Would Dragon Ball Super borrow elements from GT?

Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.

Moderators: Kanzenshuu Staff, General Help

User avatar
successoroffate
OMG CRAZY REGEN
Posts: 906
Joined: Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:10 pm

Would Dragon Ball Super borrow elements from GT?

Post by successoroffate » Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:43 pm

I wonder if this would be the perfect time to borrow some major ideas or plots from GT into canon? The most important one would be about "The Misuse of the Dragonballs."This plot began on DBZ by either Kaiosama or the Supreme Kai (Can't recall). The warnings about what could happen if you alter the normal flow of nature too much manifested itself in GT. I would love if they decided to make the Shadow Dragon Saga canon alonside SSJ 4. If I see the Dragonballs cracking at the end of an episode of Super, I would die from joy.


Thoughts?
Big Green: Do whateveryoulike, Ghos
Broly: haha He calls me a goohst, but IMMMD DA DEVVVVAAALLL! RAHAHAHAHA!
-----
Trunks: "Dhe computer selffishy intesnafiy dosuementos."
Android 13: Yum Boy
-----
Vegeta: The Legendary Warrior of SpaZe.

User avatar
Marco Polo
I Live Here
Posts: 2973
Joined: Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:44 pm

Re: Would Dragon Ball Super borrow elements from GT?

Post by Marco Polo » Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:54 pm

How can Toriyama borrow elements from something he never watched?

User avatar
voltlunok
OMG CRAZY REGEN
Posts: 927
Joined: Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:56 pm
Location: Washington

Re: Would Dragon Ball Super borrow elements from GT?

Post by voltlunok » Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:58 pm

Marco Polo wrote:How can Toriyama borrow elements from something he never watched?
But he has watched GT. He stated in interviews that he was looking forward to watching GT when it was about to air. He's stated he LIKED GT.
Going on hiatus. Too much stuff in RL to deal with for me to keep up with posts here for now. Was fun, hope you all have a nice day and future! Volt signing off.

With the many years on the net I've spent...I've learned being polite takes you much further then being a dick. So...lesson here is! Don't be a dick!

"Fill up your stomach and your happiness! " - Cure Honey

User avatar
Cetra
I Live Here
Posts: 3855
Joined: Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:01 pm

Re: Would Dragon Ball Super borrow elements from GT?

Post by Cetra » Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:00 pm

Marco Polo wrote:How can Toriyama borrow elements from something he never watched?
Considering GT was enough to at least make him consider continuing the manga with GT's story he should very well know enough of it/have known and seen once enough of it. Even when he said, he had absolutely no intention to do so. But at least it was enough for him to mention it by using that new material that GT brought in.
"Citation needed."
"too lazy

feel free to take it with grain of salt or discredit me altogether, I'm not losing any sleep"

User avatar
One_Instance
Beyond-the-Beyond Newbie
Posts: 440
Joined: Fri Aug 01, 2014 11:47 pm
Location: Gengoro Island

Re: Would Dragon Ball Super borrow elements from GT?

Post by One_Instance » Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:22 pm

As many people can agree, there were lots of good things in GT that just weren't executed correctly. Now, I'm not saying that Super should consist of GT with better execution, but I'd like to see the roots of GT taken and then deviated completely away from how things turned out in GT. It'd also be nice to see something completely new.

User avatar
ekrolo2
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 7865
Joined: Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:27 am
Location: Split, Croatia

Re: Would Dragon Ball Super borrow elements from GT?

Post by ekrolo2 » Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:26 pm

I would love for the Baby & Shadow Dragon stuff to get brought in, loved those ideas and their good but not great execution in GT.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.

How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):

User avatar
Lord Beerus
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 21422
Joined: Sat Oct 25, 2014 5:20 pm
Location: A temple on a giant tree
Contact:

Re: Would Dragon Ball Super borrow elements from GT?

Post by Lord Beerus » Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:49 pm

The only elements I would want Dragon Ball Super to borrow from GT is the Shadow Dragons. That's it.

User avatar
Hellspawn28
Patreon Supporter
Posts: 15500
Joined: Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:50 pm
Location: Maryland, USA

Re: Would Dragon Ball Super borrow elements from GT?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:51 pm

Why borrow the same elements from the past when you can do and new original ideas?
She/Her
PS5 username: Guyver_Spawn_27
LB Profile: https://letterboxd.com/Hellspawn28/

User avatar
Dyno
Banned
Posts: 2235
Joined: Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:57 pm

Re: Would Dragon Ball Super borrow elements from GT?

