Who did it better (SUB vs. DUB)

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Re: Who did it better (SUB vs. DUB)

Post by Zephyr » Thu May 14, 2015 1:40 am

SpiritBombTriumphant wrote:Indeed. Listening to any of the Japanese cast try grunting is painful. It sounds like they're choking on their own blood in their deathbed.
If we're being honest, the dub grunting makes it sound like they're constipated, having an orgasm, or both. Growing up watching the dub, those comparisons came my way all too frequently.

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Post by Rocketman » Thu May 14, 2015 2:40 am

SpiritBombTriumphant wrote:I do like Masako Nozawa though. Awesome lady. If feminists were smart, she would be their idol.
And if you were smart, you wouldn't make random political potshots. But we can't have everything.

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Re: Who did it better (SUB vs. DUB)

Post by Akumaito Beam » Thu May 14, 2015 2:46 am

Sabat as Piccolo, Vale as the Budokai announcer, Straight as Kurririn (Steele as Kid Kurririn) and Armstrong as the DB narrator. The dub voices in that list are a far cry from their Japanese counter parts but they were very true to the spirit of their respective characters. I think that's what counts most. Straight's Kurririn isn't Tanaka's Kurririn but I undoubtedly hear Kurririn when he speaks.

Edit: Ah, 17 and 18 have great voices too. I can't believe I forgot them. I do prefer 18's old voice though.

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Re: Who did it better (SUB vs. DUB)

Post by ABED » Thu May 14, 2015 6:05 am

Indeed. Listening to any of the Japanese cast try grunting (such as when Goku is about to fire the Warp Kamehameha at Cell) is painful.
Two words: Dump Kamehamaha

You are basing your opinion on an entire cast's acting because of how they grunt?
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Re: Who did it better (SUB vs. DUB)

Post by Rocketman » Thu May 14, 2015 12:51 pm

Ocean Vegetto's voice is the best I've heard for the character - it's Vegeta's voice actor doing a Goku impression. The dual-voice thing sounds like a great idea, but in practice it's too easy for the voices to be slightly out of sync or otherwise dissonant.

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Post by Doctor. » Thu May 14, 2015 12:55 pm

Norio Wakamoto is a fantastic actor but I feel like Dameon Clarke's Cell suits the character better, despite not being as talented as an actor and lacking the experience.

That's the only one I can think of, though.

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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Thu May 14, 2015 12:57 pm

Rocketman wrote:Ocean Vegetto's voice is the best I've heard for the character - it's Vegeta's voice actor doing a Goku impression. The dual-voice thing sounds like a great idea, but in practice it's too easy for the voices to be slightly out of sync or otherwise dissonant.
For once I am in agreement with you. The dual voice thing is incredibly distracting and doesn't even make sense since the fused beings are essentially a new single being, and in the FUNi dub (not sure about the Original) Kibito Kai has one voice yet Vegetto doesn't. Smh at that one.

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Post by Vegitofaxx » Thu May 14, 2015 12:58 pm

Doctor. wrote:Norio Wakamoto is a fantastic actor but I feel like Dameon Clarke's Cell suits the character better, despite not being as talented as an actor and lacking the experience.

That's the only one I can think of, though.
I would say Dameon's Kai voice is every bit as talented and experienced as Wakamoto. Have you played Borderlands 2?
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Re: Who did it better (SUB vs. DUB)

Post by Doctor. » Thu May 14, 2015 12:59 pm

No I haven't yet, I'm sorry, why?

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Post by Dbzfan94 » Thu May 14, 2015 1:20 pm

Doctor. wrote:No I haven't yet, I'm sorry, why?
He plays Handsome Jack, and man he nails it.

But back on the main topic, it's sad to see that even with the recent dubs (Kai, BoG and Xenoverse) people still have such hate for the dub.

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Post by Doctor. » Thu May 14, 2015 1:26 pm

Dbzfan94 wrote:
Doctor. wrote:No I haven't yet, I'm sorry, why?
He plays Handsome Jack, and man he nails it.

But back on the main topic, it's sad to see that even with the recent dubs (Kai, BoG and Xenoverse) people still have such hate for the dub.
Oh, I see, I need to check it out for myself, then.

Xenoverse's dub wasn't really that good, you shouldn't be using it as an example, to be fair. Kai and BoG were great but personally, I still prefer the original actors even if I was introduced to the English dub first.

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Post by Dbzfan94 » Thu May 14, 2015 1:50 pm

Doctor. wrote:
Dbzfan94 wrote:
Doctor. wrote:No I haven't yet, I'm sorry, why?
He plays Handsome Jack, and man he nails it.

But back on the main topic, it's sad to see that even with the recent dubs (Kai, BoG and Xenoverse) people still have such hate for the dub.
Oh, I see, I need to check it out for myself, then.

Xenoverse's dub wasn't really that good, you shouldn't be using it as an example, to be fair. Kai and BoG were great but personally, I still prefer the original actors even if I was introduced to the English dub first.
I just thought Xenoverse had some really great lines in the dub (especially from Cell lol)
But that second part wasn't to you, more so in general. I much prefer the Funimation dub voices over all, some more than others, but I like the Japanese too. Just 99% of the time, I watch the show in English because it's what I prefer :)

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Post by Vegitofaxx » Thu May 14, 2015 2:23 pm

Dbzfan94 wrote:
Doctor. wrote:
Dbzfan94 wrote:
He plays Handsome Jack, and man he nails it.

But back on the main topic, it's sad to see that even with the recent dubs (Kai, BoG and Xenoverse) people still have such hate for the dub.
Oh, I see, I need to check it out for myself, then.

