DBZ: Possible crossover with Sonic?

[Kid Buu]

According to this article, SEGA-Sammy was asking about what series Sonic could crossover with, and one of the options was DBZ. Now I know this is most likely talking about a game, but I was wondering if you would like to see DBZ crossover with Sonic, given the similarities? It might be possible if have an official poll asking a question like this.

[Chuquita]

I'm retired from Sonic, but I am aware of the whole "Yuji Naka had people send him taped Dragon Ball Z episodes overseas from Japan to the U.S. while he was working on Sonic 2 (or something like that)." in addition to the huge amount of Dragon Ball things that Sonic parodied in Sonic 3.

Honestly, I'd rather see a Nintendo crossover - even if they have done Nintendo/Sega crossovers before.

[Hellspawn28]

I think Sonic and Nintendo is more likely. However Sega and Namco Bandai have a good history with each other. So the idea is not totally impossible.

[dbzfan7]

Ugh no. God no. Keep their shitty jokes. Shitty direction. Shitty caricatures. Shitty everything away from Dragon Ball. I would have one time actually liked this idea, but now, fuck right off with Sonic. Unless Ian Flynn is the one representing the Sonic side, then at least the western quality has a better chance of not being garbage. Then again if it's kept Japanese people only, I'd have some hope. The western side would fuck this up bad if they let Pontac and Graff have their hands on it. If I hear the douchehog make one more shit joke, I'm gonna find a way to wring his neck somehow.

Hearing Junichi as Sonic playing off Masako as Goku would be pretty nice. But hearing Roger trying to play off Sean would just be gratting as all hell. Least Sean got better as Goku over time. It's been 6-8 years, and Roger just got worse over time. It's like listening to a parody Dorkly video, but there it's part of the joke.

[Bansho64]

dbzfan7 is right on the mark. The western side of the Sonic franchise has deteriorated so much that I don't think they should even begin to even think about a collab with Dragon Ball. If it was the Japanese side then I'd probably have a sliver of hope. Then again, it'd be nice if the western side of Sonic could finally get their crap together and bring back the older VAs and cut it out with the Sonic Boom crap. They should get Jun Senoue and Tomoya Ohtani to start composing again. My apologies if I sound like a crazy Sonic fanatic

[dbzfan7]

dbzfan7 is right on the mark. The western side of the Sonic franchise has deteriorated so much that I don't think they should even begin to even think about a collab with Dragon Ball. If it was the Japanese side then I'd probably have a sliver of hope. Then again, it'd be nice if the western side of Sonic could finally get their crap together and bring back the older VAs and cut it out with the Sonic Boom crap. They should get Jun Senoue and Tomoya Ohtani to start composing again. My apologies if I sound like a crazy Sonic fanatic

There's a reason I quit the Sonic forums. If there was absolutely nothing I like no more, and nothing good I could say, there was no reason to stay. That happened after Sonic Boom confirmed my fears. If anyone thought I was hard on Super, at least I could find plenty to like. I could probably find more in the F arc to like than Sonic lately, and I HATE THE F ARC. They'd probably Big the Cat the place up, like how the social media took that joke for a ride for 3 years. I'll take food jokes of Dragon Ball over that. At least they change it up somewhat.

I'd accept it if Toriyama were on board. The japanense side of Sonic had full control except for dubbing where we do need english directors. Pontac and Graff are kept as far away as possible from the project. Bill Frie whoever is also kept far away. A well utilized cast is used together, which actually both series have in common of failing at. Poor usage of cast. Half the current english Sonic Va's go away. Half are fine, the other half are terrible. Get rid of Roger especially. Just pay Ryan his damn money and don't offer him such a joke offer like last time. Kate was a great Tails while Colleen keeps on mixing her pitches constantly. A dignified Knuckles who's not retarded would be nice too. If Shadow's a must, get someone who's not trying to make the edgy meme a real thing with that voice.

Game wise it'd probably have to be something akin to a fighting game. Maybe Dynasty Warriors like. I can't imagine Dragon Ball working well in a platformer with how they can fly and pretty much turn the whole stage into a joke. I don't think a plain fighting game would be great either. To be honest these two series don't mix well for game possibilities.

[Hellspawn28]

Even if Sega and Namco Bandai agree to it, Shueisha would need to agree to it first. Sonic is more popular in the west than Japan. I don't know if the Japanese Sonic fandom is up for the idea of a DBZ crossover or not.

