DBZ: Possible crossover with Sonic?

[sangofe]

In a game, yes, I'd like Sonic and DBZ characters to be in the same game. But anime? No thank you.

[sangofe]

Dragon Ball more popular in Japan? I dunno, I know it is popular in its home country, but it's certainly quite popular over here in the US too.

Àfter Japan without a doubt DB is the most popular in the US.

- Travis

You got numbers from somewhere, Travis?

[Anime Kitten]

Yes, a crossover would be awesome. Comics and fanfics aside, it's never been done, and there's so many things stolen similarities. If only they would...

[Hellspawn28]

It would be funny if we got a Shadow and Cell fusion since the are both made to be the ultimate life form.

[sangofe]

According to this article, SEGA-Sammy was asking about what series Sonic could crossover with, and one of the options was DBZ. Now I know this is most likely talking about a game, but I was wondering if you would like to see DBZ crossover with Sonic, given the similarities? It might be possible if have an official poll asking a question like this.

Where can we vote, btw ?

[Anime Kitten]

It would be funny if we got a Shadow and Cell fusion since the are both made to be the ultimate life form.

Or at least a team-up. Yeah, I never thought of it that way.

Also, Sonic in Goku's gi would be awesome.

[B]

If we get a crossover, I'm going to bet that it will be another two bad guys teaming up type of crossover. Eggman and Gero team up then one of them turns against each other.

This reminds me that both Chikao Ohtsuka and Koji Yada have left us; this exact scenario would feel so weird with new actors.

[Lord Beerus]

Yuck, no thanks. If there is one franchise I don't want Dragon Ball to collaborate with, it's Sonic The Hedgehog. The Sonic The Hedgehog franchise is a shell of its former self and crossing over with Dragon Ball would be like trying to mix oil with water.

[dbzfan7]

Yuck, no thanks. If there is one franchise I don't want Dragon Ball to collaborate with, it's Sonic The Hedgehog. The Sonic The Hedgehog franchise is a shell of its former self and crossing over with Dragon Ball would be like trying to mix oil with water.

I'd say it's oil, mixed with gasoline, with one good lit match, in a preschool district.

[Zephyr]

Watching the fandoms explode would be hilarious though.

[Lord Beerus]

Yuck, no thanks. If there is one franchise I don't want Dragon Ball to collaborate with, it's Sonic The Hedgehog. The Sonic The Hedgehog franchise is a shell of its former self and crossing over with Dragon Ball would be like trying to mix oil with water.

I'd say it's oil, mixed with gasoline, with one good lit match, in a preschool district.

Hahahaha!

[Danfun64]

If DBZ wins this contest, it would provide fuel for a DBZ Abridged/Sonic F crossover xD

Slightly unrelated, by it would be interesting if someone made a counterpart to Super Mario Bros Z. Probably called Dragon Ball ZX. Just as SMBZ is a loose adaption of the Cell saga with Mario and Sonic characters, DBZX would be a loose adaption of Sonic X's Metarex saga, with a mixture of GT, Super, and Original.Characters. For example...

Spoiler:

Cosmo can be replaced with Gill, and by extension the Metarex could be replaced by some version of the Machine Mutants

[Super Sonic]

If we get a crossover, I'm going to bet that it will be another two bad guys teaming up type of crossover. Eggman and Gero team up then one of them turns against each other.

This reminds me that both Chikao Ohtsuka and Koji Yada have left us; this exact scenario would feel so weird with new actors.

That's kind of how I was when Mike Pollack took over after Deem Bristow passed. He's good, but in my view Deem Bristow was my favorite Eggman voice. Then again quite a few Sonic fans say that there hasn't been a bad Eggman/Robotnik voice.

Will agree that Sonic seems to be more liked in the States. Heck, "Sonic X" which a lot of folks I know said they couldn't tell if it simply suffered from a bad dub or was just a bad show did a lot better in the States than it did in Japan.

[dbzfan7]

DBZX would be a loose adaption of Sonic X's Metarex saga, with a mixture of GT, Super, and Original.Characters.

We've had enough retellings as is. I don't think we need Sonic's version of a worse Dragon Ball GT to be redone .

[Gyt Kaliba]

Considering my main liking for Sonic is the old SatAM cartoon, not super sure how interested I'd be in such a crossover. I'd give it a fair shot, but...

[Kunzait_83]

If I may.



Seriously, this goes on the same pile for me as stuff like Pokemon, Digimon, Yu Gi Oh, and so forth: the continued obsession with and viability of Sonic the Hedgehog as a cultural entity is one of the single most mystifying oddities in the world to me.

I mean... I liked that classic run of Sega Genesis games (and the one Sega CD game) at least. Those were and remain fun, perfectly solid 2D platformers. But everything else? The later games, the cartoons, the comics, the fanfiction, the general fixation on Sonic's "mythos" and "universe" (which is about as dense and worthwhile as Mario's: it may as well not exist, its a flimsy clothesline to hang a few sidescrollers on, there's no "there" there and there never was, etc.), the batshit online obsession. All of it. Everything. The whole "phenomenon" as it were. I don't get it. I've never gotten it, I never will.

The character had a decent run of games in the very early goings, but the fact that its had any sort of a life at all beyond that is one of the most singularly inexplicable things about fan culture across and throughout the 2000s. This is a franchise that hasn't produced a single solitary worthwhile piece of content since well before a giant chunk of its present fanbase was even born, or at least cognizant, and yet its become one of the most enduring and heated touchstones of the last couple of generations of geek culture.

I think Sonic has inspired a degree of heated, impassioned rage and debate across the internet that sometimes seems roughly comparable to any stated/active religious creed or political platform. That never ceases to utterly baffle and perplex me.

