Vegeta family > Goku family in terms of character development

[HeroR]

Counting with Super/GT, it's not a competition because the other three from Goku's family are terribly written.

Chichi is more annoying than ever.
Gohan is trash, that doesn't get stronger to protect his own family despite what happened with Freeza in ROF. His brain could still be useful to the plot like Bulma's even though he doesn't want to fight, but not even that.
Goten is...Where's Goten?!

Just with DB/DBZ, I guess it's a tie.

Chi-Chi has been reasonably for awhile and shows care for Goku. She was only unreasonable in the breather episodes.

There is nothing in showing that Gohan has stopped training after the Reserrection 'F' Saga and he wasn't aware that Trunks was in danger. His world also isn't in danger, so he isn't protecting his family by helping Trunks.

[precita]

I liked Goten in the Buu arc, but in Super he's a non-entity. Really disappointing to say the least.

[GodKaio-Ken]

Considering this arc is about Future Trunks and by extent his family it makes sense they would receive more development this arc.

Bulma was an established main character before Vegeta ever appeared while Chi-Chi was not a main character of the show and never displayed any useful (to the show) talents before marrying Goku. However in this arc we did finally see her want Goku to fight when she learns Black killed a version of Goten and that in itself was a huge development. Chi-Chi in my opinion was never supposed to be a developed and liked character. Her role, again IMO, has always been to be the opposite of what you'd suppose Goku would go for and provide humor.

Kid Trunks still hasn't developed in any meaningful way. He hasn't really changed or done much differently and only had one meaningful scene which lasted all of 30 seconds with his future self on screen.

Vegeta has been in a constant state of change and development since his flee to Namek in Z. We see him develop more because he's gone from one end of the spectrum to the other while Goku doesn't need to change in such drastic ways.

So I kind of agree with the premise but I believe it's simply due to this arc being about Future Trunks and the characters established roles in the story.

[Cetra]

Well, criticising Goku's family is a bit of a running gag. Yes, Bulma's family seems more developed, especially as both Bulma and Vegeta are some of the more important characters, so when it comes to that I easily agree but it is not like what we have seen of characters like Gohan is gone. There could be more family interaction but it is not non-existent. Vegeta would probably not get that much attention if it would not be hilarious how he is compared to the extreme opposite he was.

[HeroR]

Well, criticising Goku's family is a bit of a running gag. Yes, Bulma's family seems more developed, especially as both Bulma and Vegeta are some of the more important characters, so when it comes to that I easily agree but it is not like what we have seen of characters like Gohan is gone. There could be more family interaction but it is not non-existent. Vegeta would probably not get that much attention if it would not be hilarious how he is compared to the extreme opposite he was.

Bulma hasn't really developed since the end of the original Dragon Ball. She's still a jerk with a heart of gold and a bit of a spoil brat. Her character hasn't change. Even Chi-Chi changed more than her. She went from being against Goku and Gohan fighting, to training Goten and wanting Gohan to train, to being more harsh on Goku to work, but still letting Goten have fun with Trunks, to being mad that Goku didn't beat up the person who killed a version of her son.

Most of the character development in Bulma's family goes to Vegeta and Future Trunks. Everyone else is pretty much the same.

[Cetra]

That Bulma still has the same core elements does not mean anything. Pretty much every human being tends to remain the same when it comes to the core and most people only change the outer layers of their person and when it comes to that there was enough that she changed. The show just tends to highlight what the characters are well known for but that does not mean the other layers are not there.

[HeroR]

That Bulma still has the same core elements does not mean anything. Pretty much every human being tends to remain the same when it comes to the core and most people only change the outer layers of their person and when it comes to that there was enough that she changed. The show just tends to highlight what the characters are well known for but that does not mean the other layers are not there.

That still doesn't change the fact that Bulma hasn't developed past the person she was by the end of original Dragon Ball. Vegeta still has a lot of his core elements along with Gohan, and they went through a lot of changes. Future Trunks keep a lot of his core elements, but you see him change throughout the arc, both in the Android and Future Trunks Saga.

[PsionicWarrior]

Where is the Chi Chi from original DB?

