What are GT's redeeming qualities?

[ekrolo2]

I always loved the "life goes on" feel of Dragon Ball GT. We saw it in the end of Z, but GT really went in-depth with it more. Vegeta as a regular guy now, Goten and Trunks acting like normal kids, everyone seemed to live after the Boo thing. It's not like one of those things where everyone sits around discussing the many adventures they had once upon a time. I liked that. That's what I liked about the Saiyaman arc, actually.

I especially agree with this point right here. Having Vegeta chill the f*ck out already and fully integrate into the Earth life-style might be crap for all the fans who want him to be some putrid Cell Saga rehash of himself, but I personally found this evolution of his the best out of everyone in GT.

[ABED]

There were only 64 episodes.

And the FUNimation broadcast was only 48 episodes, which was quite merciful in hindsight.

They went back and did the first 16 AND if you include the clip show used to catch the American audience up on the plot, that's 65.

[LuckyCat]

They went back and did the first 16 AND if you include the clip show used to catch the American audience up on the plot, that's 65.

But watching that is completely optional, and having that option is a good thing.

[Cetra]

- It has that Future of Dragon Ball Feeling
- It has this dark setting as well as futuristic settings with fitting colors. M2 was very good when it comes to that in my opinion
- It has some of the greatest moments. The heroes have no idea of nothing. In the darkest corner of the universe behind a door there is a tank with their ultimate instrument if doom, Baby? Oh, my god
- Baby was great
- Vegeta was great
- Goku, Pan and Trunks were great
- It was great that they tried to find that mix between action and comedy
- They did the villain thing better. Oh yeah, I am Freeza, Cell, Boo - I transform to 50 forms to make the plot "progress" so there are 50 training scenes for characters who can beat one form and then lose after one transformation. Baby had more forms and Goku lost to one, there were no 50 Saiyajin forms then and while Baby transformed two times, he only tranformed once. Granted, Oob fought him but after that with 17 and Xing Long there was not so much of that anymore. They just had no chance and therefore no cheap way of "pseudo-plot progressing by training" was used, either write something different or whatever but not this. Yes, Vegeta transformed and they fused so there also was something. But his SSJ4 did not help alone and the fusion is a different case. Not some oh yeah, Piccolo vs Freeza, Vegeta VS Cell, Goku VS Cell, Vegeta VS Boo, xyz VS Boo for one battle and then they are useless but hey it helped the "plot" thing.
So basically the thing that Goku only had a chance had its advantages.
- The music
- The ending

All that is my opinion and has nothing to do with others.

[successoroffate]

Seems like the opinions are pretty consistent: Music, Characters, Shadow Dragons and SSJ 4. I personally believe GT has the best BGM ever.

I'd add the fact that GT has a major feeling of uneasiness that gives the show a different vibe. Specially during the Shadow Dragons Saga, everyone is hitting rock bottom and hard. They all feel very vulnerable. Also, everyone in GT is not exempt from dying. They killed Piccolo for god sakes and destroy the earth; that tells you something. The show is sure a departure from DBZ but it does it right. The Universal Genkidama is sure a nice touch. Lastly, the execution of Goku's death/departure is perfect. It was so cryptic, people are still discovering new stuff that particular scene, myself included.

[Xeztin]

- I liked SSJ 4's design, just not it being called SSJ4 since there is nothing Super Saiyan about it.
In my mind it should have been called Super Oozaru, giving the Saiyan's two paths:
Exploring their more Human side (Super Saiyan) or going down the path of their more primal side and to their roots, (Super Oozaru/SSJ4)
Since Super Oozaru would be stronger than SSJ3, I think gaining control over the Golden Oozaru form should be something very few Saiyans ever accomplished.

A quick thing before I add to this list; it has been stated that SSJ4 wasn't supposed to be called SSJ4. (I believe it was in the perfect files they mentioned it.) It was just given that name out of convenience and time constraints. Stuff was starting to feel rushed so instead of spending possibly a whole episode explaining what SSJ4 was, why it's never been brought up or any of that...just old kai knows about SSJ4, helps Goku get it. DONE!

I've always liked GT, I see it's flaws but I don't see them as blown up or glaring as others but I digress on that, I think it's strong points are definately listed in this thread! The music, the atomosphere, Heck even the scale is pretty grand!

Qualities I liked?
-SSJ4! In my opinion the zenith of individual saiyan power. It's form is imposing and combines the best qualities across the saiyan race into a perfect fighting form.

Interesting villains and designs. While some are copies of past villains and such, I still think they do enough to stand out on their own. Baby being the best of them all!

The tributes! While some label these rehashes or something. I see some of the things they do as tributes and throwbacks to the old days. SSJ4 Goku vs Great Ape Baby? Yeah that's throwing back to Goku Vs Great Ape Vegeta!

