Can Cell potentially achieve Golden/God/Ultimate Form?

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Can Cell potentially achieve Golden/God/Ultimate Form?

Post by SSJsambosoldier » Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:12 pm

Given the fact that cell has Freeza's genes, Saiyan and namekian capabilities and had proven to never have trained also (the human absorbtion thing doesn't count)

Do you think cell can be capable of achieving an Ultimate Evolution? I think if so his potential would me gargantuan considering he was thousands of time naturally stronger than Frieza himself and never trained and also has access to saiyan and namekian properties that could boost that.

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Re: Can Cell potentially achieve Golden/God/Ultimate Form?

Post by rereboy » Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:19 pm

Following the latest movie logic, I don't see why he couldn't. Just in potential alone he is an even bigger beast than Freeza, and if he finds a way to achieve his own version of golden Freeza and cumulate it with his own version of SSJ, his power would be insane.

The only thing stopping him from evolving further is needing 5 saiyans for the ritual of SSJG... But if his Cell Jrs could act as such, well then... Game Over.

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Re: Can Cell potentially achieve Golden/God/Ultimate Form?

Post by Lord Beerus » Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:09 pm

Unless Cell absorbs Golden Freeza, no.

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Re: Can Cell potentially achieve Golden/God/Ultimate Form?

Post by Confidence Matters » Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:15 pm

rereboy wrote:Following the latest movie logic, I don't see why he couldn't. Just in potential alone he is an even bigger beast than Freeza, and if he finds a way to achieve his own version of golden Freeza and cumulate it with his own version of SSJ, his power would be insane.

The only thing stopping him from evolving further is needing 5 saiyans for the ritual of SSJG... But if his Cell Jrs could act as such, well then... Game Over.
This.

Except the Cell jr.s aren't pure of heart, much less Cell himself, so no SSJ God.

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Re: Can Cell potentially achieve Golden/God/Ultimate Form?

Post by Low Tone G » Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:32 pm

I'd say that it might be really difficult for Cell to do it. Yeah, he does have Freeza's DNA, and yeah, he is partially Saiyan, but really he isn't a pure being,(I'm not talking about his heart) he is a mixt of different beings. Saiyans can not become Gods on their owns, and being that Cell isn't pure of heart (righteous), his Saiyan cells might not allow him to ascend Golden/God state even if with Freeza's potential he should be able to do so. But being that it's very massively implied that Super Saiyans can maintain God power after they enter in possession of it(we already know that Vegeta was also able to absorb the godhood), I'd say that Cell might be able to become a God-like being as he has some Saiyanish aura, but the issue is not as simple is it seems.
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Re: Can Cell potentially achieve Golden/God/Ultimate Form?

Post by rereboy » Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:48 pm

Low Tone G wrote:I'd say that it might be really difficult for Cell to do it. Yeah, he does have Freeza's DNA, and yeah, he is partially Saiyan, but really he isn't a pure being,(I'm not talking about his heart) he is a mixt of different beings. Saiyans can not become Gods on their owns, and being that Cell isn't pure of heart (righteous) he Saiyan cells would not allow him to ascend Golden/God state even if with Freeza's potential he should be able to do so. But being that it's very massively implied that Super Saiyans can maintain God power after they enter in possession of it(we already know that Vegeta was also able to absorb the godhood), I'd say that Cell might be able to become a God-like being as he has some Saiyanish aura, but the issue is not as simple is it seems.
He is a mix, but he isn't a random mix. He was engineered to be the perfect mix and retain all of the advantages of the different species.

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Re: Can Cell potentially achieve Golden/God/Ultimate Form?

Post by Low Tone G » Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:55 pm

rereboy wrote:
Low Tone G wrote:I'd say that it might be really difficult for Cell to do it. Yeah, he does have Freeza's DNA, and yeah, he is partially Saiyan, but really he isn't a pure being,(I'm not talking about his heart) he is a mixt of different beings. Saiyans can not become Gods on their owns, and being that Cell isn't pure of heart (righteous) he Saiyan cells would not allow him to ascend Golden/God state even if with Freeza's potential he should be able to do so. But being that it's very massively implied that Super Saiyans can maintain God power after they enter in possession of it(we already know that Vegeta was also able to absorb the godhood), I'd say that Cell might be able to become a God-like being as he has some Saiyanish aura, but the issue is not as simple is it seems.
He is a mix, but he isn't a random mix. He was engineered to be the perfect mix and retain all of the advantages of the different species.
That's right but Dr. Gero more than likely wasn't prepared for issues like God energy when he set his computer to produce Cell, he did not have enough information about divine beings. So even if Freeza's DNA would allow him to become Golden(or such) his Saiyan potential is limited(as far as we know Saiyan need the ritual to become Gods, this isn't disproven yet), not mention that he is not of a righteous heart.
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Re: Can Cell potentially achieve Golden/God/Ultimate Form?

