Goku's training weights in DBS

[Friezacooler]

I agree with him. The weights looked like it was in the thousand ton range. I wish the anime could have gave us an exact number. At least this gets rid of the 40 ton bullshit.

To be fair Heaven is a huge planet. It is highly possible it has gravity equivalent or exceeding Kaio's world. So it may be 400 tons.

That would proof that Mister Satan and Bee are different from the average earthlings.

[Darkprince410]

I agree with him. The weights looked like it was in the thousand ton range. I wish the anime could have gave us an exact number. At least this gets rid of the 40 ton bullshit.

To be fair Heaven is a huge planet. It is highly possible it has gravity equivalent or exceeding Kaio's world. So it may be 400 tons.

That would proof that Mister Satan and Bee are different from the average earthlings.

They weren't in Heaven though, but on the Kaioushin's planet.

[Hitiro]

I agree with him. The weights looked like it was in the thousand ton range. I wish the anime could have gave us an exact number. At least this gets rid of the 40 ton bullshit.

To be fair Heaven is a huge planet. It is highly possible it has gravity equivalent or exceeding Kaio's world. So it may be 400 tons.

That would proof that Mister Satan and Bee are different from the average earthlings.

Pretty much what Darkprince410 said. Mr. Satan and Bee never went to Heaven. It was the Kaioshin homeworld. The only people on Heaven are spirits(Which shouldn't weigh anything), martial artists who have saved their planets(Which would be able to withstand the planets Gravity I assume) and the other Kaio(Which if they are the same as the North Kaio then they should be able to handle the Gravity too).

[theherodjl]

Why does Goku's feat of lifting 40 tons have to be an inconsistency?
If you just go to a gym you'll find that you can push something along the ground that is heavier than what you can lift, sometimes seemingly easy. The weight resting on the ground takes off a large amount of it's heaviness when just dragging or pushing it, and standing helps to a degree when you use the ground to help deadlift.
Goku was neither pushing 40 tons or deadlifting 40 tons from the ground, he was physically holding it up in the air without any object to leverage with and hold it up. I'm sure if a person who is able to push 500 Ibs along the ground started flying and 500 Ibs then magically appeared on their whole body, that they would start falling and not be able to hold themselves up.
Goku is kinda the same here and his specialty is not really physical strength through his body alone, he uses Ki to boost his power.

[Darkprince410]

Pretty much what Darkprince410 said. Mr. Satan and Bee never went to Heaven. It was the Kaioshin homeworld. The only people on Heaven are spirits(Which shouldn't weigh anything), martial artists who have saved their planets(Which would be able to withstand the planets Gravity I assume) and the other Kaio(Which if they are the same as the North Kaio then they should be able to handle the Gravity too).

We do see a random puppy running along when Goku is contacting Gohan about wanting to come back for a day for the 25th Budoukai.

[Friezacooler]

Pretty much what Darkprince410 said. Mr. Satan and Bee never went to Heaven. It was the Kaioshin homeworld. The only people on Heaven are spirits(Which shouldn't weigh anything), martial artists who have saved their planets(Which would be able to withstand the planets Gravity I assume) and the other Kaio(Which if they are the same as the North Kaio then they should be able to handle the Gravity too).

We do see a random puppy running along when Goku is contacting Gohan about wanting to come back for a day for the 25th Budoukai.

Where is dat?

[Darkprince410]

That's in Heaven, the same place Goku was shown training in using the 40 tons of weights strapped to his arms and legs.

[Polyphase Avatron]

It also depends whether you're talking about tons (force) or tons (mass). If it's the former, the gravity doesn't matter.

[Galan007]

We do see a random puppy running along when Goku is contacting Gohan about wanting to come back for a day for the 25th Budoukai.

There's also some sort of undead Jellyfish-looking creature in the background, near Goku's right shoulder:

Spoiler:

[Hitiro]

Pretty much what Darkprince410 said. Mr. Satan and Bee never went to Heaven. It was the Kaioshin homeworld. The only people on Heaven are spirits(Which shouldn't weigh anything), martial artists who have saved their planets(Which would be able to withstand the planets Gravity I assume) and the other Kaio(Which if they are the same as the North Kaio then they should be able to handle the Gravity too).

We do see a random puppy running along when Goku is contacting Gohan about wanting to come back for a day for the 25th Budoukai.

Who's to say that the dog isn't a martial artist who saved their world? A body is only given to people who have achieved something extraordinary in their life. Otherwise they are just plain spirits.

It also depends whether you're talking about tons (force) or tons (mass). If it's the former, the gravity doesn't matter.