The ending really is one of GT's biggest redeeming qualities. It's just so heartwarming after such a brutal battle against the shadow dragons.

I'm sure there are more but I'm writing this up early in the morning so...yeah not all collected yet! May edit the post as I think up more stuff.

I am curious to what names they were considering using for SSJ4 I think it would have been something with oozaru in it, but it may have very well been something totally different, I honestly liked everything about GT especially that music when it shown the episode title. Most fans had a hard time enjoying it but i loved the dark tone, and SSJ4 it really showed they was trying to be unique in which they succeeded. I hope in super Goku gets his tail back and it plays a major role in the story like it did in GT

[Lord Beerus]

The Shadow Dragons, the Japanese score and the final episode.

[TheGreatness25]

Super Ape Goku? lol

To me it makes sense, really. It's not like the other Super Saiyan levels (then again, neither is God), but if it's something that only a Saiyan can achieve and it is more powerful than Super Saiyan 3, why not call it Super Saiyan 4?

[Cipher]

- Uses an interesting, smaller cast in non-strength-based scenarios (for the opening arc)
- Dripping with nostalgia, not only in terms of its call-back content, but its overall tone (colors, music); good mode for an epilogue
- The soundtrack in general
- Accidental sense of the real world catching up to the fantasy of Dragon Ball, in terms of designs, settings, etc.; characters feel past their prime
- Strong final arc
- Episode 64 is seriously ridiculously good

I really, really think it's just an aesthetically pleasing series in a number of ways, though I know that isn't true for a large number of other fans. I always enjoy revisiting it, even if it is a clear departure from Toriyama's style of writing. I think its greatest sin is in not exploring the potential of its cast in the second half of the series, and the opening arc runs a little long, but what's there is wholly pleasurable.

On a more superficial note, we also get some really interesting villain designs and abilities -- ones that break away from strength one-ups-manship in a refreshing way.

I always loved the "life goes on" feel of Dragon Ball GT. We saw it in the end of Z, but GT really went in-depth with it more. Vegeta as a regular guy now, Goten and Trunks acting like normal kids, everyone seemed to live after the Boo thing. It's not like one of those things where everyone sits around discussing the many adventures they had once upon a time. I liked that. That's what I liked about the Saiyaman arc, actually.

Yes.

The look and feel of the show is great. I think Toei took a big risk in going for an aesthetic that was so different from Dragonball Z and it mostly paid off. I love Dragonball GT's moody, futuristic and un-worldy palette, I love the score, and for the most part, I love the character designs.

Yeeeeeees.

[successoroffate]

- I liked SSJ 4's design, just not it being called SSJ4 since there is nothing Super Saiyan about it.
In my mind it should have been called Super Oozaru, giving the Saiyan's two paths:
Exploring their more Human side (Super Saiyan) or going down the path of their more primal side and to their roots, (Super Oozaru/SSJ4)
Since Super Oozaru would be stronger than SSJ3, I think gaining control over the Golden Oozaru form should be something very few Saiyans ever accomplished.

A quick thing before I add to this list; it has been stated that SSJ4 wasn't supposed to be called SSJ4. (I believe it was in the perfect files they mentioned it.) It was just given that name out of convenience and time constraints. Stuff was starting to feel rushed so instead of spending possibly a whole episode explaining what SSJ4 was, why it's never been brought up or any of that...just old kai knows about SSJ4, helps Goku get it. DONE!

I've always liked GT, I see it's flaws but I don't see them as blown up or glaring as others but I digress on that, I think it's strong points are definately listed in this thread! The music, the atomosphere, Heck even the scale is pretty grand!

Qualities I liked?
-SSJ4! In my opinion the zenith of individual saiyan power. It's form is imposing and combines the best qualities across the saiyan race into a perfect fighting form.

Interesting villains and designs. While some are copies of past villains and such, I still think they do enough to stand out on their own. Baby being the best of them all!

The tributes! While some label these rehashes or something. I see some of the things they do as tributes and throwbacks to the old days. SSJ4 Goku vs Great Ape Baby? Yeah that's throwing back to Goku Vs Great Ape Vegeta!

The ending really is one of GT's biggest redeeming qualities. It's just so heartwarming after such a brutal battle against the shadow dragons.

I'm sure there are more but I'm writing this up early in the morning so...yeah not all collected yet! May edit the post as I think up more stuff.

I am curious to what names they were considering using for SSJ4 I think it would have been something with oozaru in it, but it may have very well been something totally different, I honestly liked everything about GT especially that music when it shown the episode title. Most fans had a hard time enjoying it but i loved the dark tone, and SSJ4 it really showed they was trying to be unique in which they succeeded. I hope in super Goku gets his tail back and it plays a major role in the story like it did in GT

Probably "Legendary Super Saiyan" or "Primal Super Saiyan"

[Soppa Saia People]

Now right now I'm only on the Baby saga so I'm just gonna share my highlights.
The music is amazing
Love the intro
Good character designs
Goku is a kid again
And best of all VEGTEA! Now I've metion before that I dislike Vegtea after the Freeza saga but here he is just awesome plain and simple.
Also GT has a surprisingly good dub.