[dbzfan7]

Even if Sega and Namco Bandai agree to it, Shueisha would need to agree to it first. Sonic is more popular in the west than Japan. I don't know if the Japanese Sonic fandom is up for the idea of a DBZ crossover or not.

That's definitely true. Dragon Ball is more popular in Japan, but Sonic is more popular in the west. Honestly a nintendo character collab is probably the best thing to go with if I had to choose. I thought a Mario & Luigi game with Sonic in it could work. So long as the nintendo side gets to write and do the game. Though whenever there's more than Mario and Luigi to control in those games, they feel lackluster to the other titles in the series. Partners in Time I felt was a let down with 4 characters. Paper Jam also kinda feels like a let down too.

Dragon Ball wise they're just much harder to incorporate together. A fighting series and an a platforming series don't really mix well I think. Doesn't help I wouldn't trust the western branch with any control. They'd caricature everyone faster than you can say BOOM! Goku would be the super dumb fighter, even more than he is now. Vegeta would be a super angsty hot head who gets mad at everything.....again. Beerus would be even more obsessed with food than ever before, to the point he belches and gets fat, with some farts probably thrown in. Whis would be more stereotypical japanese probably. Gohan would be even more nerdy and incompetent since smarter brains equal physically inept for some reason. Chi Chi would....be exactly the same. Goten and Trunks would....be the same since they really don't do much, or their shenanigans would get even more grating. And I don't know the rest since the Sonic moto of today is exaggerate the shit out of a single character trait, and call that a character.

[B]

I just want to point out that Tomoya Ohtani never stopped composing music for Sonic. All he ever tweets about is Sonic Runners, and he's worked on all the "recent"(read: last ten years) games minus Sonic Boom, which is considered a spin-off series.

I don't know. Both series are old and have found themselves in this franchise-sustaining-self-aware-fuck-everything mode. DB's been dipping its toes in those waters since the Buu arc. It's too late for me personally to get excited about the idea, but I can't lie and say I would not watch this potential animation, or check out the potential cutscenes. If we are talking about a crossover video game, than I'd need confirmation it was any good before I bothered to play it.

And, uh, I wouldn't be watching/playing anything for such a crossover that wasn't in Japanese. Off the top of my head, Kanemaru was in GT for like, a few seconds, as the loudspeaker voice in the Soguroku Space(GT sure was weird), and both he and Nozawa were in Pokémon Advanced Generation, but many episodes(and trainer classes) apart. They both play major characters in Digimon Tamers, but I'm 99% certain Ryo and Guilmon do not speak to each other.

[dbzfan7]

I don't know. Both series are old and have found themselves in this franchise-sustaining-self-aware-fuck-everything mode. DB's been dipping its toes in those waters since the Buu arc. It's too late for me personally to get excited about the idea, but I can't lie and say I would not watch this potential animation, or check out the potential cutscenes. If we are talking about a crossover video game, than I'd need confirmation it was any good before I bothered to play it.

The day Dragon Ball is as fuck everything as Sonic is, is the day I quit Dragon Ball. If I see the characters all give up their motivations and do fuck all or If I hear Goku say anything like "Eh what's the point in fighting. I'm gonna win anyways? I always win in the end so who cares.", then I walk out of Kanzenshuu and Dragon Ball. I don't think they'll ever be that bad. Goku's always excited and embracing a situation. I never want to see a Dragon Ball where they reject their world and logic.

Though damn I never new Junichi worked on Digimon Tamers. I knew Masako did. I call Dukemon, Gokumon for a reason. I think those two could have some cool chemistry as Goku and Sonic. At least when Sonic is written well. I can't imagine Goku working off a dark black hole of personality like Sonic is now. He'd just try to suck out all the excitement Goku has for pretty much any new confrontation. I could see Gohan and Tails at least hitting it off, even in the current era. They're about the only two I see chemistry wise working.

[Chuquita]

I know my younger self would've been heartbroken over what they did to Knuckles in that redesign, not to mention the lawsuit that happened to the comics years and years back that landed I think all of the other echidnas sans Knuckles in a version of the dead zone. I'd dropped the comic ages before and only found out about the lawsuit years after it was settled, but that complete wipe ensured that I wouldn't go back because I couldn't go back because they can't bring any of those guys back because of what that one writer who created those characters did.

[dbzfan7]

I know my younger self would've been heartbroken over what they did to Knuckles in that redesign, not to mention the lawsuit that happened to the comics years and years back that landed I think all of the other echidnas sans Knuckles in a version of the dead zone. I'd dropped the comic ages before and only found out about the lawsuit years after it was settled, but that complete wipe ensured that I wouldn't go back because I couldn't go back because they can't bring any of those guys back because of what that one writer who created those characters did.

