Would Dragon Ball Super borrow elements from GT?

[Scott]

Definitely SSJ4 design. Doesn't have to be next step from SSJ3, could as well be totally separate Super Ozaru line but the design is great and it fits the lore prefectly of higher Siyan transformation drawing from Ozaru powers in a hybrid form. Miles ahead in every sense from SSG or SSGSS.

Shadow Dragons were quite cool too, as well as the consequence for overusing the Dragon Balls.

Although i think the Supers Saiyan 4 design looks cool, i don't understand why it would look so different to the other Super Saiyan forms. I think it's a bit too much.

[Mystic Tien]

Definitely SSJ4 design. Doesn't have to be next step from SSJ3, could as well be totally separate Super Ozaru line but the design is great and it fits the lore prefectly of higher Siyan transformation drawing from Ozaru powers in a hybrid form. Miles ahead in every sense from SSG or SSGSS.

Shadow Dragons were quite cool too, as well as the consequence for overusing the Dragon Balls.

Although i think the Supers Saiyan 4 design looks cool, i don't understand why it would look so different to the other Super Saiyan forms. I think it's a bit too much.

Its design actually makes sense, as it actually looks like Oozaru, while all other designs are characters turning blonde with green eyes without any reason.

What about why it looks so differently, in the series itself it is hinted, and in GT Perfect Files, it is stated, that it is a different Super Saiyan Tranformation, related to Oozaru, so it is SSJ4 only in a name.

[voltlunok]

Definitely SSJ4 design. Doesn't have to be next step from SSJ3, could as well be totally separate Super Ozaru line but the design is great and it fits the lore prefectly of higher Siyan transformation drawing from Ozaru powers in a hybrid form. Miles ahead in every sense from SSG or SSGSS.

Shadow Dragons were quite cool too, as well as the consequence for overusing the Dragon Balls.

Although i think the Supers Saiyan 4 design looks cool, i don't understand why it would look so different to the other Super Saiyan forms. I think it's a bit too much.

It looks so different from super saiyan cause it wasn't actually supposed to be a super saiyan form. It was supposed to be something different but due to deadlines they shoved it under the super saiyan name. What it was supposed to be...we don't know buuuuuut if I were to take a guess...SSJ4, with how it's obtained and comes about and it's overall appearance, I think it was supposed to be a form of saiyan transformation lost to time, one where you have to tame the great ape, rein it in with your will. The SSJ4 form also feels like the great ape condensed, taking all that raw power and putting it into a suitable fighting form. The idea of it being a transformation lost to time also fits further when you realize it's elder kai who puts it into motion, as he is the only one who would be able to remember that it existed. To me SSJ4 is the zenith of individual saiyan power, it takes the best attributes of the saiyan's human and ape forms and condenses it into one perfect fighting form, While SSJG is the zenith of group saiyan power. But this is all speculation on what the form was supposed to be...we may never know what it was supposed to be but it is something fun to speculate about.

[Daimo-Rukiri]

GT if done correctly would have lasted a lot longer than a mere 64 episodes, wasn't there things that were scrapped due to ratings?
The shadow dragons would be cool to see in canon but hopefully better executed.

[voltlunok]

GT if done correctly would have lasted a lot longer than a mere 64 episodes, wasn't there things that were scrapped due to ratings?
The shadow dragons would be cool to see in canon but hopefully better executed.

Yes, GT was pretty much cancelled but given a certain number of episodes to finish. There was a lot of content cut and overall...it shows. Once you hit super 17 arc, everything starts feeling very rushed and there is little time to decompress from the events of the baby arc. While I do love GT, I definitely see this as one of it's larger flaws, everything was going well until S17 and then the plot train's brakes kinda...gave out. I still enjoy GT but I won't try and say it was perfect!

[Marco Polo]

GT if done correctly would have lasted a lot longer than a mere 64 episodes, wasn't there things that were scrapped due to ratings?
The shadow dragons would be cool to see in canon but hopefully better executed.

Yes, for example Bulma mentions SSJ5 at one point, but we never got to see that.

[voltlunok]

GT if done correctly would have lasted a lot longer than a mere 64 episodes, wasn't there things that were scrapped due to ratings?
The shadow dragons would be cool to see in canon but hopefully better executed.

Yes, for example Bulma mentions SSJ5 at one point, but we never got to see that.

I believe she mentions that as a joke...

[Turtle bits]

I at least might predict a somewhat similar scenario where the main group (who ever they consider this to be that is.) goes to explore the other universes in some way, so similar to the beginning arc of GT. Might not necessarily involve actual space ship traveling, but traveling through dimensions.

[Lord Beerus]

GT if done correctly would have lasted a lot longer than a mere 64 episodes, wasn't there things that were scrapped due to ratings?
The shadow dragons would be cool to see in canon but hopefully better executed.

