Gohan's Rage Boost

[dbzfan7]

Though it's honestly worse, since by now Gohan has absolutely nothing unique to him anymore.

He um....has a kid...but uh...guess so did Goku and Vegeta. He uh....lives his life how he wants to...but um...so does everyone else. Uh...he sticks around his family like a family man...but erm...even Krillin had more moments with his family....hmm. He uh...uh....is the nerd so there's that. Uh....he's also Saiyaman...though ugh with Police Krillin he might not be needed now...um...maybe Police Krilin Saiyaman duo....but that'd be Batman...hmm....He's the only adult Super Saiyan...how's that?

[Lord Beerus]

Though it's honestly worse, since by now Gohan has absolutely nothing unique to him anymore.

Yeah, I gotta admit that Gohan does seem a little lost among the shuffle now. But who knows what could happen with him in Dragon Ball Super.

[fadeddreams5]

Are we just gonna ignore that Future Trunks became a SSJ for unknown reasons in the manga?

I'm pretty sure he obtained it the same way as his present self. No reason why he wouldn't, honestly. Though the anime version of his transformation is much cooler.

It doesn't matter. Many characters on the show were shown to have near finite amounts of hidden power, Oob is no exception. When he gets angry, his power level spikes, just like Gohan.

Uub is such a blank slate, we can't say too much about him. But it makes sense that he'd exert energy he didn't know he had, given his origins.

As for everyone else, there is not a single character in this series that had a "rage boost," at least in the context it's used to describe Gohan's feats. They got angry and exerted more force, as anyone in real life can do, but they never tapped into an absurd amount of remnant energy.

Goku:
- Became angry against Frieza, which allowed him to push himself far enough to use a 20x kaioken, but he barely scratched Frieza.

Vegeta:
- Became angry at Cell when he killed Trunks, and went on a rampage, but Cell came out as though he was poked by a fly.

Gohan:
- Pierced through Raditz's armor, despite being an untrained 4 year old.
- Went from weaker than most of the Ginyu Force to being able to curbstomp 2nd form Frieza.

Whenever Gohan became angry, his power spiked to the amount necessary to overcome ANY foe he faced. This was a trait EXCLUSIVE to him, not just his signature. Maybe people don't like that phrase "rage boost" because, I guess, other characters have gotten angry and done cool stuff in the process too, but only Gohan was able to obtain an actual boost when he did it. Why? Because his potential FAR exceeded that of any other character in this series. By a mile. This is fact. This is a character who goes into the ROSAT not being a SSJ, and comes out stronger than all the others, including Vegeta and his father.

I mean, wasn't the ENTIRE point of the Cell Games arc him trying to fully tap into this power? Before SSJ2 was a thing, that form was essentially Gohan's latent power combined and controlled with his SSJ transformation. When SSJ2 did become a thing, it took 7 years for Vegeta to even reach Kid Gohan's level.

[Angelus]

My take on it:

Rage Theory, Gohan solely inherited the trait from Chi Chi.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =8&t=28786

Spoiler:

Think about it... Chi Chi was a nagging and irate adult. Much more so than average. Sure, Bulma was a spoiled loud mouth but jeez.. Chi Chi was insanely angry.

Before BoG, where Vegeta has a "rage boost", only Gohan had a significant "rage boost" in the series. I mean sure, Krillin got pissed and wiped out all those Saibamen, Vegeta blasting SPC when Future Trunks got killed, and sure, rage/anger is what activates the SSJ transformation... but Gohan was the only one in the series that consistently had that "rage boost" that was significant.

Headbutt against Raditz, insane ki blasts against 2nd form Frieza, again against Cell, and when Piccolo threw Gohan towards a cliff back in the Saiyan Saga, and that filler scene when Goku noted that Gohan made a huge hole on a large tree's trunk, and when they were training in the ROSAT. Gohan consistently had a rage boost that Goku even acknowledged it and was so confident with that potential that he had Gohan fight Cell.