Post by Dayspring » Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:26 pm

Low Tone G wrote:
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Low Tone G wrote:I'd say that it might be really difficult for Cell to do it. Yeah, he does have Freeza's DNA, and yeah, he is partially Saiyan, but really he isn't a pure being,(I'm not talking about his heart) he is a mixt of different beings. Saiyans can not become Gods on their owns, and being that Cell isn't pure of heart (righteous) he Saiyan cells would not allow him to ascend Golden/God state even if with Freeza's potential he should be able to do so. But being that it's very massively implied that Super Saiyans can maintain God power after they enter in possession of it(we already know that Vegeta was also able to absorb the godhood), I'd say that Cell might be able to become a God-like being as he has some Saiyanish aura, but the issue is not as simple is it seems.
He is a mix, but he isn't a random mix. He was engineered to be the perfect mix and retain all of the advantages of the different species.
That's right but Dr. Gero more than likely wasn't prepared for issues like God energy when he set his computer to produce Cell, he did not have enough information about divine beings. So even if Freeza's DNA would allow him to become Golden(or such) his Saiyan potential is limited(as far as we know Saiyan need the ritual to become Gods, this isn't disproven yet), not mention that he is not of a righteous heart.
I disagree. Cell is a clone, so anything the DNA's donors can do, he should be able to do at least as efficiently.

Given how Saiyans are constantly being shown to adapt to, well everything really, I see Vegeta reaching blue-hair simply because he sees Goku do it and the reason Goku can retain some SSJ God strength is because he's a gifted fighter who was exposed to it. So while I agree that red-hair SSJ God is questionable, I see the blue-hair version as being viable to Cell.
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Re: Can Cell potentially achieve Golden/God/Ultimate Form?

Post by rereboy » Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:36 pm

Low Tone G wrote:
That's right but Dr. Gero more than likely wasn't prepared for issues like God energy when he set his computer to produce Cell, he did not have enough information about divine beings. So even if Freeza's DNA would allow him to become Golden(or such) his Saiyan potential is limited(as far as we know Saiyan need the ritual to become Gods, this isn't disproven yet), not mention that he is not of a righteous heart.
I think that, since he is a perfect mix, everything a saiyan, or Freeza, or a warrior namekian can do, he also can. It doesn't really matter if Dr. Gero or the computer knew what the full potential of each of those races was, they just made sure the potential and advantages from the DNA of the sources was available and present in Cell. If Cell can't get SSJG, it's simply because he would require the ritual and can't do it alone, nor is he pure of heart.

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Re: Can Cell potentially achieve Golden/God/Ultimate Form?

Post by SSJsambosoldier » Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:46 pm

Confidence Matters wrote:
rereboy wrote:Following the latest movie logic, I don't see why he couldn't. Just in potential alone he is an even bigger beast than Freeza, and if he finds a way to achieve his own version of golden Freeza and cumulate it with his own version of SSJ, his power would be insane.

The only thing stopping him from evolving further is needing 5 saiyans for the ritual of SSJG... But if his Cell Jrs could act as such, well then... Game Over.
This.

Except the Cell jr.s aren't pure of heart, much less Cell himself, so no SSJ God.

But cell is PURE EVIL. Does that count or do you have to be pure good to be Ssj God?

I didn't even think about merging the forms like goku and vegeta did with SSJ And SSJG, I could see how SSJG wouldn't be plausible but given golden/ultimate form is powerful as it is, cells possibly insane natural potential, and if he could combine it with even just SSJ... It's pretty scary although Cell would have much worse disadvantage at maintaining the golden form as Frieza did due to strain if he didn't master both golden and Ssj

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Re: Can Cell potentially achieve Golden/God/Ultimate Form?

Post by SSJsambosoldier » Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:48 pm

Low Tone G wrote:I'd say that it might be really difficult for Cell to do it. Yeah, he does have Freeza's DNA, and yeah, he is partially Saiyan, but really he isn't a pure being,(I'm not talking about his heart) he is a mixt of different beings. Saiyans can not become Gods on their owns, and being that Cell isn't pure of heart (righteous), his Saiyan cells might not allow him to ascend Golden/God state even if with Freeza's potential he should be able to do so. But being that it's very massively implied that Super Saiyans can maintain God power after they enter in possession of it(we already know that Vegeta was also able to absorb the godhood), I'd say that Cell might be able to become a God-like being as he has some Saiyanish aura, but the issue is not as simple is it seems.



I think cell mentioned how Dr Gero made some traits more dominant than others, Hence why cell bears the strongest resemblance to Freeza's race with the Bio armor, physical features like an orb like dome, facial markings and such.

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Re: Can Cell potentially achieve Golden/God/Ultimate Form?