Oh man I agree so much with you, she was already a pain in Z but in Super she breaks all records.

And same for his "childish" stupidness which is potrayed in Super even more. I want some serious Goku back and not just the I want to fight Goku

I liked how Goku was in DB and in Z, even in GT was alright, Super just misses the mark by a thousand miles and clearly on purpose lol

As for Gohan and Goten, no idea why this happened.

[DBZAOTA482]

Well, criticising Goku's family is a bit of a running gag. Yes, Bulma's family seems more developed, especially as both Bulma and Vegeta are some of the more important characters, so when it comes to that I easily agree but it is not like what we have seen of characters like Gohan is gone. There could be more family interaction but it is not non-existent. Vegeta would probably not get that much attention if it would not be hilarious how he is compared to the extreme opposite he was.

Bulma hasn't really developed since the end of the original Dragon Ball. She's still a jerk with a heart of gold and a bit of a spoil brat. Her character hasn't change. Even Chi-Chi changed more than her. She went from being against Goku and Gohan fighting, to training Goten and wanting Gohan to train, to being more harsh on Goku to work, but still letting Goten have fun with Trunks, to being mad that Goku didn't beat up the person who killed a version of her son.

Most of the character development in Bulma's family goes to Vegeta and Future Trunks. Everyone else is pretty much the same.

I reckon Bulma has changed ever since motherhood, though Super's channeling back some of OG Dragon Ball.

Also Chi-Chi was never against Goku fighting in the original series. She knew he was about that life.

Considering this arc is about Future Trunks and by extent his family it makes sense they would receive more development this arc.

Bulma was an established main character before Vegeta ever appeared while Chi-Chi was not a main character of the show and never displayed any useful (to the show) talents before marrying Goku. However in this arc we did finally see her want Goku to fight when she learns Black killed a version of Goten and that in itself was a huge development. Chi-Chi in my opinion was never supposed to be a developed and liked character. Her role, again IMO, has always been to be the opposite of what you'd suppose Goku would go for and provide humor.

Kid Trunks still hasn't developed in any meaningful way. He hasn't really changed or done much differently and only had one meaningful scene which lasted all of 30 seconds with his future self on screen.

Vegeta has been in a constant state of change and development since his flee to Namek in Z. We see him develop more because he's gone from one end of the spectrum to the other while Goku doesn't need to change in such drastic ways.

So I kind of agree with the premise but I believe it's simply due to this arc being about Future Trunks and the characters established roles in the story.

Super's been throwing Goku's family under a bus for Vegeta's family since day 1.

Also I disagree. Chi-Chi could've been part of the Z-Warriors easily at Krillin or Tien level... heck, any direction taken with her character would be better than how Toei is handling her currently.

[spoiler]Though the fandom probably don't want her having shit.[/spoiler]

[DragonBallFoodie]

Well, think of Goku and Vegeta as the gag dude and the straight man. The straight guy will have more room for character development than the guy making jokes or being totally awesome.

This is true for their families too. Chi-Chi is a nagging housewife while Bulma was adventurous and smart, Goten is a footnote while Trunks has developed from encountering his future self, and Gohan actually matured into a strong and responsible person who could be his (if I recall correctly he was meant to succeed and surpass Goku, but Akira Toriyama was too fond of Goku and so brought him back.)

[Yomi]

Of course, anyone can give hyperbole on why one side sucks and the other is vastly superior, someone could come in and make an opposite thread, with arguments as convincing as yours.

[Yomi]

Where is the Chi Chi from original DB?

Oh man I agree so much with you, she was already a pain in Z but in Super she breaks all records.

What has Chi Chi done in Super that comes close to "HIS STUDIES ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE EARTH!!!!" Like come on.

In Super the most extreme thing I've seen is her, wanting Goku to stay at home and on the farm instead of going away for months to train with a gay angel.
When Goten tried to go to the action she said he had a test tomorrow so he has to stay home. She lied about spending 100 million Zeni to keep Goku at home.
Let's see... what else... She wants Pan to be a Girly Girl, but then backed off when Videl told her and Hercule that they don't get to decide.