But now each time Gohan gets his rage boost, I just can't shake the afterimage of how similar it is to how insanely pissed off Chi Chi gets. It's like... this "rage" Gohan had was inherited from Chi Chi's insane anger genes. Yes, of course, Gohan inherited traits from Chi Chi. But it seems like this rage is the more inherent trait he got from Chi Chi. Something Goten didn't inherit.

Future Trunks, and present Trunks had a loud mouth mother but never at the same angered caliber as Chi Chi. They both never had a significant "rage boost" yet they're Human-Saiyan hybrids. The only time Future Trunks showed his mother's loud-mouthed tendencies was when he was screaming "IF THEY SET THAT ANDROID FREE IT WILL BE THE END OF ALL OF USSSSSSSSS!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!" when 17 and 18 were to activate 16... and "FATHER!!!! YOU HAVE TO STOP IT!!!!!" when Vegeta was charging up a Final Flash to shoot at Cell.

Should we be thankful that Goku ended up with angry Chi Chi instead of loud mouth Bulma or fangirl Suno/Snow?

This woman is crazy! WTF?

[Cursed Lemon]

Gohan's rage isn't a bolster.

His personality is a detriment.

[Lord Beerus]

Uub is such a blank slate, we can't say too much about him. But it makes sense that he'd exert energy he didn't know he had, given his origins.

As for everyone else, there is not a single character in this series that had a "rage boost," at least in the context it's used to describe Gohan's feats. They got angry and exerted more force, as anyone in real life can do, but they never tapped into an absurd amount of remnant energy.

Goku:
- Became angry against Freeza, which allowed him to push himself far enough to use a 20x kaioken, but he barely scratched Freeza.

Vegeta:
- Became angry at Cell when he killed Trunks, and went on a rampage, but Cell came out as though he was poked by a fly.

Gohan:
- Pierced through Raditz's armor, despite being an untrained 4 year old.
- Went from weaker than most of the Ginyu Force to being able to curbstomp 2nd form Freeza.

Whenever Gohan became angry, his power spiked to the amount necessary to overcome ANY foe he faced. This was a trait EXCLUSIVE to him, not just his signature. Maybe people don't like that phrase "rage boost" because, I guess, other characters have gotten angry and done cool stuff in the process too, but only Gohan was able to obtain an actual boost when he did it. Why? Because his potential FAR exceeded that of any other character in this series. By a mile. This is fact. This is a character who goes into the ROSAT not being a SSJ, and comes out stronger than all the others, including Vegeta and his father.

I mean, wasn't the ENTIRE point of the Cell Games arc him trying to fully tap into this power? Before SSJ2 was a thing, that form was essentially Gohan's latent power combined and controlled with his SSJ transformation. When SSJ2 did become a thing, it took 7 years for Vegeta to even reach Kid Gohan's level.

Gohan was a blank slate as well. It's not like when he debuted Goku talked about how much stronger he would get after getting angry. I mean, the first time Gohan's "rage boost" characteristic was lampshaded by the cast was when Goku mentioned it during Gohan's battle against Cell. You can't disregard Oob just because he's a reincarnation, he's still his own character, and just like Gohan, when angered he power spikes. Goku mentioned this during and after his battle with Oob. Are we now gonna disregard what was stated in the manga?

Also he didn't curbstomp Freeza. He threw series of punches and spammed a bunch of ki blasts, from which Freeza reemerged and practically no sold and the proceeded to kick Gohan's ass and nearly kill him by crushing his head, until Krillin saved him.

[fadeddreams5]

Gohan was a blank slate as well. It's not like when he debuted Goku talked about how much stronger he would get after getting angry. I mean, the first time Gohan's "rage boost" characteristic was lampshaded by the cast was when Goku mentioned it during Gohan's battle against Cell. You can't disregard Oob just because he's a reincarnation, he's still his own character, and just like Gohan, when angered he power spikes. Goku mentioned this during and after his battle with Oob. Are we now gonna disregard what was stated in the manga?