[precita]

I liked many of the ideas in GT, but man, the execution was just terrible. They had no idea how to pace a story at all. It was either too rushed or too stretched out. The sheer focus on Goku really ruined it too. Goku as a kid also should have been done away with about mid-way into the series.

I liked the same things others did though.

[Araki]

I liked many of the ideas in GT, but man, the execution was just terrible. They had no idea how to pace a story at all. It was either too rushed or too stretched out. The sheer focus on Goku really ruined it too. Goku as a kid also should have been done away with about mid-way into the series.

Exactly my thoughts. They started dragging it out so much, then we have an ultra rushed Super 17 arc, for instance. Pacing made no sense.
Kid Goku was like a terrible idea that they couldn't be humble enough to acknowledge and revert, sticking with it until the end. His bad characterization was also annoying, but then again, that wasn't one of GT's strong points for any character.

What was good:

- soundtrack (OP, EDs and bgms)
- colors
- Baby and the Shadow Dragons were arcs with very good concepts - execution hurt the former and killed the latter, but still, the idea counts.
- the last episode was amazing, and notably, a much better "finale" for the series than Z. also complicated enough to generate discussion about it to this day, what i appreciate.

[shinmaru]

The things that I didn't like was the pig like characters and Goku doing Kamehame over and over again. b
But GT had great desings ,animation, music and very good drama.

[OkamiTakahashi]

Ah, finally, a thread that actually praises GT rather than saying it was plum awful!

I think the thing that people get worked up most about is how different it is from Toriyama's own work. People are always Hell-bent on saying "If Toriyama didn't make it, it's non-canon!" which really grinds my gears. I thought GT had some interesting ideas and designs, and the music wasn't too bad either. Ironically, even with DB Super now being a thing, GT is still the most consistent of the 4 anime series. Unfortunately, the writing, while a nice break from the Toriyama style, didn't always get everything right despite trying to stay more consistent than Z. There were some rehashes here and there but for the most part I enjoyed it very much. I thought Super Saiyan 4 was pretty unique. While I would have preferred it to be gold like the rest of the line, barring the new God forms, the red gives it a distinctive and powerful look. Kinda like how Toriyama says that regular SSJ God looks possibly more powerful than SSJ God SSJ- it's only because red is a strong color though.

I have very few issues with GT. My first being the art style. It just seems really off to me. Secondly, GT gets bashed all the time, and yet fanmade sequels to GT, i.e. Absalon and the various interpretations of Dragon Ball AD, get a lot of praise. To me if you can't stand GT and its various differences from Z, then you shouldn't like things like AF and Absalon, whether they're better written or not, since it continues off of that GT storyline.

The other issue I have with it is that, well, it was too short. Looking back upon Battle of Gods, I've realized that what I love most about Dragon Ball is the way the story's usually told- dragged out! Yes, it can be annoying for some people but it's never been an issue for me. I like longer story arcs' it keeps my attention and puts me on the edge of my seat. The thrill of suspense is just exhilarating for me. Battle of Gods and Revival of F were too rushed imo and despite my annoyance at Toriyama constantly rewriting his own work (it makes him very inconsistent!), I like how DB Super is retelling the tale, and removing some of the ridiculousness from the movie's version of the story. I just wish that GT could be given a remake alongside of DB Super. That way, we can have a reason as to why SSJ God isn't in GT, and have a reason for Kibito Kai to come back into existence. But I doubt they will do anything to fix GT's flaws, which makes me a bit sad. At any rate I feel like Super is Toriyama's take on GT without actually rewriting GT from scratch.

[Xeztin]

Ah, finally, a thread that actually praises GT rather than saying it was plum awful!

I think the thing that people get worked up most about is how different it is from Toriyama's own work. People are always Hell-bent on saying "If Toriyama didn't make it, it's non-canon!" which really grinds my gears. I thought GT had some interesting ideas and designs, and the music wasn't too bad either. Ironically, even with DB Super now being a thing, GT is still the most consistent of the 4 anime series. Unfortunately, the writing, while a nice break from the Toriyama style, didn't always get everything right despite trying to stay more consistent than Z. There were some rehashes here and there but for the most part I enjoyed it very much. I thought Super Saiyan 4 was pretty unique. While I would have preferred it to be gold like the rest of the line, barring the new God forms, the red gives it a distinctive and powerful look. Kinda like how Toriyama says that regular SSJ God looks possibly more powerful than SSJ God SSJ- it's only because red is a strong color though.

