a god. Not even a hint. It's completely baseless to assume that he is a god, it's like assuming that Pilaf is a god because nothing proves otherwise. Freeza having a new cool unique aura means nothing, the Super Saiyans have a cool unique aura and they aren't gods.

And for surpassing Gods since the Buu saga...

Not Boo arc, since the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai arc.

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I know that myself too. But that does prove that Golden Freeza has nothing to do with God energy? His aura really suggests that he has some sort of unusual Ki.

There is nothing indicating that Freeza became a god. Not even a hint. It's completely baseless to assume that he is a god, it's like assuming that Pilaf is a god because nothing proves otherwise. Freeza having a new cool unique aura means nothing, the Super Saiyans have a cool unique aura and they aren't gods.

And for surpassing Gods since the Buu saga...

Not Boo arc, since the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai arc.

Hm... It's definitely not the same. Freeza's aura is very unique just like the Saiyan God's(the red haired version). It's not even light-like it's more consistent and such. But you're right, nothing suggests that Golden Freeza is a God, but the Battle of Gods massively implied the God energy's supremacy over the normal one. And now we have Freeza in a form that is slightly stronger than Goku's Godly powered form(Super Saiyan God SS) in the beginning of their fight. It has been stated that the strongest known fusion(Vegetto) isn't enough against Beerus, Goku admitted that the power of the Super Saiyan God was unimaginable for him before, still Freeza with a normal huge power can surpass him?


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Battle of Gods massively implied the God energy's supremacy over the normal one.

Where was that implied?

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Battle of Gods massively implied the God energy's supremacy over the normal one.

Where was that implied?

So it wasn't by you? In the English dub Goku says that he realized that there is a power that he could never reach on his own... A God's presence can not be sensed... Vegetto was discarded... King Kai stating Beerus is in a different dimension of power... Beerus waiting for a Super Saiyan God... Goku when matching Beerus in power and not being sensed... Beerus stating that even if Goku would raise his battle power he won't match him in the original dub, etc.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

All these mean that Beerus is insanely strong, and nothing even hints that Beerus is so strong because he is a god.

As for Super Saiyan God, Beerus wanted to fight him because of the dream he had that the Super Saiyan God would have been a rival for him, which also has nothing to do with it being a godly form.

The only unique thing that the gods have is the fact that mortals can't meassure their power, which has nothing to do with how strong they are. Dende, the current Kami of Earth, is weaker than Mr. Satan...

Also, dubs mean nothing.

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All these mean that Beerus is insanely strong, and nothing even hints that Beerus is so strong because he is a god.

As for Super Saiyan God, Beerus wanted to fight him because of the dream he had that the Super Saiyan God would have been a rival for him, which also has nothing to do with it being a godly form.

The only unique thing that the gods have is the fact that mortals can't meassure their power, which has nothing to do with how strong they are. Dende, the current Kami of Earth, is weaker than Mr. Satan...

Also, dubs mean nothing.

So that means Golden Freeza can be sensed by anyone, but Goku and Vegeta can be not, yet they are matched in power? It's like you'd say that Super Saiyan God Goku could match Beerus' 70% and Goku was sensed, but Beerus wasn't. But Goku wasn't sensed either in his God form.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

So that means Golden Freeza can be sensed by anyone, but Goku and Vegeta can not, yet they are matched in power?

Exactly.

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So that means Golden Freeza can be sensed by anyone, but Goku and Vegeta can not, yet they are matched in power?

Exactly.

Pfff.... That makes very little sense. But I must admit it's possible.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Pfff.... That makes very little sense.

Why? Beerus', Whis', and God Goku's ki can't be meassured because they are gods, not because they are insanely strong. The Kamis, Kaios, Kaioshins, their assistants, and any other gods should have the same trait, regardless of their battle power.

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Pfff.... That makes very little sense.

Why? Beerus', Whis', and God Goku's ki can't be meassured because they are gods, not because they are insanely strong. The Kamis, Kaios, Kaioshins, their assistants, and any other gods should have the same trait, regardless of their battle power.