Also he didn't curbstomp Freeza. He threw series of punches and spammed a bunch of ki blasts, from which Freeza reemerged and practically no sold and the proceeded to kick Gohan's ass and nearly kill him by crushing his head, until Krillin saved him.

When I say blank slate, I mean Uub only appeared for a few chapters. We don't know almost anything about him. Gohan was a prominent character since the beginning of DBZ, and his abilities were progressively built up until he finally exploded in the Cell Games arc.

He whupped Frieza's ass. But his boost is too limited to be at all effective. Naturally, Frieza got up and nearly killed him when his BP went back down.

[Lord Beerus]

Gohan was a blank slate as well. It's not like when he debuted Goku talked about how much stronger he would get after getting angry. I mean, the first time Gohan's "rage boost" characteristic was lampshaded by the cast was when Goku mentioned it during Gohan's battle against Cell. You can't disregard Oob just because he's a reincarnation, he's still his own character, and just like Gohan, when angered he power spikes. Goku mentioned this during and after his battle with Oob. Are we now gonna disregard what was stated in the manga?

Also he didn't curbstomp Freeza. He threw series of punches and spammed a bunch of ki blasts, from which Freeza reemerged and practically no sold and the proceeded to kick Gohan's ass and nearly kill him by crushing his head, until Krillin saved him.

When I say blank slate, I mean Uub only appeared for a few chapters. We don't know almost anything about him. Gohan was a prominent character since the beginning of DBZ, and his abilities were progressively built up until he finally exploded in the Cell Games arc.

He whupped Freeza's ass. But his boost is too limited to be at all effective. Naturally, Freeza got up and nearly killed him when his BP went back down.

We do know some things about Oob from the manga:
- He comes from a poor village
- Has many relatives
- Is reincarnation of Majin Boo
- Has great hidden amounts of strength
- When angered, he taps in his hidden latent power and his strength spikes

[NitroEX]

Though it's honestly worse, since by now Gohan has absolutely nothing unique to him anymore.

Yeah, I gotta admit that Gohan does seem a little lost among the shuffle now. But who knows what could happen with him in Dragon Ball Super.

Judging the way he's been handled in BoG and RoF I expect him to be nerfed even more in Super, I'm just not gullible enough to believe Gohan will find any redemption at this point.

I will be sticking around to witness the fan rationalisations though, always fun to read.

[Truhan]

Gohan could always go back to the RoSaT, in case it was rebuilt, and train to gain access to his hidden potential (again...). He only seems suppressed by his duties and every day life, which would make him Dragon Ball's Peter Parker. Now, if only he kept his hair combed down, so that it would go up with Mystic... It would be much better as a visual clue to his power up.

[Saiga]

Over the years many fans have believed that the whole "rage boost" characteristic has been exclusive to Gohan and that no other character has that trait.

Just to start off, I think this is a pretty bad misrepresentation of what the majority of fans are saying. It isn't that no-one else should have it, but that the particular characters who have shown it recently (Vegeta) shouldn't. That's a big difference.

Secondly, while Gohan is not the only example across the franchise, it is very clearly signature to him as Rocketman already pointed out. Not just from the reader's perspective, but this trait is even discussed by character's in the story as something signature to Gohan:

Chapter: 297 (DBZ 103), P11.2
Context: after Gohan snaps and beats up second form Freeza
Vegeta: “Un…unbelievable…That brat…So he can draw out this much power when he goes into a frenzy and loses his reason…?! Don’t tell me that he’s the one closest to Super Saiyan…”

Chapter: 404 (DBZ 210), P16.2-3
Gohan: “I-I’m gradually starting to understand…What father means when he says I’m the only one who can defeat Cell…It seems that since long ago, whenever my anger flares up, I subconsciously begin fighting madly with outrageous power…So…father must be calculating on that…”