I have very few issues with GT. My first being the art style. It just seems really off to me. Secondly, GT gets bashed all the time, and yet fanmade sequels to GT, i.e. Absalon and the various interpretations of Dragon Ball AD, get a lot of praise. To me if you can't stand GT and its various differences from Z, then you shouldn't like things like AF and Absalon, whether they're better written or not, since it continues off of that GT storyline.

The other issue I have with it is that, well, it was too short. Looking back upon Battle of Gods, I've realized that what I love most about Dragon Ball is the way the story's usually told- dragged out! Yes, it can be annoying for some people but it's never been an issue for me. I like longer story arcs' it keeps my attention and puts me on the edge of my seat. The thrill of suspense is just exhilarating for me. Battle of Gods and Revival of F were too rushed imo and despite my annoyance at Toriyama constantly rewriting his own work (it makes him very inconsistent!), I like how DB Super is retelling the tale, and removing some of the ridiculousness from the movie's version of the story. I just wish that GT could be given a remake alongside of DB Super. That way, we can have a reason as to why SSJ God isn't in GT, and have a reason for Kibito Kai to come back into existence. But I doubt they will do anything to fix GT's flaws, which makes me a bit sad. At any rate I feel like Super is Toriyama's take on GT without actually rewriting GT from scratch.

since Super takes place in the 10 year gap, I think it will go past the ending of DBZ, If GT isn't shown to be a universe previous to that, then Toriyama might do his own take on GT. Similar to how the movies are different from Super.

[successoroffate]

Ah, finally, a thread that actually praises GT rather than saying it was plum awful!

I think the thing that people get worked up most about is how different it is from Toriyama's own work. People are always Hell-bent on saying "If Toriyama didn't make it, it's non-canon!" which really grinds my gears. I thought GT had some interesting ideas and designs, and the music wasn't too bad either. Ironically, even with DB Super now being a thing, GT is still the most consistent of the 4 anime series. Unfortunately, the writing, while a nice break from the Toriyama style, didn't always get everything right despite trying to stay more consistent than Z. There were some rehashes here and there but for the most part I enjoyed it very much. I thought Super Saiyan 4 was pretty unique. While I would have preferred it to be gold like the rest of the line, barring the new God forms, the red gives it a distinctive and powerful look. Kinda like how Toriyama says that regular SSJ God looks possibly more powerful than SSJ God SSJ- it's only because red is a strong color though.

I have very few issues with GT. My first being the art style. It just seems really off to me. Secondly, GT gets bashed all the time, and yet fanmade sequels to GT, i.e. Absalon and the various interpretations of Dragon Ball AD, get a lot of praise. To me if you can't stand GT and its various differences from Z, then you shouldn't like things like AF and Absalon, whether they're better written or not, since it continues off of that GT storyline.

The other issue I have with it is that, well, it was too short. Looking back upon Battle of Gods, I've realized that what I love most about Dragon Ball is the way the story's usually told- dragged out! Yes, it can be annoying for some people but it's never been an issue for me. I like longer story arcs' it keeps my attention and puts me on the edge of my seat. The thrill of suspense is just exhilarating for me. Battle of Gods and Revival of F were too rushed imo and despite my annoyance at Toriyama constantly rewriting his own work (it makes him very inconsistent!), I like how DB Super is retelling the tale, and removing some of the ridiculousness from the movie's version of the story. I just wish that GT could be given a remake alongside of DB Super. That way, we can have a reason as to why SSJ God isn't in GT, and have a reason for Kibito Kai to come back into existence. But I doubt they will do anything to fix GT's flaws, which makes me a bit sad. At any rate I feel like Super is Toriyama's take on GT without actually rewriting GT from scratch.

since Super takes place in the 10 year gap, I think it will go past the ending of DBZ, If GT isn't shown to be a universe previous to that, then Toriyama might do his own take on GT. Similar to how the movies are different from Super.

I would love for Toriyama to do his own take of GT

[OkamiTakahashi]

Yes, I think we all would love to see Toriyama do GT. He could fix up what's broken, probably. Unless he breaks it even more with his constant retconning. But for now, Super will suffice. I mean when you think about it it really is GT without overwriting GT. It has powerful new enemies (naturally), new Super Saiyan forms, and is going to explore the universes. GT did all those too.

With these Super Saiyan God forms, it makes me wonder- how did Elder Kaioshin know about SSJ4 but not SSJ God? And why is SSJ4 so different? Is it supposed to be sort-of like SSJ God, only with a detectable ki? I honestly dunno anymore. I still think the designs are badass though.

I've been hearing some people say that Xenoverse claims GT was created via Future Trunks traveling through time, but that doesn't make sense to me personally. I believe Trunks was only referring to alternate timelines being created by going to the past to try and stop Cell.