Dragonballs and their creator...

[GTX]

It's said by shenron he made an exception int the manga. It has proven enough.

Outside of GT, which had random made-up nonsense all the time, Shenlon has never made an exception in making a wish. At no point does he ever resurrect Kuririn a second time, for after his death in Dragon Ball by Tamborine, both times he's been killed, he was resurrected by Polunga. Besides, when Shenlon was called out following the Cell Games, he steadfastly establishes that he is unable to bring back Goku as he had been wished back once before, and no matter how they word the wish or how badly they want it, he cannot revive him a second time.

Their willingnes to receive it has never been an important factor that decide that it affect him or not.

Polunga tried wishing Goku to Earth among the wishes he was granting to revive Kuririn and everyone else following the events on Namek. However, he established full well that he couldn't grant the wish because Goku didn't want to return by means of a wish, and wanted to return on his own accord. Therefore, Polunga wasn't able to grant the wish because Goku was unwilling to accept it.

Goku case is a special case that just because porunga ruling or he just being randomly friendly to goku,whatever. Even Piccolo is wrongly transported because the wrong wish that is said by dende because dende is misinterpreting krillin's.

He wasn't wrongly transported. Kuririn and Dende simply weren't specific regarding where Polunga would bring him on Namek, and Piccolo wouldn't have known about where on Namek he'd be teleported to until he already arrived. All they asked was to bring him to Namek, which is what Piccolo wanted, and Polunga granted it. The two situations aren't remotely the same, so using it as evidence doesn't work. Now if Piccolo had expressed that he doesn't want to go to Namek, and then was brought there anyway, then yes, that'd be evidence. However, he did want to go, so Polunga granted exactly what they asked.

Actually the fault is at dende and not krillin
The dende is at fault because he is misinterpreting kriliin, you need to check the manga and confirm this.
You're answering only part of my question and answers and you're completely missing the point.
You're assuming that everything everything is not happened instantly and need the target confirmation. I don't know if this is not stupid.
You're creating thousands of contradiction by stating this because almost everything need to happen instantly in order to suceed and the target wish 99,99999% never realize what happened to them at all .

[Darkprince410]

The dende is at fault because he is misinterpreting kriliin, you need to check the manga and confirm this.

I did check the manga. All that happened was they weren't specific in saying they wanted him brought to that spot. All they asked was to bring him to Namek, which is what Dende told Polunga, which is what Polunga granted. The fault was them not specifying exactly what they wanted, which isn't something Piccolo would have known until he had already been teleported there.

You're creating thousands of contradiction by stating this because almost everything need to happen instantly in order to suceed.

We have an example of one of the dragons being unable to grant a wish due to the target of the wish not wanting it granted on him, and we have absolutely no instance of a wish being granted despite the target of the wish not wanting it. What are all these thousands of contradictions you're saying that all happened instantly? Outside of Goku's stamina being restored at the end of the battle with Buu, none of the wishes had to be granted instantly for them to succeed.

[GTX]

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The dende is at fault because he is misinterpreting kriliin, you need to check the manga and confirm this.

I did check the manga. All that happened was they weren't specific in saying they wanted him brought to that spot. All they asked was to bring him to Namek, which is what Dende told Polunga, which is what Polunga granted. The fault was them not specifying exactly what they wanted, which isn't something Piccolo would have known until he had already been teleported there.

You're creating thousands of contradiction by stating this because almost everything need to happen instantly in order to suceed.

We have an example of one of the dragons being unable to grant a wish due to the target of the wish not wanting it granted on him, and we have absolutely no instance of a wish being granted despite the target of the wish not wanting it. What are all these thousands of contradictions you're saying that all happened instantly? Outside of Goku's stamina being restored at the end of the battle with Buu, none of the wishes had to be granted instantly for them to succeed.

Every people revived by shenron never realize they're revived and it's a fact. Actually never once and only this goku special case that it's doing confirmation probably because probably he likes goku and knows for better the best for him because he is dragon god and often implied can read people hearts or minds. shenron sometime choose another option for best result and understand/ can read the people hearts usually the wisher.

[Darkprince410]

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The dende is at fault because he is misinterpreting kriliin, you need to check the manga and confirm this.

I did check the manga. All that happened was they weren't specific in saying they wanted him brought to that spot. All they asked was to bring him to Namek, which is what Dende told Polunga, which is what Polunga granted. The fault was them not specifying exactly what they wanted, which isn't something Piccolo would have known until he had already been teleported there.

You're creating thousands of contradiction by stating this because almost everything need to happen instantly in order to suceed.

We have an example of one of the dragons being unable to grant a wish due to the target of the wish not wanting it granted on him, and we have absolutely no instance of a wish being granted despite the target of the wish not wanting it. What are all these thousands of contradictions you're saying that all happened instantly? Outside of Goku's stamina being restored at the end of the battle with Buu, none of the wishes had to be granted instantly for them to succeed.

Every people revived by shenron never realize they're revived and it's a fact. Actually never once and only this goku special case that it's doing confirmation probably because probably he likes goku and knows for better the best for him because he is dragon god and often implied can read people hearts or minds. shenron sometime choose another option for best result and understand/ can read the people hearts.