Post by Duo » Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:57 pm

Everything is speculation, but given Cell's history of replicating Namekian regeneration, Super Saiyan style power ups, and Freeza transformations (however triggered by other means), it's hard to imagine he's restricted from anything those races ended up being capable of later. If Cell were to, in some insane alternate timeline, end up becoming "good" like Vegeta, I see no reason he couldn't become Super Saiyan God or replicate Golden Freeza. He could probably merge with Namekians in their own style as well. Cell has retroactively become a much bigger bullet that was dodged than we ever knew.

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Re: Can Cell potentially achieve Golden/God/Ultimate Form?

Post by dbzfan7 » Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:30 pm

Of course. Literally anything is possible now. I honestly am not shocked by much no more.
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Re: Can Cell potentially achieve Golden/God/Ultimate Form?

Post by TJVY » Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:35 am

Cell's my favourite villain and I would hate to see him degraded by achieving a more powerful form only to be beaten again, I think he is capable of becoming as strong as the other characters though whether it be through Frieza's or his saiyan cells.
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Re: Can Cell potentially achieve Golden/God/Ultimate Form?

Post by Bacon Skittles » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:47 am

Golden form? Yes
God? Most likely not since 5 pure hearted Saiyans are required. Unless he can gain powers from partially absorbing somebody (like a arm.) maybe if Cell got a hold of post RoF Goku's cells then maybe he could?

Let's not forget that he already went Super Saiyan 2. Cell could certainly go Super Saiyan 3 as well. However a Super Saiyan 3 Folden Cell's ki would probably drain quite fast.

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Re: Can Cell potentially achieve Golden/God/Ultimate Form?

Post by Low Tone G » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:58 am

First of all, Freeza's Golden Evolution is a God state or not? Because if it isn't than the Saiyan traits could allow him to reach that power even if Cell is not pure of heart.

It isn't disproven that Saiyans can only become Gods if they are righteous, so the Saiyan traits would possibly hinder Cell to become Golden if that's a goldy power.
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Re: Can Cell potentially achieve Golden/God/Ultimate Form?

Post by Bacon Skittles » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:07 am

That's like saying that it hasn't been disproven if there is a Super Human God form. Shenron said its only achievable by having 5 pure heart Saiyans. Now the only way I could see Cell achieving SSG is if he impregnated himself with 5 Cell Jrs. Fetuses in Dragon Ball are apparently pure hearted. Plus they don't need to be fully Saiyan to make the God form. So MAYBE is Cell was brought back and knocked himself up, then MAYBE he could get the God form. The biggest problem with this is how he would find out how to achieve God form and the Golden form in the first place.

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Re: Can Cell potentially achieve Golden/God/Ultimate Form?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:15 am

Low Tone G wrote:First of all, Freeza's Golden Evolution is a God state or not?
It isn't.
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Re: Can Cell potentially achieve Golden/God/Ultimate Form?

Post by Pantalones » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:20 am

Super Saiyan God wouldn't be a possibility for Cell unless he somehow changed a lot from the Cell we know. But I don't think there's any indication that Freeza's "Ultimate Evolution"/Golden form has anything to do with godly ki, or that Cell's Saiyan traits would somehow prevent it from happening if it was. The rule is "to become Super Saiyan God you have to be a pure-hearted Saiyan and find 5 others to do the ritual," not "to be a Saiyan and obtain godly ki through any method, no matter how unrelated to the Super Saiyan God ritual, you have to be pure-hearted."

So yeah, I would think a "Golden Cell" would be within the realm of possibility. I'd hope his version of the form would cause him to lose the black "spots" all over his body, though--the Golden Cell pictures I've seen that were just an exact recolor (keeping the spots, just giving him Golden Freeza's color scheme instead of his normal one) looked pretty bad.

Of course, the rapid energy drain would be just as much of a downside for Cell as it was for Freeza... but if Cell got the kind of power increase from training that Freeza did, it wouldn't matter much because he'd wipe everyone out before his power drained too much anyway. He might not get stronger through training at the same rate as Freeza, though -- we know he brings out some of his dormant power with Super Saiyan-like transformations and near-death boosts just like the Saiyans do (when he powers up he has a Super Saiyan aura, and we see with "Super Perfect Cell" that he's capable of getting a SSj2 equivalent, and then there's the way he's able to imitate the bulked-up Super Saiyan form that Trunks used) so it's possible that some of the power he'd normally gain through training is already being brought out through those methods, and his training increases might be more gradual than Freeza's insane 4-month boost was as a result.

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Re: Can Cell potentially achieve Golden/God/Ultimate Form?

Post by Low Tone G » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:54 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Low Tone G wrote:First of all, Freeza's Golden Evolution is a God state or not?
It isn't.
Why? It is sated in the movie that he Freeza is not a God or something? In that case that one can match a God without God ki is disproven(what a surprise :eh: )
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