Yes, for example Bulma mentions SSJ5 at one point, but we never got to see that.

I believe she mentions that as a joke...

Well, Goku jokingly mentioned the idea of reaching SSJ4 in Z, and... well... it became a thing. So you never know with Dragon Ball.

[Hellspawn28]

With the whole Super Saiyan God transformations we are getting, I doubt SSj5 will ever happen outside of being in Heroes.

[Dyno]

Except Heroes does not invent things, just re-uses the already existing.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Except Heroes does not invent things, just re-uses the already existing.

Tell that to Super Paikuhan.

Anyway, that's mostly a joke. Ignoring Super Paikuhan, they've only given characters new forms that already exist or utilize a characters displayed abilities to create a new merger. I certainly don't see them creating a new Super Saiyan state, especially in the middle of everything else that is going on.

[Dyno]

Don't see anything "created" in Super Paikuhan, he got his training under Dai Kaio and got his clothes... But yeah, I got the joke.

[Ss5Troten]

Spoiler:

Cause in all honesty, not everything Toriyama has been doing is 'fresh and new' he rehashes things too. GT also had some interesting elements to it that I'd like to see him play around with, just because someone uses elements from something doesn't mean they can't put their own spin on it.

True that he has rehash things before but they are rather minor when you compare to Toei with GT and DBZ Movie 1-13. In my opinion Toriyama handles story telling and characters better then Toei does. That's why Vegeta, Freeza, Cell and Buu have more personality, depth and more memorable compare to characters like Bojack, Super Yi Xing Long, Bebi, Super 17, Broli, Coola and several others if you ask me. Even Beerus felt fresh compare to the past movie villains since he had a original backstory and he had a good personality to him since he has a fun sense of humor. I'm not saying everything from Toriyama is amazing but critically speaking, he's better then the anime staff when it comes to handling Dragon Ball.

Freeza and Cell barely have any personality, and Kid Buu has none. In my opinion Baby is easily the best villain in terms of personality out of the whole franchise, who had his own motive and backstory. While all others killed and destroyed for the sake of it. Then again I never found DB/DBZ villains being interesting, for me they all seem pretty generic. I'd dare to say that Broly has more personality and backstory than most of them.

Beerus is pretty much the only villain who I find to be interesting, besides guys like Vegeta, Piccolo and Androids 17/18.

Spoiler:

What about rehashing things. Right here


He reused Buu's design for this guy.



Looks like Trunks.



Looks like Trunks as well.

While I agree that Buu had little to no personality, Freeza was a sociopath and a tyrant. This is a personality in its own. He had the confidence of a typical mass murderer. Though this is a major personality disorder, it's still personality and interesting as all hell. Cell in my opinion only showed personality as 1st imperfect form, very cold and yearning, in the same way 17 was but even more sinister because he wasn't even relatable in the way of having a human body. He's just an alien looking murderous robot hellbent on perfection. That's something to write your psych thesis about when you cut the robot part lol.

I like GT quite a bit because I was right around the age it was marketed toward I believe and I really bought into a continuation because I had a hard time accepting Dragon Ball as over haha.

PS Besides Toccio I NEVER considered that about the others haha, he has rehashed quite a bit! I'm very excited to see how DBS turns out.

[LuckyCat]

There won't be any borrowing, for two reasons. First, no one with any business sense is going to use bits of a series like GT whose stories were essentially the deathknell of the Dragon Ball anime. That would be like Christopher Nolan asking Schwarzenegger to reprise Mr. Freeze for a new Batman series because some people thought Batman & Robin was funny.

But, more importantly, Toriyama's creative pride is at stake. Toriyama is big on doing things his own way (basically ignoring movie characters and filler creations as he wrote the manga), so I don't see why he would stop that trend and suddenly take ideas from DBGT.

[Mystic Tien]

There won't be any borrowing, for two reasons. First, no one with any business sense is going to use bits of a series like GT whose stories were essentially the deathknell of the Dragon Ball anime. That would be like Christopher Nolan asking Schwarzenegger to reprise Mr. Freeze for a new Batman series because some people thought Batman & Robin was funny.

But, more importantly, Toriyama's creative pride is at stake. Toriyama is big on doing things his own way (basically ignoring movie characters and filler creations as he wrote the manga), so I don't see why he would stop that trend and suddenly take ideas from DBGT.

Nah, Toei could easily borrow it. They actually already did... with SSJG ritual, holding hands in a circle, etc

But Toriyama won't do it, not because he finds GT being bad, not interesting, a deathknell of the Dragon Ball anime, or whatever else, but because he simply doesn't know/remember anything about it at all (besides, most recently discovered, his initial designs for the main cast), so he won't be able to simply put ideas from series which he doesn't know/remember about. That of course if Toriyama is really the one who is writing scripts for each and every episode, and not only gives a basic premise, story outline, ideas for the first few episodes, or whatever else.