Chapter: 452 (DBZ 258), P1.1-4
Goku: “Gohan, it’s your turn next, but have you trained properly?”
Vegeta: “Unfortunately, it seems he got carried away in peace and didn’t do any significant training. Our powers are higher than his now…Though I suppose there’s no telling what would happen if he snapped and went into a frenzy… ”
Kaioshin: “S-so that’s why these 3 have such composure...In a pinch, they can put forth tremendous power, like Son Goku displayed momentarily…”

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P4.4-6
Goku: “Ah! Wait, Gohan. I have 2 more senzu; you should eat 1. You used up a lot of stamina earlier. [ ] Get angry, Gohan…Remember how you got angry and fought Cell, and draw out all of the power you have. If you do that, you won’t lose to anyone in the entire world! Not to anyone…

Even then, we've only got one other confirmed case of a rage boost (the way it's used to describe Gohan) in the manga: Oob, who is also the type to be too meek to access their impressive potential. Transformations really aren't rage boosts themselves, but unlocking a new form or just revealing one they already had.

Sooo... ultimately, the manga paints a pretty clear picture that the rage boosts are Gohan's "thing". Even if someone in the last three chapters also shows that ability, that doesn't take away from it being Gohan's thing. But started to give it to characters that have been plainly shown not having that benefit before, or acting like rage boosts are a normal fluctuation for everyone, definitely take away from rage boosts being his thing.

[emperior]

^^^

Exactly.
Gohan's rage boost are unique and he hasn't had one since Cell Games.
Wonder what would happen if Mystic Gohan had a rage boost.
And Saiyan Beyond God Mystic Gohan could still be the most powerful Z Fighter. He just needs to do the goddamn ritual.

[dbzfan7]

Spoiler:

Over the years many fans have believed that the whole "rage boost" characteristic has been exclusive to Gohan and that no other character has that trait.

Just to start off, I think this is a pretty bad misrepresentation of what the majority of fans are saying. It isn't that no-one else should have it, but that the particular characters who have shown it recently (Vegeta) shouldn't. That's a big difference.

Secondly, while Gohan is not the only example across the franchise, it is very clearly signature to him as Rocketman already pointed out. Not just from the reader's perspective, but this trait is even discussed by character's in the story as something signature to Gohan:

Chapter: 297 (DBZ 103), P11.2
Context: after Gohan snaps and beats up second form Freeza
Vegeta: “Un…unbelievable…That brat…So he can draw out this much power when he goes into a frenzy and loses his reason…?! Don’t tell me that he’s the one closest to Super Saiyan…”

Chapter: 404 (DBZ 210), P16.2-3
Gohan: “I-I’m gradually starting to understand…What father means when he says I’m the only one who can defeat Cell…It seems that since long ago, whenever my anger flares up, I subconsciously begin fighting madly with outrageous power…So…father must be calculating on that…”

Chapter: 452 (DBZ 258), P1.1-4
Goku: “Gohan, it’s your turn next, but have you trained properly?”
Vegeta: “Unfortunately, it seems he got carried away in peace and didn’t do any significant training. Our powers are higher than his now…Though I suppose there’s no telling what would happen if he snapped and went into a frenzy… ”
Kaioshin: “S-so that’s why these 3 have such composure...In a pinch, they can put forth tremendous power, like Son Goku displayed momentarily…”

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P4.4-6
Goku: “Ah! Wait, Gohan. I have 2 more senzu; you should eat 1. You used up a lot of stamina earlier. [ ] Get angry, Gohan…Remember how you got angry and fought Cell, and draw out all of the power you have. If you do that, you won’t lose to anyone in the entire world! Not to anyone…

Even then, we've only got one other confirmed case of a rage boost (the way it's used to describe Gohan) in the manga: Oob, who is also the type to be too meek to access their impressive potential. Transformations really aren't rage boosts themselves, but unlocking a new form or just revealing one they already had.

Sooo... ultimately, the manga paints a pretty clear picture that the rage boosts are Gohan's "thing". Even if someone in the last three chapters also shows that ability, that doesn't take away from it being Gohan's thing. But started to give it to characters that have been plainly shown not having that benefit before, or acting like rage boosts are a normal fluctuation for everyone, definitely take away from rage boosts being his thing.