I thought it didn't matter for mass either. Because tons is a unit of mass and mass is a constant variable. When you go to another planet the mass of an object doesn't change. But the force that is applied to that mass will. Hence why 1 kg(Also a unit of mass as opposed to a unit of weight like Ounces or Pounds) on Earth has a force of 9.81 newtons. On a planet with a higher amount of gravity it would still be 1kg but the newtons would increase. But if we are talking a unit of weight, like Ounces or Pounds, then that unit is going to change with the planets gravity because a unit of weight is both the mass and the gravitational force. In simple terms.

Earth
1 kg
1 lbs

Kaio Planet
1 kg(Unit of Mass)
10 lbs(Unit of Weight)

[Tectorman]

The dog is Krypto's evil clone, the one that died saving Power Girl.

That's right. Krypto is such a good dog that even his evil clone is a good guy.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Pretty much what Darkprince410 said. Mr. Satan and Bee never went to Heaven. It was the Kaioshin homeworld. The only people on Heaven are spirits(Which shouldn't weigh anything), martial artists who have saved their planets(Which would be able to withstand the planets Gravity I assume) and the other Kaio(Which if they are the same as the North Kaio then they should be able to handle the Gravity too).

We do see a random puppy running along when Goku is contacting Gohan about wanting to come back for a day for the 25th Budoukai.

Who's to say that the dog isn't a martial artist who saved their world? A body is only given to people who have achieved something extraordinary in their life. Otherwise they are just plain spirits.

FnF shows that the spirits take the form of their bodies, so just because we see dead with bodies in Heaven, it doesn't mean they have their real bodies like Goku.

[Hitiro]

FnF shows that the spirits take the form of their bodies, so just because we see dead with bodies in Heaven, it doesn't mean they have their real bodies like Goku.

To be fair we don't know if that is real. I saw that scene with Freeza as a nightmare world, something he perceived while dead. So while it seemed like his spirit took the form of his body it was really just his spirit perceiving it that way. We see when Goku is dead a couple of times that spirits don't take the form of their bodies. But then. Even if it was the fact that their spirits took the form of their bodies I would imagine that they still didn't weigh anything. They would still be spiritual manifestations rather than matter that would actually be weighed down by a planet.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

To be fair we don't know if that is real. I saw that scene with Freeza as a nightmare world, something he perceived while dead. So while it seemed like his spirit took the form of his body it was really just his spirit perceiving it that way. We see when Goku is dead a couple of times that spirits don't take the form of their bodies. But then. Even if it was the fact that their spirits took the form of their bodies I would imagine that they still didn't weigh anything. They would still be spiritual manifestations rather than matter that would actually be weighed down by a planet.

Nothing indicates that this isn't real. We even see Freeza disappearing from there after he was revived.

[Hitiro]

Nothing indicates that this isn't real. We even see Freeza disappearing from there after he was revived.

If it is a perception thing then he is going to disappear when he is revived.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Honestly I think people focus too much on lifting weights and such. Some of the physical feats in the series, like kicking Freeza through islands, making mountains and cliffs shake and collapse with punches, creating huge craters from body slams, etc. would require way more physical strength than it would take to lift even many thousands of tons.

[h0kuten]

Goku's special training is evidence that Goku still has room for improvement. So does Vegeta. I will be using these particular scenes to debunk people who try to argue that they didn't get much stronger with 7 years of training. That's possible, but it can also be looked at from an alternative view. That it took those 7 years to unlock two new Ssj transformation and Vegeta, to learn to become a FPMSsj & unlock Ssj2, all the while making reasonable gains.

[Darkprince410]

Goku's special training is evidence that Goku still has room for improvement. So does Vegeta. I will be using these particular scenes to debunk people who try to argue that they didn't get much stronger with 7 years of training. That's possible, but it can also be looked at from an alternative view. That it took those 7 years to unlock two new Ssj transformation and Vegeta, to learn to become a FPMSsj & unlock Ssj2, all the while making reasonable gains.

Except that one can't legitimately say that they did get much stronger within those seven years. New transformations aside, it's implied that, while Goku did become stronger than Gohan was when he defeated Cell, it wasn't by some drastic level. In turn, while he was weaker than Gohan during the Cell Games, Goku wasn't multiple times weaker than him or anything along those lines. Combine these two and you're looking at Goku's actual base strength maybe doubling during those seven years, but even that might be a bit generous.

[ShaneisMC]

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[Polyphase Avatron]

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I'm a bit skeptical about that last one, because IIRC it wasn't that he was lifting some kind of super dense material but Kaioh used his powers to change the weight of the material. At first he had on 2 tons and then it changed to 40 tons without any physical alteration in the weights. So we really don't know how that works.