Then if you believe he can read hearts or minds, then why is it implausible for him to just see that all the people he brought back wanted to come back, or all the people teleported wanted to leave? If you think he can do that, why is him needing their permission somehow inconceivable?

Additionally, Shenlon's never chosen a different option for a best result. He either grants the wish that is asked of him, or he doesn't. That's it. He's never once granted a wish in a manner different than how the wish was asked of him.

[GTX]

If you think he can do that, why is him needing their permission somehow inconceivable?

Because he never need any permission everybody who's revived is shocked they're revived.

Then if you believe he can read hearts or minds, then why is it implausible for him to just see that all the people he brought back wanted to come back, or all the people teleported wanted to leave? If you think he can do that, why is him needing their permission somehow inconceivable?

Shenron mostly read the wisher heart and it takes the priority. If the wisher is krillin at namek not dende mostly Piccolo won't be wrongly transported.

[Darkprince410]

If you think he can do that, why is him needing their permission somehow inconceivable?

Because he never need any permission everybody who's revived is shocked they're revived.

Then if you believe he can read hearts or minds, then why is it implausible for him to just see that all the people he brought back wanted to come back, or all the people teleported wanted to leave? If you think he can do that, why is him needing their permission somehow inconceivable?

Shenron mostly read the wisher heart and it takes the priority. If the wisher is krillin at namek not dende mostly Piccolo won't be wrongly transported.

All that Shenlon/Polunga wouldn ecessarily need to do, if he could read their hearts/minds like you're suggesting, is just see that so and so dead people don't want to be there and wish they could be alive, and then boom, he revives them. He's not directly asking permission, but he's still seeing it in their hearts that's what they want to do. He's still abiding by what they're wanting.

And no, Piccolo wasn't wrongly transported, because Polunga transported him to Namek exactly how he was asked. They simply wished him to be brought to the planet, and it was their lack of specifics that caused him to be teleported so far from where they were.

[rereboy]

Do you think i don't have any hard time reading your sentences?

You shouldn't. My sentences seem, at least, better written.

Casting magic to someone is never have been need to have someone's permission to take effect anywhere.

I barely understood what you meant with that sentence... Anyway, as I've already said, other magic doesn't have its limits clearly defined like the Dragon Balls do. They don't comply to the same exact rules.

It's forceful/ compelling effect that is forced to someone.

Yes, but the rule that states that the Dragons are unable to affect fundamentally stronger beings than the dragon ball's creator is exclusive to the dragon balls, it's never mentioned to any other kind of magic.

Actually your post is just literally say that every magic attack will send a genie that ask you that you want to be affected by said magic or not.

Actually, I stated the opposite of that.

Also, I've noticed that you simply ignored that you were incorrect regarding Shenlong making an exception to resurrect someone who had already died...

[GTX]

If you think he can do that, why is him needing their permission somehow inconceivable?

Because he never need any permission everybody who's revived is shocked they're revived.

Then if you believe he can read hearts or minds, then why is it implausible for him to just see that all the people he brought back wanted to come back, or all the people teleported wanted to leave? If you think he can do that, why is him needing their permission somehow inconceivable?

Shenron mostly read the wisher heart and it takes the priority. If the wisher is krillin at namek not dende mostly Piccolo won't be wrongly transported.

All that Shenlon/Polunga wouldn ecessarily need to do, if he could read their hearts/minds like you're suggesting, is just see that so and so dead people don't want to be there and wish they could be alive, and then boom, he revives them. He's not directly asking permission, but he's still seeing it in their hearts that's what they want to do. He's still abiding by what they're wanting.

And no, Piccolo wasn't wrongly transported, because Polunga transported him to Namek exactly how he was asked. They simply wished him to be brought to the planet, and it was their lack of specifics that caused him to be teleported so far from where they were.

So what is your point that they're immune if they hate it. So what's your logic behind this actually?
So what's your statement actually? because You don't want to make any statement you talked in very vague way
You don't back up your statement with appropriate one
They don't even felt anything when they're revived. They're surprised with what happened to them they don't think about anything want to be revived at all. They literally cannot sense anything after and when being revived, transported or whatever let alone protecting themselves from shenron power.
They completely powerless to the power of shenron.

[Darkprince410]

So what is your point that they're immune if they hate it. So what's your logic behind this actually?
So what's your statement actually? because You don't want to make any statement you talked in very vague way
You don't back up your statement with appropriate one
They don't even felt anything when they're revived. They're surprised with what happened to them they don't think about anything want to be revived at all. They literally cannot sense anything after and when being revived, transported or whatever let alone protecting themselves from shenron power.
They completely powerless to the power of shenron.

My point is that we have a very clear instance of a dragon not granting a wish because the target chose not to accept it. Your argument that he was doing it out of a kindness to Goku or whatever has no basis in fact, as we never see either Shenlon or Polunga ever make any kind of exception to a wish asked of them. If it's possible for them to grant it, they grant it. If they can't grant it, they don't, so there's nothing to go on that suggests that Polunga was preventing the wish as a favor to Goku. This means then that such a thing is part of his hard set rules, that he can't forcibly affect someone in such a way without their consent.