A redesign is one thing. A bastardization of character is another. Imagine if Goku instead of the giddy excitement he gets for a new opponent, just suddenly went "Eh I'm the strongest guy around. It's not like anyone can beat me anyways. I'm gonna go eat some more of Chi Chi's cooking. I'm already the best." Heck his interaction with Vegeta would pretty much be "Why do you bother fighting me Vegeta. I always end up beating and surpassing you anyways. It's not even fun fighting you anymore." That's essentially what'd happen if Pontac and Graff wrote them. Redesigns can suck, but as long as the heart and soul of the character lives, it's not that bad of a thing.

[Chuquita]

I know my younger self would've been heartbroken over what they did to Knuckles in that redesign, not to mention the lawsuit that happened to the comics years and years back that landed I think all of the other echidnas sans Knuckles in a version of the dead zone. I'd dropped the comic ages before and only found out about the lawsuit years after it was settled, but that complete wipe ensured that I wouldn't go back because I couldn't go back because they can't bring any of those guys back because of what that one writer who created those characters did.

A redesign is one thing. A bastardization of character is another. Imagine if Goku instead of the giddy excitement he gets for a new opponent, just suddenly went "Eh I'm the strongest guy around. It's not like anyone can beat me anyways. I'm gonna go eat some more of Chi Chi's cooking. I'm already the best." Heck his interaction with Vegeta would pretty much be "Why do you bother fighting me Vegeta. I always end up beating and surpassing you anyways. It's not even fun fighting you anymore." That's essentially what'd happen if Pontac and Graff wrote them. Redesigns can suck, but as long as the heart and soul of the character lives, it's not that bad of a thing.

I'm so out of the loop with what's going on with Sonic outside of whenever Crunchyroll's news feed covers something related to it that I have no clue what the current characterizations are. I could answer comics stuff from years and years ago, but I don't have a clue what's going on with the franchise at present outside of the designs/art-style. It's been easily 5 or 6 years since I was even semi-up-to-date on Sonic.

Knuckles is an apathetic-strongest character now? That's even more disappointment.

[dbzfan7]

I know my younger self would've been heartbroken over what they did to Knuckles in that redesign, not to mention the lawsuit that happened to the comics years and years back that landed I think all of the other echidnas sans Knuckles in a version of the dead zone. I'd dropped the comic ages before and only found out about the lawsuit years after it was settled, but that complete wipe ensured that I wouldn't go back because I couldn't go back because they can't bring any of those guys back because of what that one writer who created those characters did.

A redesign is one thing. A bastardization of character is another. Imagine if Goku instead of the giddy excitement he gets for a new opponent, just suddenly went "Eh I'm the strongest guy around. It's not like anyone can beat me anyways. I'm gonna go eat some more of Chi Chi's cooking. I'm already the best." Heck his interaction with Vegeta would pretty much be "Why do you bother fighting me Vegeta. I always end up beating and surpassing you anyways. It's not even fun fighting you anymore." That's essentially what'd happen if Pontac and Graff wrote them. Redesigns can suck, but as long as the heart and soul of the character lives, it's not that bad of a thing.

I'm so out of the loop with what's going on with Sonic outside of whenever Crunchyroll's news feed covers something related to it that I have no clue what the current characterizations are. I could answer comics stuff from years and years ago, but I don't have a clue what's going on with the franchise at present outside of the designs/art-style. It's been easily 5 or 6 years since I was even semi-up-to-date on Sonic.

Knuckles is an apathetic-strongest character now? That's even more disappointment.

He's just either really really dumb, or really really useless. His strength is utterly worthless. It's not used meaningfully most of the time. Though really, everyone is really really useless except for blue boy. Even the villains are useless losers. It's like if you thought Goku Time of GT was too much, imagine if all his foes also were pretty pathetic and not a threat. That's what you'd see now a days. It's one big fish swimming in a tiny pond.

I worry far more about character personality/usage, than a redesign. Even the Conker redesign while ugly, would be tolerable if he kept his charm and personality. Which doesn't seem to be the case, so it's gonna suck real hard for that holo whatever thing. Same with the Titans, but they're also annoying.

