What is Mafuba? Why is it a BAD idea to use on Zamasu?

[Mazingerdestro]

Fusion+wish+spirit bomb is boring for you? I would like to hear your version. (No joke)

I would like to hear why you think a Black Hole could do anything against Zamas. Someone who can teleport would not be stuck in it forever, not spaghettified, nothing.

Since when can Zamasu teleport? Did we ever saw him?

[Mazingerdestro]

It is how they use Mafuba and how they get it to work. It has also not been used in a long time.
The easiest way to win any fight would to just make them stronger and spirit bomb has been used many times already. Fusion is also just another easy way to win. Your idea to is just the worst and most predictable fan fiction.

Yeah, you didn't answer the question he asked though, what is your idea of how they'd win that is better than "predictable fan fiction"? I'm interested too, looking to get as many different takes on how this arc could play out. Instead of doing this fan-fiction solution how do you think they should beat them? In detail.

Yes I want to hear it too!!! No joke fantheories are usually more enjoyable to read than the actual show

[Alruneia]

Since when can Zamasu teleport? Did we ever saw him?

We saw Zamasu (as Black) teleport to Earth in Episode 61 when he killed Goku, Chi-Chi and Goten. You could attribute that to Goku's body and Instant Transmission, perhaps, but he literally just acquired the body, so it's more likely that as a (newly "appointed") Supreme Kai, he has the ability to use the Kai-Kai teleportation technique.

[namekiansaiyan]

It is how they use Mafuba and how they get it to work. It has also not been used in a long time.
The easiest way to win any fight would to just make them stronger and spirit bomb has been used many times already. Fusion is also just another easy way to win. Your idea to is just the worst and most predictable fan fiction.

Yeah, you didn't answer the question he asked though, what is your idea of how they'd win that is better than "predictable fan fiction"? I'm interested too, looking to get as many different takes on how this arc could play out. Instead of doing this fan-fiction solution how do you think they should beat them? In detail.

The idea is the Mafuba but obviously Black and Zamasu are not just going to let them do it so they have to work out a plan on how to do it. Then they can be Zeno's play mate instead of Goku.

All I am saying is that I do not want to see SSB2, Spirit Bomb or fusion as that is the easy way out.

Yes I want to hear it too!!! No joke fantheories are usually more enjoyable to read than the actual show

Any transformation that just increases the names number or changes its colour is not fun to read. This just tells me that all you care about is that they transform and not why they transform and what they transformation into.

[vilker]

Zamasu+black fusion will be immortal? I think the fusion would be mortal, because Black is mortal. Is like Vegetto was a fusion between dead Vegeta and mortal Goku and Vegetto was alive/mortal.

Mafuuba won't be necessary after the fusion.

[Cetra]

Since when can Zamasu teleport? Did we ever saw him?

We saw Zamasu (as Black) teleport to Earth in Episode 61 when he killed Goku, Chi-Chi and Goten. You could attribute that to Goku's body and Instant Transmission, perhaps, but he literally just acquired the body, so it's more likely that as a (newly "appointed") Supreme Kai, he has the ability to use the Kai-Kai teleportation technique.

Also could have sworn that I saw Alternate Zamas teleport. Could have been me mis-remembering though.

[Shi_Neko13]

All I am saying is that I do not want to see SSB2, Spirit Bomb or fusion as that is the easy way out.

I agree with that. I never want to see the spirit bomb again. I didn't like it when Goku beat Buu with it either, I think the only time that move was really cool/impressive was the one used against Frieza. They leaned on it too much in the movies too, just...enough with the spirit bomb.
SSB2 would be stupid and unnecessary. If we're gonna have an ultimate transformation just let it be SSB, and the manner of defeating Black and Zamasu should be something more interesting, either a new technique or using the timelines/paradoxes to their advantage somehow.
I also feel like we're done with fusion, but always a possibility, especially if Z/B fuse, they might bring it up.

What's the chance of U6 fighters helping out? Black claims there's no one in the universe who can stop him now (at least in that future), but I bet Hit would make him eat those words.

[Sailor Haumea]

What are the odds that before Super is over, SS4 appears?

[Lionel]

I would enjoy seeing my trifuncional Katchin prison/guillotine/gaseous vaccum idea used despite the improbability of any character or writer thinking of using something so macabre and unsatisfactorily outlandish to bring down a villain in DB with. Alternatively, Goku could bring Roshi into the future with them and he proceeds to unleash SSJB + Kaioken x10 while rapidly shifting positions in an omnidirectional flurry of afterimages with Roshi in tow as the old hermit is dextrously attempting a hypnosis ability like the one he used on Man-Wolf, except this instead would be employed to irrevocably distort Zamasu's mindset so he believes he's something harmless like an inanimate rock. Zamasu's attempts to escape would be met with a kick from the untraceable Goku, and should Zamasu attempt to leave, Goku could promptly use Instant Transmission with Roshi to resume the hypnosis as the afterimages continue.

One other approach would be to have Zamasu forcibly shrunken either by a discreet manoeuvre thanks to Buu or the Micro-Band. Splatter his body against two Katchin alloy surfaces by Goku or Vegeta then proceed to have the materialisation user magically combine the two so Zamasu is unceasingly flattened between them to the extent where cognitive process is impossible. The Katchin could then be transported to an undisclosed place in the afterlife where no one would think to look.