There's just as many, if not more, sweet scenes with her. It's not like she's a bitch 24/7 and even then, her motives are completely sympathetic.
Even after trying to stop Goku from going off to train again. 2 seconds later she had a big grin and said "That's my Goku, he'll come back when he's hungry."

She showed Great concern for him when he had Relapsed Ki Disorder, When he lost in the tournament she jumped down and hugged him, then made a fighting stance at Frost when he came over, she's seen countless times Making mountains of food for Goku. I don't get where all the Chi Chi hate comes from when objectively she's been FAR worst, she was probably her best back in DB.

[PsionicWarrior]

Well, it's more specifically the repetition on Goten, it's basically established he won't grow a fighter and study like his big ol' brother Einstein lol

[GodKaio-Ken]

Well, criticising Goku's family is a bit of a running gag. Yes, Bulma's family seems more developed, especially as both Bulma and Vegeta are some of the more important characters, so when it comes to that I easily agree but it is not like what we have seen of characters like Gohan is gone. There could be more family interaction but it is not non-existent. Vegeta would probably not get that much attention if it would not be hilarious how he is compared to the extreme opposite he was.

Bulma hasn't really developed since the end of the original Dragon Ball. She's still a jerk with a heart of gold and a bit of a spoil brat. Her character hasn't change. Even Chi-Chi changed more than her. She went from being against Goku and Gohan fighting, to training Goten and wanting Gohan to train, to being more harsh on Goku to work, but still letting Goten have fun with Trunks, to being mad that Goku didn't beat up the person who killed a version of her son.

Most of the character development in Bulma's family goes to Vegeta and Future Trunks. Everyone else is pretty much the same.

I reckon Bulma has changed ever since motherhood, though Super's channeling back some of OG Dragon Ball.

Also Chi-Chi was never against Goku fighting in the original series. She knew he was about that life.

Considering this arc is about Future Trunks and by extent his family it makes sense they would receive more development this arc.

Bulma was an established main character before Vegeta ever appeared while Chi-Chi was not a main character of the show and never displayed any useful (to the show) talents before marrying Goku. However in this arc we did finally see her want Goku to fight when she learns Black killed a version of Goten and that in itself was a huge development. Chi-Chi in my opinion was never supposed to be a developed and liked character. Her role, again IMO, has always been to be the opposite of what you'd suppose Goku would go for and provide humor.

Kid Trunks still hasn't developed in any meaningful way. He hasn't really changed or done much differently and only had one meaningful scene which lasted all of 30 seconds with his future self on screen.

Vegeta has been in a constant state of change and development since his flee to Namek in Z. We see him develop more because he's gone from one end of the spectrum to the other while Goku doesn't need to change in such drastic ways.

So I kind of agree with the premise but I believe it's simply due to this arc being about Future Trunks and the characters established roles in the story.

Super's been throwing Goku's family under a bus for Vegeta's family since day 1.

Also I disagree. Chi-Chi could've been part of the Z-Warriors easily at Krillin or Tien level... heck, any direction taken with her character would be better than how Toei is handling her currently.

[spoiler]Though the fandom probably don't want her having shit.[/spoiler]

We are talking about what they could have done with her. A writer can do anything with any character...but they choose the one they want for said character and the best we can do is guess why they chose that route.

[DBZAOTA482]

What has Chi Chi done in Super that comes close to "HIS STUDIES ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE EARTH!!!!" Like come on.

By showing that similar attitude in episode 49 only for no real reason other than "This is Super so we can't write characters outside their most basic traits". Also, like you said she lied about spending all the that money Mr. Satan gave them just so Goku can be her slave and keep Goten in that fancy school. It's especially bad when you consider she blatantly threatened to kick Goku's ass because he was doing what he lives for... scaring him to the point where he chose to starve outside rather than deal with her and nearly broke his arm when he tried to leave with Whis so he can train but accepts it only when he actually leaves like she knew him like that all along.

The scene where she runs to Goku's aid is probably the only non-shit moment she's had in Super so far.... at least with Goku.

[Lord Beerus]

What has Chi Chi done in Super that comes close to "HIS STUDIES ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE EARTH!!!!" Like come on.