I can already imagine all the horror that would befall Toriyama's lovely characters if he allowed them to be touched by those self deprecating, awful hands. It'd make Dragon Ball Evolution characterizations more tolerable than whatever Pontac and Graff could come up with.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Please keep this kind of stuff in the realm of fanfiction... (not that fanfiction can't be good, of course)

[Kid Buu]

Dragon Ball is more popular in Japan, but Sonic is more popular in the west.

Dragon Ball more popular in Japan? I dunno, I know it is popular in its home country, but it's certainly quite popular over here in the US too.

As for Sonic, it's hard to gauge. His games were the best selling games on the Mega Drive and Dreamcast in Japan, but the only Sega console that sold well there was the Saturn, which didn't really have any main Sonic games on it.

[Zephyr]

Having only watched some episodes of Boom that a friend told me were the most essential, and not having played the games, I don't really mind how Boom portrays Knuckles. Gets plenty of laughs from me. They've been playing the "oh no, Knuckles got duped...again!" card for a long time (the only ones that I remember clearly are S3K and SA1 where Knuckles is tricked, but I'm certain that there were more instances of this pre-Boom). It seems more than anything else like they're picking out one aspect of his character, and flanderizing the hell out of it. Not too much unlike what Super's doing. That said, I think SA1 was responsible for flanderizing the hell out of Sonic's character: his coolness. In the classic games, Sonic was cool by demonstration. He didn't need to tell us that he was cool; we could very easily tell. From Adventure onward, Sonic has to remind us through his words, at far too many moments, rather than through his actions, just how damn cool he is. I could see someone argue that Boom Knuckles is a much more extreme flanderization than Adventure Sonic, but I guess for myself it's still an enjoyable flanderization. I like Boom Knuckles, and I like Super Goku and Vegeta (well enough); Adventure Sonic clicked with me at one point in my youth, but he doesn't anymore.

I guess what I'm saying is that Boom Knuckles is definitely not accurate to his more general character depiction, that doesn't mean it can't be enjoyable and that it isn't making reference to a core dimension of Knuckles' character (in his very first appearance, he was, at least partly, "that guy who got tricked by Eggman".

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As for a Sonic/DB crossover?

Gameplay:
If you made it set circa the 22nd-23rd Tenkaichi Budokais, and gave it the Unleashed/Generations "boost to win" gameplay style, it could be pretty fun. Integrate some sort of fast paced third person beat 'em up combat gameplay, and you might have a solid DB game in its own right. Maybe. Oh, and throw in multiplayer, because multiplayer's good. Also multiplayer in Generations style levels would be sweet.

Story
Don't really care what the story is, I'll ignore it during the game, and then speculate over it after the game is completed. The writing for Sonic games hasn't been subtle enough since the 90's, and the writing for DB isn't going to be mindblowingly innovative any time in the future (my speculation), so there's really not much I'd gain from a crossover besides the headcanon crafting. I would have the benefit of this headcanon crafting regardless of the potentially dubious quality of the stories execution. It could be very rudimentary: Sonic and friends are pulled into the Dragon World, and Goku and his entourage are pulled to "Mobius"/Sonic's Earth. Have each "side's" story take place in the other's dimension. They think they're enemies, they fight, they team up, they fight bad guy, they beat bad guy, they win. Seeing Ian Flynn and Toyotaro join forces for a manga/comic crossover thing could be pretty awesome.

Audio
Sumitomo's score has consistently reminded me of random video game music, so I guess it might be more at home here. I'd still rather keep Sonic Team in charge of the score; see if they can reasonably imitate and adapt some Kikuchi stuff in their own style. Like how there were "Modern" and "Classic" remixes of Sonic songs in Generations, we could see all of the most iconic Kikuchi pieces remixed to go with the gameplay. If they want to maximize the fanservice (pull a Generations), they could also have fan favorites from the Faulconer and Sumitomo scores (you would have to mod in the Yamamoto score, since there's no chance they'd put his music in a new release).

[Saikyo no Senshi]

Dragon Ball more popular in Japan? I dunno, I know it is popular in its home country, but it's certainly quite popular over here in the US too.

Àfter Japan without a doubt DB is the most popular in the US.

- Travis

[coola]

Older Sonic Cartoon was techically Looney Tunes like show, so i would see cross over with that, also, if they made Mario and Sonic games, made platform game not just these olympic related games Of course the best option for me from Sega, would be to let Sonic go for a while, and use their other series

[Hellspawn28]

If we get a crossover, I'm going to bet that it will be another two bad guys teaming up type of crossover. Eggman and Gero team up then one of them turns against each other.