Xenoverse's dub wasn't really that good, you shouldn't be using it as an example, to be fair. Kai and BoG were great but personally, I still prefer the original actors even if I was introduced to the English dub first.
I just thought Xenoverse had some really great lines in the dub (especially from Cell lol)
But that second part wasn't to you, more so in general. I much prefer the Funimation dub voices over all, some more than others, but I like the Japanese too. Just 99% of the time, I watch the show in English because it's what I prefer :)
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Re: Who did it better (SUB vs. DUB)

Post by songohan619 » Thu May 14, 2015 2:33 pm

Doctor. wrote:
Dbzfan94 wrote:
Doctor. wrote:No I haven't yet, I'm sorry, why?
He plays Handsome Jack, and man he nails it.

But back on the main topic, it's sad to see that even with the recent dubs (Kai, BoG and Xenoverse) people still have such hate for the dub.
Oh, I see, I need to check it out for myself, then.

Xenoverse's dub wasn't really that good, you shouldn't be using it as an example, to be fair. Kai and BoG were great but personally, I still prefer the original actors even if I was introduced to the English dub first.
I think the dub was decent! Some actors performed better than others, but I think a lot of that has more to do with the confusing script, which Sabat himself commented on!
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Re: Who did it better (SUB vs. DUB)

Post by DemonRin » Thu May 14, 2015 3:13 pm

It's hard to quantify something the dub did "Better". Really, they are two different languages produced for two different markets. Even in a perfect world where the dub hires the absolute most perfect cast imaginable and gets the best script writers who perfectly and flawlessly adapt the material, it's still a different language and a different target audience, so the methods for doing things won't quite sync up.

For example, I think Masako Nozawa is the absolute most perfect voice for Son Goku, IMO, I can't imagine another voice coming out of that character in Japanese.... however, if someone asked me if that means I think the dub should have ALSO cast a woman..... no.... I don't think a woman's voice coming out of Adult Goku would work in English.

That being said, I can comment on my favorite dub things:

Kai. For the most part, Kai is a competent dub. Other than keeping dub name changes (which I know are Trademark issues that FUNi couldn't easily fix) and a few of the needed miscastings being fixed (Kaio...)

I also have a great affinity few of the casting decisions, particularly Damien Clarke as Cell, Chris Rager as Mr. Satan and Chris Ayers ad Freeza.

Oh dat new Freeza voice.... mmmmh.... that's what Freeza's SUPPOSED to sound like.
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Post by SSJ God Gogeta » Fri May 15, 2015 2:39 am

Alright, I guess I'll make my list now. I'll keep It short for now and add to it later.

English Performances I Prefer

Janemba
Kent Williams does a far superior job then Tesshō Genda.

Raditz
I'll give them props for not casting Nozawa as yet another member of Goku's family. However, I just don't like Shigeru Chiba as Raditz. Justin Cook on the other hand I think does a good job, It matches well in my opinion.

Adult Gohan
Out of all the characters Nozawa plays this is the one I'd take the dub over any day. Kyle Hebert is the Adult Gohan I prefer.

Cooler
Captain Sauza wrote:If we're counting movies, I think Andrew Chandler's Cooler was much more fitting than Ryusei Nakao's.
I agree with this.

Super Boo
Fionordequester wrote:Super Buu (Japanese actor sounded kind of generic, while Justin Cook is just SO good at emoting, as he proved with Yusuke)
Agreed.

Krillin
I'm sorry... I just can't stand Mayumi Tanaka...


Japanese Performances I Prefer

Bardock
Sonny Strait did very well as Bardock. However, I just prefer Nozawa.

Yamcha
Sorry, Sabot. Tōru Furuya has ya beat.

Ginyu
This ones a tough one. Out of the many people who play this character I think Hideyuki Hori and Katsuyuki Konishi did it the best.

Trunks/Goten
Takeshi Kusao and Nozawa just do a better job in my opinion.
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Post by sangofe » Fri May 15, 2015 3:22 am

Fionordequester wrote: Goku (Nozawa is awesome at the ACTING part...but I think Schemmel has the more fitting voice. Plus, Schemmel is much better at screaming)
W-W-W-W-What did I just read? Schemmel better at SCREAMING than Nozawa?! Huh? I don't think you've heard the non human screams Nozowa has been delivered through decades! The screams she delivers are just inhuman. Maybe you prefer a more "human like" scream, though. But I've been massivly impressed by Nozawa's screams for decades.

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Post by ABED » Fri May 15, 2015 4:28 am

I'll give them props for not casting Nozawa as yet another member of Goku's family. However, I just don't like Tesshō Genda as Raditz. Justin Cook on the other hand I think does a good job, It matches well in my opinion.
Shigeru Chiba played Raditz, and Cook is an awful actor.
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Re: Who did it better (SUB vs. DUB)

Post by SSJ God Gogeta » Fri May 15, 2015 4:32 am

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I'll give them props for not casting Nozawa as yet another member of Goku's family. However, I just don't like Tesshō Genda as Raditz. Justin Cook on the other hand I think does a good job, It matches well in my opinion.
Shigeru Chiba played Raditz, and Cook is an awful actor.
Shit, my bad.

Also, Cook is an awful actor? Remember it's all opinions here. You have yours and I have mine.
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Post by ABED » Fri May 15, 2015 4:35 am

SSJ God Gogeta wrote:
ABED wrote:
I'll give them props for not casting Nozawa as yet another member of Goku's family. However, I just don't like Tesshō Genda as Raditz. Justin Cook on the other hand I think does a good job, It matches well in my opinion.
Shigeru Chiba played Raditz, and Cook is an awful actor.
Shit, my bad.

Also, Cook is an awful actor? Remember it's all opinions here. You have yours and I have mine.
I get that to an extent but Cook? He overacts to the nth degree.
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