By showing that similar attitude in episode 49 only for no real reason other than "This is Super so we can't write characters outside their most basic traits". Also, like you said she lied about spending all the that money Mr. Satan gave them just so Goku can be her slave and keep Goten in that fancy school. It's especially bad when you consider she blatantly threatened to kick Goku's ass because he was doing what he lives for... scaring him to the point where he chose to starve outside rather than deal with her and nearly broke his arm when he tried to leave with Whis so he can train but accepts it only when he actually leaves like she knew him like that all along.

The scene where she runs to Goku's aid is probably the only non-shit moment she's had in Super so far.... at least with Goku.

...I spent a good one hour thinking how the hell Chi Chi could break Goku's arm.

[Yomi]

The scene where she runs to Goku's aid is probably the only non-shit moment she's had in Super so far.... at least with Goku.

she's had tons of more scenes than that, and he was saying "Z was okay, but Super just went tooooo far" I'm asking, how is she irredeemably worst in Super than she was in Z? just seems like people throw out these hyperbole's when talking about super all the time.

[DBZAOTA482]

The scene where she runs to Goku's aid is probably the only non-shit moment she's had in Super so far.... at least with Goku.

she's had tons of more scenes than that, and he was saying "Z was okay, but Super just went tooooo far" I'm asking, how is she irredeemably worst in Super than she was in Z? just seems like people throw out these hyperbole's when talking about super all the time.

Dude was saying "She was annoying in Z but fucking insufferable in Super".

She did also show concern for Goku when he had the ki sickness... which didn't last long because she was shit throughout the rest of the episode and every time they try something with her my mind just flashes back to that scene in the opening where she was yelling at Goku and Goten over some dumb shit making faces that wouldn't be out of place in One Piece, let's me know it won't last long as they'll keep writing her as shit.

What has Chi Chi done in Super that comes close to "HIS STUDIES ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE EARTH!!!!" Like come on.

By showing that similar attitude in episode 49 only for no real reason other than "This is Super so we can't write characters outside their most basic traits". Also, like you said she lied about spending all the that money Mr. Satan gave them just so Goku can be her slave and keep Goten in that fancy school. It's especially bad when you consider she blatantly threatened to kick Goku's ass because he was doing what he lives for... scaring him to the point where he chose to starve outside rather than deal with her and nearly broke his arm when he tried to leave with Whis so he can train but accepts it only when he actually leaves like she knew him like that all along.

The scene where she runs to Goku's aid is probably the only non-shit moment she's had in Super so far.... at least with Goku.

...I spent a good one hour thinking how the hell Chi Chi could break Goku's arm.

Technique thumps power.

[Yomi]

Dude was saying "She was annoying in Z but fucking insufferable in Super".

She did also show concern for Goku when he had the ki sickness... which didn't last long because she was shit throughout the rest of the episode and every time they try something with her my mind just flashes back to that scene in the opening where she was yelling at Goku and Goten over some dumb shit making faces that wouldn't be out of place in One Piece, let's me know it won't last long as they'll keep writing her as shit.

He said she used to be a pain but somehow broke all her previous limits in Super, I'm asking what has she done that's soooo much worst?
How is it limit breaking in Super, yet a mild annoyance in Z when it's the same stuff?

[DBZAOTA482]

Dude was saying "She was annoying in Z but fucking insufferable in Super".

She did also show concern for Goku when he had the ki sickness... which didn't last long because she was shit throughout the rest of the episode and every time they try something with her my mind just flashes back to that scene in the opening where she was yelling at Goku and Goten over some dumb shit making faces that wouldn't be out of place in One Piece, let's me know it won't last long as they'll keep writing her as shit.

He said she used to be a pain but somehow broke all her previous limits in Super, I'm asking what has she done that's soooo much worst?
How is it limit breaking in Super, yet a mild annoyance in Z when it's the same stuff?

When she tried to make Goku her slave despite knowing martial arts is what his life passion, tried to dictate how her eldest son should raise his own child, and pushing Goten to study in an arguably crueler extent than Gohan.

The only similarity is the education mama tendencies which were mostly minor in the manga and practically phased out in the Majin Boo Saga where she's more lenient about her children training.