[bleed0range]

Yeah I'd say there's pretty much zero chance Toriyama will borrow any ideas from GT. He's most likely going to continue on making new stuff up like he has with the recent new movies. Which, I think, is far better then revisiting anything from GT. Why would you even want to revisit stuff like Super 17 or shadow dragons? We've already seen it and it's been around for almost 20 years. I'd rather see something different anyway as I pretty much disliked all the arcs of GT.

There won't be any borrowing, for two reasons. First, no one with any business sense is going to use bits of a series like GT whose stories were essentially the deathknell of the Dragon Ball anime. That would be like Christopher Nolan asking Schwarzenegger to reprise Mr. Freeze for a new Batman series because some people thought Batman & Robin was funny.

But, more importantly, Toriyama's creative pride is at stake. Toriyama is big on doing things his own way (basically ignoring movie characters and filler creations as he wrote the manga), so I don't see why he would stop that trend and suddenly take ideas from DBGT.

Nah, Toei could easily borrow it. They actually already did... with SSJG ritual, holding hands in a circle, etc

But Toriyama won't do it, not because he finds GT being bad, not interesting, a deathknell of the Dragon Ball anime, or whatever else, but because he simply doesn't know/remember anything about it at all (besides, most recently discovered, his initial designs for the main cast), so he won't be able to simply put ideas from series which he doesn't know/remember about. That of course if Toriyama is really the one who is writing scripts for each and every episode, and not only gives a basic premise, story outline, ideas for the first few episodes, or whatever else.

I'd say that's only half true really. Toriyama wouldn't do it for both the reasons. He doesn't know GT really and had nothing really to do with it and he as someone who enjoys creativity would rather create new things and do it his own way.

Oh and "hand holding" isn't something borrowed from GT. It's a pretty generic ritualistic thing in story telling in general. I seriously doubt anyone involved was even thinking about GT when they did that.

[SPRSYJN]

I honestly don't expect anything GT-related from Super. I think it's going to be a clean slate as to avoid toe-stepping.

[Mystic Tien]

Yeah I'd say there's pretty much zero chance Toriyama will borrow any ideas from GT. He's most likely going to continue on making new stuff up like he has with the recent new movies. Which, I think, is far better then revisiting anything from GT. Why would you even want to revisit stuff like Super 17 or shadow dragons? We've already seen it and it's been around for almost 20 years. I'd rather see something different anyway as I pretty much disliked all the arcs of GT.

There won't be any borrowing, for two reasons. First, no one with any business sense is going to use bits of a series like GT whose stories were essentially the deathknell of the Dragon Ball anime. That would be like Christopher Nolan asking Schwarzenegger to reprise Mr. Freeze for a new Batman series because some people thought Batman & Robin was funny.

But, more importantly, Toriyama's creative pride is at stake. Toriyama is big on doing things his own way (basically ignoring movie characters and filler creations as he wrote the manga), so I don't see why he would stop that trend and suddenly take ideas from DBGT.

Nah, Toei could easily borrow it. They actually already did... with SSJG ritual, holding hands in a circle, etc

But Toriyama won't do it, not because he finds GT being bad, not interesting, a deathknell of the Dragon Ball anime, or whatever else, but because he simply doesn't know/remember anything about it at all (besides, most recently discovered, his initial designs for the main cast), so he won't be able to simply put ideas from series which he doesn't know/remember about. That of course if Toriyama is really the one who is writing scripts for each and every episode, and not only gives a basic premise, story outline, ideas for the first few episodes, or whatever else.

I'd say that's only half true really. Toriyama wouldn't do it for both the reasons. He doesn't know GT really and had nothing really to do with it and he as someone who enjoys creativity would rather create new things and do it his own way.

Oh and "hand holding" isn't something borrowed from GT. It's a pretty generic ritualistic thing in story telling in general. I seriously doubt anyone involved was even thinking about GT when they did that.

That's the point. But if he was the one to do GT, he could use ideas from there. But as he doesn't know about it much, he won't use ideas from it as well.

I am pretty sure that Toei copied it from their other series, knowing how they work. I mean, they basically cut and pasted the attack from Pretty Cure and put it in Saint Seiya Omega

Spoiler:

Soul of Gold is cut and paste of their own anime-only arc from Saint Seiya.

And Sailor Moon (original tv series) borrowed a lot of elements from Saint Seiya, mostly attacks of characters.

[successoroffate]

GT if done correctly would have lasted a lot longer than a mere 64 episodes, wasn't there things that were scrapped due to ratings?
The shadow dragons would be cool to see in canon but hopefully better executed.

This is true...the rumor is that it was supposed to last over 250 episodes.

So definitely all 3 Sagas would have been longer.