Post by Dyno » Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:02 pm

If ever there is a place to take some elements borrowed are from Dragon Ball Online, considering that game is not as popular as it seems. Not even Towa and Mira were acknowledge at first when they were announced in Dragon Ball Xenoverse.

User avatar
Berserker1921
Advanced Regular
Posts: 1238
Joined: Sun Mar 22, 2015 3:46 am

Re: Would Dragon Ball Super borrow elements from GT?

Post by Berserker1921 » Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:56 pm

Just copy the ending of Eoz and EoGT. I want a more fulfilling ending. I want goku not to abandon his family and loved ones just cause he wants to train someone. Make it more meaning full. I love an ending of an old old goku and vegeta reminiscing about the old days. And the two cant power up any more and they do one more duel. So it will be very familiar to their first battle. Then years later we see goku and vegeta are now immortalized protecting the multiverse from new and powerful threats.

User avatar
Scott
Beyond Newbie
Posts: 248
Joined: Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:35 am

Re: Would Dragon Ball Super borrow elements from GT?

Post by Scott » Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:39 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:The only elements I would want Dragon Ball Super to borrow from GT is the Shadow Dragons. That's it.
I'm the same, it is the one part of the series that i thought was a really good idea and the perfect way to finish the Dragon Ball story.

User avatar
Hellspawn28
Patreon Supporter
Posts: 15500
Joined: Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:50 pm
Location: Maryland, USA

Re: Would Dragon Ball Super borrow elements from GT?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:41 pm

I don't get why people want to rehash things over again? If they borrow ideas from GT then they are just rehashing the same thing over again. Sometimes I feel like fans don't want to see new things and just want repeats of the past.
She/Her
PS5 username: Guyver_Spawn_27
LB Profile: https://letterboxd.com/Hellspawn28/

User avatar
voltlunok
OMG CRAZY REGEN
Posts: 927
Joined: Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:56 pm
Location: Washington

Re: Would Dragon Ball Super borrow elements from GT?

Post by voltlunok » Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:30 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:I don't get why people want to rehash things over again? If they borrow ideas from GT then they are just rehashing the same thing over again. Sometimes I feel like fans don't want to see new things and just want repeats of the past.
Cause in all honesty, not everything Toriyama has been doing is 'fresh and new' he rehashes things too. GT also had some interesting elements to it that I'd like to see him play around with, just because someone uses elements from something doesn't mean they can't put their own spin on it.
Going on hiatus. Too much stuff in RL to deal with for me to keep up with posts here for now. Was fun, hope you all have a nice day and future! Volt signing off.

With the many years on the net I've spent...I've learned being polite takes you much further then being a dick. So...lesson here is! Don't be a dick!

"Fill up your stomach and your happiness! " - Cure Honey

User avatar
SingleFringe&Sparks
I'm, pretty, cozy, here...
Posts: 1642
Joined: Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:55 pm
Location: Mt. Paozu/East District

Re: Would Dragon Ball Super borrow elements from GT?

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:47 pm

I doubt he wil. He pretty much wants to put GT behind him and from what I read; he doesnt seem to ever reference on anything he himself didn't thoroughly write. (excluding Tarble). Bebi doesnt work anymore because tails aren't in focus anymore; and there would be no reason for him to want to go Oozaru without seeing Goku get strength from it. An entire new Tuffle would have to be made for them to redo the arc, bout some Super Tuffle God or whatever that wanted to beat the "Bad" Sayians but lost to his own timelimit...?

Super #17 doesnt work anymore because there would be no way for him to meet God tier from just human and cybernetics. But then again, Dr. Gero created #16 from scratch and much much stronger than Freeza... but I cant see it. Its a straw grasp.

Though I would like to see God versions of the Shadow Dragons rebooted. Omega Shenron should have been a god to me... but again the parallel would just seem too weird with GT already doing it.

For the sake of creative freedom, Toriyama shouldnt bother trying to readapt it if he was trying to overwrite it in the first place. If anything this should explore the other dimensions of Gods and put the nail on GT. Though wether hes going to rehash anything for Super is my biggest concern.
Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could have a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story's poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when it's right in front of you.

User avatar
Gyt Kaliba
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 8869
Joined: Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:38 am
Location: Arkansas
Contact:

Re: Would Dragon Ball Super borrow elements from GT?

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:33 am

While I wouldn't mind a 'GT redo', I just don't see it ever happening outside of fan stuff, such as Kaboom's fanfic. It's just this side thing now at this point that, outside of video games, is probably not going to be re-visited too much.
AniManga Travelogue - Currently Reviewing: Dragon Ball (Z)
Twitter
Switch Friend Code: SW-0745-6427-7791 (let's play some Dragon Ball: The Breakers!)

