Something About Goku Black *Huge Spoiler*

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Re: Something About Goku Black *Huge Spoiler*

Post by UpFromTheSkies » Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:48 am

It looks like it's SSG color, probably because he's a Kaioshin and has God ki. It makes sense to me. He'll probably quickly transform to blue, though.

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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:55 am

SSJ God Gogeta wrote:Yeah, not really not a fan of this... My only hope is that this form is Black's version of Bluper Saiyan and not another evolution of SSJG that Vegeta & Goku will one day obtain just because... Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan?
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Doubt it if this turns out to be true for the anime then I suspect like SSGSSKK it's another way to give Goku a new form without directly giving him a new form. With SSG looking so similar I doubt Goku or Vegeta would obtain it seems like it may just be specific for Black only. Not a fan either but hopefully it grows on me like Golden Freeza did.

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Re: Something About Goku Black *Huge Spoiler*

Post by Brettjr25 » Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:15 am

Um...so does this mean that Gogeta is making his way to the anime and that they will fuse to fight Black?

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Post by Alruneia » Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:42 am

Brettjr25 wrote:Um...so does this mean that Gogeta is making his way to the anime and that they will fuse to fight Black?
I wouldn't say so, no. Besides, shouldn't Gogeta be Super Saiyan Blue, in that case?
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Re: Something About Goku Black *Huge Spoiler*

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:00 am

Brettjr25 wrote:Um...so does this mean that Gogeta is making his way to the anime and that they will fuse to fight Black?
Doubtful. These art card thingys look to be random. Vegeta is in his "F" outfit Goku is using SSG. Plus Broly etc are on the other samples they showed.

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Post by jplaya2023 » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:35 am

So does this mean Gogeta will be in Super and will be canon now?

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Post by namekiansaiyan » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:42 am

jplaya2023 wrote:so does this mean gogeta will be in super and will be canon now?
Nothing confirmed it is just merchandise.

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Post by TheMikado » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:20 am

dbzfan7 wrote:Defying expectations? This is exactly what I expected from Toriyama. Not the colour, but the recolour aspect was completely expected. It's not special or thought provoking in any way, shape, or form. Fart out a colour of an established look, and there, new form. Easy. The most it got out of me was a sigh. I don't expect creativity now a days, so this is nothing new at all.

Also now it even closer mirrors the whole AF/Sprite/Fan Evil Goku thing we've had for years.
Yeah exactly, the worse part is its even MORE similar to an established fan fiction. It's like they read it and said this sounds good, let's just use a lot of this material so we don't have to worry about being as creative ... :( . Cell defied expectations. An enemy that pretty much ate other powerful enemies to become even stronger? Yeah that's pretty great and just the concept alone sounds menacing. Anyway, I'm more interested in what's up with Gogeta.

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Post by fadeddreams5 » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:28 am

Nothing's up with Gogeta. There are other stickers of that sort featuring Broly too. =P
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Post by Sodhi » Thu Jul 28, 2016 11:16 am

These are just "official" art of characters from Bandai. Other than pink hair, dont expect anything else there to happen in Super

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Post by GodVegetto91 » Thu Jul 28, 2016 11:22 am

Nejishiki wrote:Beerus himself trained to reach that plateau of strength, so is it any wonder a talented Saiyan could familiarize himself with some of Whis' philosophies? Personally, I didn't need an explanation because I figured the answer was a given before Dragon Ball Super, but it looks like we can't be satisfied whether official material elaborates or not. :lol:
Well it was definitely not in accord with Battle Of Gods where it was pretty much stated that Goku could never reach that level "on his own" and how he hated having to steal power from the others. In fact SSJ God far outtrumps even fusions like Vegetto. If Vegeta could solely achieve power surpassing all that, it's not logical at all. But Toei and Toriyama apparantly aren't in the bussiness of having to explain themselves and entertain people. They're here to make money regardless of wheter something makes sense or not.