Well Oob is kind of a Gohan clone, so it kinda makes sense why he has it.

[fadeddreams5]

I don't see how Uub is anything like Gohan. He's the reincarnation of Kid Buu. What he releases is his latent power inherited from his past life. Vegeta even notes that he's learning to fight as he fights, which makes sense, as this was Kid Buu's special trait. He released his power by becoming angry, but it wasn't the same thing as Gohan's rage boost either. He's fully in control of what he does, but is an unrefined fighter with anxiety problems.

Day and night difference.

[dbzfan7]

I don't see how Uub is anything like Gohan. He's the reincarnation of Kid Buu. What he releases is his latent power inherited from his past life. Vegeta even notes that he's learning to fight as he fights, which makes sense, as this was Kid Buu's special trait. He released his power by becoming angry, but it wasn't the same thing as Gohan's rage boost either. He's fully in control of what he does, but is an unrefined fighter with anxiety problems.

Day and night difference.

His personality is the same as Gohan's was being timid, docile, really nice, polite. He also has rage boosts he can't control. He's different in GT, but in Z he's a Gohan clone. Back story doesn't change that on the surface level he's just Gohan again.

Chapter: 519 (DBZ 325), P12.2-5
Context: Oob is surprised by Goku’s Bukujutsu
Goku: “Oh, I see. You still don’t even know how to fly, huh? …I guess there ain’t no helping it. You haven’t had no teacher, and you probably never even considered things like that. Sorry I bad-mouthed you before. Please forgive me. I just wanted to know your true ability. You’re exactly the person I thought you were. As amazin’ as I expected. But you don’t know how to use your power. This is the first time you’ve fought like this, right? I've got it! From now on I'll live with you at your house and teach you!”

[fadeddreams5]

I don't see how Uub is anything like Gohan. He's the reincarnation of Kid Buu. What he releases is his latent power inherited from his past life. Vegeta even notes that he's learning to fight as he fights, which makes sense, as this was Kid Buu's special trait. He released his power by becoming angry, but it wasn't the same thing as Gohan's rage boost either. He's fully in control of what he does, but is an unrefined fighter with anxiety problems.

Day and night difference.

His personality is the same as Gohan's was being timid, docile, really nice, polite. He also has rage boosts he can't control. He's different in GT, but in Z he's a Gohan clone. Back story doesn't change that on the surface level he's just Gohan again.

Chapter: 519 (DBZ 325), P12.2-5
Context: Oob is surprised by Goku’s Bukujutsu
Goku: “Oh, I see. You still don’t even know how to fly, huh? …I guess there ain’t no helping it. You haven’t had no teacher, and you probably never even considered things like that. Sorry I bad-mouthed you before. Please forgive me. I just wanted to know your true ability. You’re exactly the person I thought you were. As amazin’ as I expected. But you don’t know how to use your power. This is the first time you’ve fought like this, right? I've got it! From now on I'll live with you at your house and teach you!”

The difference is he has those powers. He already possesses them and can tap into them at will, but he's too nervous and unrefined to know how to; he's never fought anyone on his own level to really need to use them or be in full control.

Gohan's powers couldn't really be trained. I mean, they were the reason Piccolo kidnapped him, but his powers ONLY came out when he was angry. And they were very inconsistent--he'd become as strong as he NEEDED to be at any point. They're linked to his unlimited potential. At least, that's how I saw it until... F and GT.

But yeah, as far as personality and other stuff, he does resemble Gohan. It'd be interesting to see their relationship (GT don't count).

[dbzfan7]

I don't see how Uub is anything like Gohan. He's the reincarnation of Kid Buu. What he releases is his latent power inherited from his past life. Vegeta even notes that he's learning to fight as he fights, which makes sense, as this was Kid Buu's special trait. He released his power by becoming angry, but it wasn't the same thing as Gohan's rage boost either. He's fully in control of what he does, but is an unrefined fighter with anxiety problems.