Mafuba reversal has only been demonstrated by Piccolo Jr. It isn't a technique that anyone is so aptly capable of learning just because their power level happens to be greater. When Kami attempted the Mafuba, the source of the technique was likely derived from God Ki due to Kami's status as a deity. I also have a suspicion about the technique's self-immolation drawkback failing to happen because the current was mutually powered by both Kami and Piccolo Jr. Since they didn't have to exhaust all of their genki, they were able to survive. It's also possible the divided nature of Kami and Piccolo Jr's beings and their mutually interconnective need for each other also kept them alive somehow.

[namekiansaiyan]

All I am saying is that I do not want to see SSB2, Spirit Bomb or fusion as that is the easy way out.

I agree with that. I never want to see the spirit bomb again. I didn't like it when Goku beat Buu with it either, I think the only time that move was really cool/impressive was the one used against Frieza. They leaned on it too much in the movies too, just...enough with the spirit bomb.
SSB2 would be stupid and unnecessary. If we're gonna have an ultimate transformation just let it be SSB, and the manner of defeating Black and Zamasu should be something more interesting, either a new technique or using the timelines/paradoxes to their advantage somehow.
I also feel like we're done with fusion, but always a possibility, especially if Z/B fuse, they might bring it up.

What's the chance of U6 fighters helping out? Black claims there's no one in the universe who can stop him now (at least in that future), but I bet Hit would make him eat those words.

It would be good for Hit to beat Black and Zamasu at full power to show Goku how far he has to go before he can match him.

[sophitia]

Why would people make a topic about spoiler without warning like this is beyond me.

[namekiansaiyan]

Why would people make a topic about spoiler without warning like this is beyond me.

Spoiler free simply does not exist in the Super section of this website.

[DBZAOTA482]

Zamasu is not a demon(?).

[Pluto]

i hope Zamas does not pull an anti-mafuba...him knowing that and beerus NOT knowing kaio-ken would just fragment the shit out of DB.

[Gig]

Why would people make a topic about spoiler without warning like this is beyond me.

Excuse me, where's the spoiler here?
For the moment, these are just speculations...

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Depends who uses it, if say Goku does it, i doubt he would die considering how powerful he is. Especially since kami and Piccolo jr used it fine with no threat to their life.

Well your right and not.

Kami did use it but failed, going from the manga it will only kill you if you succeed in using it on your enemy. Kami didn't. Piccolo's attack is not the Mafuba but a technique to reverse its.

Just out of curiosity...

Doesn't the Mafuba kill the user?

What if they freed Garlic Jr., taught him the Mafuba, and told him to use it on Future Zamasu?

Or had someone wish for immortality?

Basically, what if someone who has immortality from Shenron/Super Shenron/Porunga tries to use the Mafuba?

Does it fail?

Kami tried it in the first place so that he could eliminate Piccolo without dying himself. While this isn't proof that the Mafuba doesn't kill, it's pretty solid evidence.

Fusion+wish+spirit bomb is boring for you? I would like to hear your version. (No joke)

I would like to hear why you think a Black Hole could do anything against Zamas. Someone who can teleport would not be stuck in it forever, not spaghettified, nothing.

Since when can Zamasu teleport? Did we ever saw him?

We saw him teleport back from Zuno's place, if I remember correctly. I could be wrong though.

What are the odds that before Super is over, SS4 appears?

Absolutely 0% chance, since it's not a Toriyama creation to begin with. Even if Toriyama were to leave, Super does not want to be GT.

[Mazingerdestro]

Since when can Zamasu teleport? Did we ever saw him?

We saw Zamasu (as Black) teleport to Earth in Episode 61 when he killed Goku, Chi-Chi and Goten. You could attribute that to Goku's body and Instant Transmission, perhaps, but he literally just acquired the body, so it's more likely that as a (newly "appointed") Supreme Kai, he has the ability to use the Kai-Kai teleportation technique.

Yeah we saw Black but never Zamasu
Kai-kai maybe a special ability of Supreme Kai (I mean Kibito that after they split stayed to Supreme Kai's body....somehow)

[Mazingerdestro]

What are the odds that before Super is over, SS4 appears?

Probably minus 99.9%

[HeroR]

Mafuba is a sealing technique that can be reversed by everyone. Making mafuba pretty much unbeatable just to seal someone who is smarter, stronger and in general more skilled than pre z Piccolo makes no sense.

Fusion+wish+spirit bomb is boring for you? I would like to hear your version. (No joke)

Piccolo knows about the Evil Containment Wave and had three years to make a counter to it. What makes you think Zamasu or Black would know the counter or even think the heroes would used it?

[Mazingerdestro]

Mafuba is a sealing technique that can be reversed by everyone. Making mafuba pretty much unbeatable just to seal someone who is smarter, stronger and in general more skilled than pre z Piccolo makes no sense.

Fusion+wish+spirit bomb is boring for you? I would like to hear your version. (No joke)

Piccolo knows about the Evil Containment Wave and had three years to make a counter to it. What makes you think Zamasu or Black would know the counter or even think the heroes would used it?

There is a strong possibility that Zamasu and Black can see alternative universes or even learn information from other versions of Zamasu (like Black knew that Zamasu in Goku's timeline is dead). This is also explained by the fact that they always happen to appear in front of Trunks or know when they arrive (saying that this is due to ki sense sounds a little bit far-fetched since last time Zamasu and Black instantly said "they have arrived"). So considering this it is possible that Zamasu will know about the wave. Also comparing Zamasu (an ssj3 at least in power++++pretty smart opponent) to Piccolo is a little bit day to night. Lastly someone mention it but I am not 100% that is true but isn't Mafuba a demon sealing technique?