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Post by Nejishiki » Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:25 pm

GodVegetto91 wrote:
Nejishiki wrote:Beerus himself trained to reach that plateau of strength, so is it any wonder a talented Saiyan could familiarize himself with some of Whis' philosophies? Personally, I didn't need an explanation because I figured the answer was a given before Dragon Ball Super, but it looks like we can't be satisfied whether official material elaborates or not. :lol:
Well it was definitely not in accord with Battle Of Gods where it was pretty much stated that Goku could never reach that level "on his own" and how he hated having to steal power from the others. In fact SSJ God far outtrumps even fusions like Vegetto. If Vegeta could solely achieve power surpassing all that, it's not logical at all. But Toei and Toriyama apparantly aren't in the bussiness of having to explain themselves and entertain people. They're here to make money regardless of wheter something makes sense or not.
That's easily settled. Goku is correct, he could never reach that status alone, hence Vegeta needing assistance from Whis to reach that ceiling of power. Both Goku and Vegeta work to learn the properties of god ki for themselves. I think that's pretty in-line with their current character developments. That would be adopting new teachings to strengthen themselves. Goku was already a practitioner of this, but Vegeta approaching martial arts this way is quite new, previously training alone with Future Trunks and then actually training with his younger son. This time, he sought out a teacher that was better than him. You'd be hard pressed to see him do something like that in older story arcs. I don't think this is a case of the story being nonsensical, but rather unwillingness to connect the dots. There are tidbits here and there that doesn't make this conclusion too wild, I think. Everything doesn't have to be a marketing ploy with disrespect towards the art.

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Post by WittyUsername » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:21 pm

I think I would have preferred not giving him a transformation. This kind of strikes me as fan-fic material. At the very least, did they really have to make his hair pink? It just looks bizarre with the dark colored outfit.

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Post by samuo2 » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:23 pm

Yup, I think it doesn't match at all with his outfit.

But maybe the colors of the stickers are a bit more dark than they will be in the anime. Waiting the definitive anime palette before a final opinion, but not hyped about this..

He was so charismatic in a "base form" with his black hair to highlight his outfit, simple but effective, too bad..
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Post by omaro34 » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:29 pm

Hair color never really mattered to me. As long as its a good fight. We'll see where they take this. Thanks for sharing, much appreciated.
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Post by ArchedThunder » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:41 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:This is fucking terrible. Pink clashes horribly with his clothes. If they wanted a brighter color, why not purple? It blends better and is more of an anti-blue.

Personally, I would have loved white hair, as in the fanart, or black. Yes, black. He's Goku Black. Why not just have him obtain SSJ hair without a color change (besides maybe red or white eyes to distinguish it from false SSJ)?
Pink goes with Black actually....

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Post by Anime Kitten » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:42 pm

My initial response (courtesy of Lord Beerus):
[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]

My further response:
I really like it. It's a really good idea, and I don't think anyone would have seen it coming in weeks. I hope Black defeats Goku in a fair fight (Pink VS Blue), and Vegeta doesn't really matter to me.
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Post by TheMikado » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:45 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:My initial response (courtesy of Lord Beerus):
[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]

My further response:
I really like it. It's a really good idea, and I don't think anyone would have seen it coming in weeks. I hope Black defeats Goku in a fair fight (Pink VS Blue), and Vegeta doesn't really matter to me.
Yeah no one would have seen this coming Except for the fanfic that just happens to have future trunks and evil Goku with a pink hair transformation...

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Post by ArchedThunder » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:46 pm

TheMikado wrote:
Anime Kitten wrote:My initial response (courtesy of Lord Beerus):
[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]

My further response:
I really like it. It's a really good idea, and I don't think anyone would have seen it coming in weeks. I hope Black defeats Goku in a fair fight (Pink VS Blue), and Vegeta doesn't really matter to me.
Yeah no one would have seen this coming Except for the fanfic that just happens to have future trunks and evil Goku with a pink hair transformation...
What fanfic?

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Post by Draconic » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:52 pm

I find it weird seeing people complain about pink hair and how it clashes with black, but they never seemed to have a problem or even praise Super Saiyan 4 Goku's design. Pink is a very good complementary color to black and fits Black's design (compliments the red band around his waist). The image we got was pretty low quality so it's early to pass judgement. Let's neither hate nor praise it yet, until we see more of it.
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