But Kaioshins, Kaios and Kamis can be sensed. Goku wanted to ask Kibito Kai about Beerus and wanted to use IT, which needs to have a source of Ki.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

But Kaioshins, Kaios and Kamis can be sensed. Goku wanted to ask Kibito Kai about Beerus and wanted to use IT, which needs to have a source of Ki.

Kuririn said that he can't meassure God Goku's battle power, not that he can't sense it at all (like with the Artificial Humans), so it seems that gods can be sensed by mortals, but not easily, and they can't be meassured.

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But Kaioshins, Kaios and Kamis can be sensed. Goku wanted to ask Kibito Kai about Beerus and wanted to use IT, which needs to have a source of Ki.

Kuririn said that he can't meassure God Goku's battle power, not that he can't sense it at all (like with the Artificial Humans), so it seems that gods can be sensed by mortals, but not easily, and they can't be meassured.

That's a Dub thing.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

But Kaioshins, Kaios and Kamis can be sensed. Goku wanted to ask Kibito Kai about Beerus and wanted to use IT, which needs to have a source of Ki.

Kuririn said that he can't meassure God Goku's battle power, not that he can't sense it at all (like with the Artificial Humans), so it seems that gods can be sensed by mortals, but not easily, and they can't be meassured.

That's a Dub thing.

It isn't.

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That's a Dub thing.

It isn't.

It is... In the original Krillin says that Goku's battle power totally disappeared, not that he can not measure it.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

That's a Dub thing.

It isn't.

It is... In the original Krillin says that Goku's battle power totally disappeared, not that he can not measure it.

Every sub I've seen has Kuririn saying that he can't meassure Goku's battle power, or that Goku's battle power became immeasurable, or that he can't tell how strong Goku is, or other similar lines.

[SSJsambosoldier]

I know that myself too. But that does prove that Golden Freeza has nothing to do with God energy? His aura really suggests that he has some sort of unusual Ki.

There is nothing indicating that Freeza became a god. Not even a hint. It's completely baseless to assume that he is a god, it's like assuming that Pilaf is a god because nothing proves otherwise. Freeza having a new cool unique aura means nothing, the Super Saiyans have a cool unique aura and they aren't gods.

And for surpassing Gods since the Buu saga...

Not Boo arc, since the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai arc.

Hm... It's definitely not the same. Freeza's aura is very unique just like the Saiyan God's(the red haired version). It's not even light-like it's more consistent and such. But you're right, nothing suggests that Golden Freeza is a God, but the Battle of Gods massively implied the God energy's supremacy over the normal one. And now we have Freeza in a form that is slightly stronger than Goku's Godly powered form(Super Saiyan God SS) in the beginning of their fight. It has been stated that the strongest known fusion(Vegetto) isn't enough against Beerus, Goku admitted that the power of the Super Saiyan God was unimaginable for him before, still Freeza with a normal huge power can surpass him?


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I hope they get an explanation for his insane boost and ability to keep up with Gods (Goku, Vegeta) with normal Ki

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Hm... It's definitely not the same. Freeza's aura is very unique just like the Saiyan God's(the red haired version). It's not even light-like it's more consistent and such. But you're right, nothing suggests that Golden Freeza is a God, but the Battle of Gods massively implied the God energy's supremacy over the normal one. And now we have Freeza in a form that is slightly stronger than Goku's Godly powered form(Super Saiyan God SS) in the beginning of their fight. It has been stated that the strongest known fusion(Vegetto) isn't enough against Beerus, Goku admitted that the power of the Super Saiyan God was unimaginable for him before, still Freeza with a normal huge power can surpass him?


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I hope they get an explanation for his insane boost and ability to keep up with Gods (Goku, Vegeta) with normal Ki

They won't bother with it... I would rather believe that Golden Freeza was a God too. But there are many convincing facts that he wasn't.