User avatar
Hellspawn28
Patreon Supporter
Posts: 15500
Joined: Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:50 pm
Location: Maryland, USA

Re: Would Dragon Ball Super borrow elements from GT?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:55 am

voltlunok wrote: Cause in all honesty, not everything Toriyama has been doing is 'fresh and new' he rehashes things too. GT also had some interesting elements to it that I'd like to see him play around with, just because someone uses elements from something doesn't mean they can't put their own spin on it.
True that he has rehash things before but they are rather minor when you compare to Toei with GT and DBZ Movie 1-13. In my opinion Toriyama handles story telling and characters better then Toei does. That's why Vegeta, Freeza, Cell and Buu have more personality, depth and more memorable compare to characters like Bojack, Super Yi Xing Long, Bebi, Super 17, Broli, Coola and several others if you ask me. Even Beerus felt fresh compare to the past movie villains since he had a original backstory and he had a good personality to him since he has a fun sense of humor. I'm not saying everything from Toriyama is amazing but critically speaking, he's better then the anime staff when it comes to handling Dragon Ball.
Last edited by Hellspawn28 on Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:25 am, edited 1 time in total.
She/Her
PS5 username: Guyver_Spawn_27
LB Profile: https://letterboxd.com/Hellspawn28/

User avatar
omegalucas
Advanced Regular
Posts: 1399
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:04 pm
Location: Portugal

Re: Would Dragon Ball Super borrow elements from GT?

Post by omegalucas » Wed Apr 29, 2015 6:36 am

I wouldn't mind they reusing Online's concept of the final battle between Goku and Vegeta as an ending to the series... kinda like Yu-Gi-Oh!, thus ending the tale of the monkey boy.
DragonBoxZTheMovies wrote:Kanzenshuu! We annoy voice actors, get composers fired....and occasionally talk about Dragon Ball

User avatar
Duo
I Live Here
Posts: 3221
Joined: Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:14 pm
Location: West Michigan
Contact:

Re: Would Dragon Ball Super borrow elements from GT?

Post by Duo » Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:23 am

I really don't see it happening. Originality is far more interesting.

User avatar
Basaku
I Live Here
Posts: 2022
Joined: Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:00 pm
Location: Planet of the Apes

Re: Would Dragon Ball Super borrow elements from GT?

Post by Basaku » Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:36 am

Definitely SSJ4 design. Doesn't have to be next step from SSJ3, could as well be totally separate Super Ozaru line but the design is great and it fits the lore prefectly of higher Siyan transformation drawing from Ozaru powers in a hybrid form. Miles ahead in every sense from SSG or SSGSS.

Shadow Dragons were quite cool too, as well as the consequence for overusing the Dragon Balls.

User avatar
Mystic Tien
Regular
Posts: 729
Joined: Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:23 pm

Re: Would Dragon Ball Super borrow elements from GT?

Post by Mystic Tien » Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:39 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:
voltlunok wrote: Cause in all honesty, not everything Toriyama has been doing is 'fresh and new' he rehashes things too. GT also had some interesting elements to it that I'd like to see him play around with, just because someone uses elements from something doesn't mean they can't put their own spin on it.
True that he has rehash things before but they are rather minor when you compare to Toei with GT and DBZ Movie 1-13. In my opinion Toriyama handles story telling and characters better then Toei does. That's why Vegeta, Freeza, Cell and Buu have more personality, depth and more memorable compare to characters like Bojack, Super Yi Xing Long, Bebi, Super 17, Broli, Coola and several others if you ask me. Even Beerus felt fresh compare to the past movie villains since he had a original backstory and he had a good personality to him since he has a fun sense of humor. I'm not saying everything from Toriyama is amazing but critically speaking, he's better then the anime staff when it comes to handling Dragon Ball.
Frieza and Cell barely have any personality, and Kid Buu has none. In my opinion Baby is easily the best villain in terms of personality out of the whole franchise, who had his own motive and backstory. While all others killed and destroyed for the sake of it. Then again I never found DB/DBZ villains being interesting, for me they all seem pretty generic. I'd dare to say that Broly has more personality and backstory than most of them.

Beerus is pretty much the only villain who I find to be interesting, besides guys like Vegeta, Piccolo and Androids 17/18.

What about rehashing things. Right here

Image

He reused Buu's design for this guy.

Image

Looks like Trunks.

Image

Looks like Trunks as well.
Last edited by Mystic Tien on Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:44 am, edited 1 time in total.
Marco Polo wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).
He almost got Videl killed in Battle of Gods tho.

Post Reply