Day and night difference.

His personality is the same as Gohan's was being timid, docile, really nice, polite. He also has rage boosts he can't control. He's different in GT, but in Z he's a Gohan clone. Back story doesn't change that on the surface level he's just Gohan again.

Chapter: 519 (DBZ 325), P12.2-5
Context: Oob is surprised by Goku’s Bukujutsu
Goku: “Oh, I see. You still don’t even know how to fly, huh? …I guess there ain’t no helping it. You haven’t had no teacher, and you probably never even considered things like that. Sorry I bad-mouthed you before. Please forgive me. I just wanted to know your true ability. You’re exactly the person I thought you were. As amazin’ as I expected. But you don’t know how to use your power. This is the first time you’ve fought like this, right? I've got it! From now on I'll live with you at your house and teach you!”

The difference is he has those powers. He already possesses them and can tap into them at will, but he's too nervous and unrefined to know how to; he's never fought anyone on his own level to really need to use them or be in full control.

Gohan's powers couldn't really be trained. I mean, they were the reason Piccolo kidnapped him, but his powers ONLY came out when he was angry. And they were very inconsistent--he'd become as strong as he NEEDED to be at any point. They're linked to his unlimited potential. At least, that's how I saw it until... F and GT.

But yeah, as far as personality and other stuff, he does resemble Gohan. It'd be interesting to see their relationship (GT don't count).

Gohan had those powers too. He just couldn't tap into them, it's literally the same thing as Oob on a surface level.

Gohan's was being trained to have his power be released. Goku had already started but neither he or Piccolo succeeded. Oob is in the same predicament.

Spoiler:

Chapter: 402 (DBZ 208), P6.5, P7.1-6
Context: after Goku asks Gohan to be the next one to fight Cell
Goku: “In the Room of Spirit and Time, the dormant power sealed away deep, deep inside him began to be released. Why don’t we try asking him? How about it, Gohan? Did you think that dad and Cell’s fight just now was too incredible and you couldn’t keep up?”

They're basically the same character, which bugs me. Oob kinda feels like a fuck you to Pan.

[DanielSSJ]

In my head-canon, Gohan's rage boosts are actually him subconsciously trying to go Super Saiyan. He is accessing the Super Saiyan power, but his base power level is to weak for him to transform properly. Hence, only a short-lived burst of power. The only times he gets a rage boost after he goes Super Saiyan is once during the Cell Games when he goes Super Saiyan 2, and once during the 25th Tournament when Spopovch is beating up Videl, and he goes Super Saiyan almost immediately anyway. I could be wrong, but it makes sense to me.

[supercat]

I can see an increase of power as a result of any of the Z-Fighters entering a heightened state of rage. To what extent a dormant power is released, or to what degree their power increases to, seems heavily dependent on their actual hidden potential.

As for Gohan, he had an amazing dormant power that needed awakening, and going into a state of rage often times helped him tap into that. This is why his attacks while he was enraged seemed so prominent compared to attacks from other individuals who may be in a similar emotional state. The way I see it is, if two fighters are equally angry, the one who has more hidden potential and/or dormant powers / abilities is going to display a more impressive feat.

Goku is a Saiyan with massive amounts of potential, and I feel that the ability to transform into an SSJ was an ability that was hidden within him all along. It was only after reaching a certain power and experiencing the anger and pain of losing his best friend that his potential was brought forth in the form of a transformation.

[Saiga]

I don't see how Uub is anything like Gohan. He's the reincarnation of Kid Buu. What he releases is his latent power inherited from his past life. Vegeta even notes that he's learning to fight as he fights, which makes sense, as this was Kid Buu's special trait. He released his power by becoming angry, but it wasn't the same thing as Gohan's rage boost either. He's fully in control of what he does, but is an unrefined fighter with anxiety problems.

Day and night difference.

Oob isn't just a Gohan clone, but he's aspects of Gohan, Nam and Piccolo Jnr rolled into one. As far as the manga goes, everything about him can be likened to one of those three.