The real tragedy also of course is that Sega as a gaming entity is one of the most absurdly rich and rewarding in its incredible backlog of classic video game franchises (Shinobi, Golden Axe, Shining Force, Phantasy Star, Virtua Fighter, Streets of Rage, Oasis, Panzer Dragoon, Virtual On, Eternal Champions, Jet Set Radio, all their timelessly spectacular, medium-defining work alongside Treasure, and on and on and on...) nearly ALL of which are generally ignored and swept under the rug in favor of continually flogging out and obsessively fixating on JUST this one small, single tiny piece of it (which again, hasn't actually yielded anything remotely of worth in roughly the last 20 years or so of continuous content its produced).

Sega today is basically thought of and viewed all but solely and exclusively as "the people who make Sonic stuff happen", and that's SUCH a pointlessly reductive and narrow view of the incredible scope of their amazing history. Very frustrating.

But yeah, lets leave Sonic the hell out of anything DB-related. For all manner of obvious reasons, not the least of which being that beyond the whole Super Sonic thing and the bizarre overlap in fandoms, the two otherwise have NOTHING whatsoever to do with one another.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Seriously, this goes on the same pile for me as stuff like Pokemon, Digimon, Yu Gi Oh, and so forth: the continued obsession with and viability of Sonic the Hedgehog as a cultural entity is one of the single most mystifying oddities in the world to me.

Not to go too far off topic, but each of the two bolded things have, at least as far as I'm concerned, definitely earned their place in the culture of nerddom in the US (well, Pokemon more so with regular nerddom, Digimon more so with anime nerds specifically). The Pokemon games have had a few missteps here and there, but for the most part, each successive generation improves greatly upon the last, at least gameplay wise. They're just plain fun games to play, nice simple little RPG's that don't really take much focus while you're playing like say a Final Fantasy or a Persona or what have you would require. I can't say the same for the anime side of things, but the games? They hold up.

For Digimon, the complete opposite is true. The games have never really prospered or been very worthwhile (I had fun with a few older ones back in the day, but really the only one I'd really call 'good' is Cyber Sleuth). The various anime series' though, particularly the first four seasons, are all filled with far more heart than people generally give them credit for unless they've already witnessed them themselves. Yes, it's a kid's show, but the characters end up dealing with some actually adult and serious themes as they grow. These themes aren't always tied to fights or just there as an excuse to ramp up the drama of a fight either - it's actually pretty often the opposite, the fights stand on their own, and the issues are there to further the characters themselves.

I mean absolutely no offense, but it does definitely seem at times like you can't really wrap your head around things that people like if it's something that came after your own time as a youth. Which I can totally understand, at least to some degree - by the time some of the other kids' shows that were popular for a time here, like Medabots or Beyblade, or for a non anime example, Spongebob, were really taking off, I was no longer really looking to get into franchises like that. And by the time I did find myself perfectly okay with still checking out stuff thoroughly aimed at kids again (you know, ignoring the fact that a lot of the stuff I enjoyed straight through had always been aimed at kids in the first place), I just had no inclination to look into those things. But if a series is successful, and a large number of people like it, clearly it must be doing something right, even if not for us personally. That's how I've always chosen to look at things that do well and I just don't get them anyway.

It can definitely be depressing at times though. The fact that we're having to struggle to get a second Pacific Rim, and yet Hollywood is perfectly willing to give us Men in Black/22 Jump Street...well, that's enough about that.

[Daisetsu]

The amount of vitriol against Sonic is just... it's saddening, to say the least.

As for the topic at hand, while I would like to see Dragon Ball and Sonic crossover (fanboy's wet dream and all), I just don't see how it could be done properly. Cartoon, game or otherwise.

[Kunzait_83]

I mean absolutely no offense, but it does definitely seem at times like you can't really wrap your head around things that people like if it's something that came after your own time as a youth.

Completely incorrect. There's any number of immensely major kids' properties from well within my own time as a youth (Power Rangers, Transformers, G.I. Joe, anything Ninja Turtles that's outside the Mirage comics, etc.) that are complete and utter garbage: they were crap back then to me when I was a kid, and that hasn't changed one bit with time. And unlike a lot of younger fans of these things today, I was actually a kid of the exact ripe age for those kinds of shows, and I would NEVER even BEGIN to consider defending a damn single thing about any of them: I'd be at the front of the line to throw each and every one of them under the bus as absolutely worthless dogshit without the slightest hesitation.

If anything, I'm even more baffled that they have managed over time to hold any kind of sway with people younger than me who weren't even around back in their original heyday (where barely anyone outside of their core target demographic actually cared about any of them to begin with: a pet peeve of mine is when people define decades like the 80s and 90s in pop cultural terms solely by the stupid children's schlock that came out during that time).

Meanwhile by contrast, while I've certainly never been a fan of it myself, I at least mostly GET - to some degree at least - why something like Avatar: The Last Airbender (which first came out by the time I started college) can sort of turn into a thing across so many people. Again, its not for me by any means, but I at least can tangibly see why/how it works for others.

[Zephyr]

This is a franchise that hasn't produced a single solitary worthwhile piece of content since well before a giant chunk of its present fanbase was even born, or at least cognizant, and yet its become one of the most enduring and heated touchstones of the last couple of generations of geek culture.

While I agree with the rest of your post, Generations definitely has its merits (even if mostly as fanservice for fans of the classic games). I'd also argue that Adventure 2 (Battle) had some worthwhile stuff in the Chao Garden and multiplayer, which relegated the otherwise wholly mediocre character levels into minigames for Chao stuff and party games for Mario Party tier multiplayer drinking shenanigans (though the fact that you have to play the game inversely to its designed intentions, with the minigame being the focus and the main part being the supplement, could definitely be one more point on a mountain of points against it). Advance 1 and 2 were also pretty decent additions to the 2D series.