precita wrote:Fat Buu is weaker than SSJ3 Goku. I think you guys are overestimating him when you think he'll be useful in fights. Zamasu would destroy him easily.
It's not about the power but the hax that comes with it..
Zamasu was not even ss2 goku level..
With an immortality worse than buu, he was wreaking havoc on two SSB, granted as a meat shield most of the times, but he was still keeping up with ssb goku..
Cut merged zamasu in half he wasn't able to regenerate, he fell apart..
Blast buu to atoms, wait some seconds, you have buu ready to whoop ass again..
Also buu has magic.. absorption, blasting holes in dimensions, infinity power and is nearly immortal..
I can see him being a beast when left to fight
First, Goku's base form is higher than Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks, who craps all over Fat Buu. So Present Zamasu is way, way above Fat Buu and Future Zamasu can trade blows with Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku. He would eat Buu for breakfast. Remember, Evil Buu blow back Buu's candy ray and turned him to chocolate. No form of Zamasu is a weakling. Immorality wouldn't make him suddenly touch Goku if he was way weaker.
Second, Fat Buu is behind Gohan even when he's rusty. So he' the fourth strongest if we don't include Trunks.
Fat Buu nearly got beating to death by Kid Buu using pure brute force. So Fat Buu's regeneration can be overcome with enough force, which Merged Zamasu more than has, if he just doesn't just atomized Buu with one attack.
You are severely overestimating Buu and severely underestimating Zamasu.
Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
Kid Boo can beat Boo to death so even his regeneration has its limits.
Vegetto retains consciousness as candy.
Vegetto can create a shield to ignore absorption.
Boo's gimmicks do not make him unbeatable. The Zamasus would probably have problems with a stronger Boo, and I do speak about a much stronger one, not something like Gohan-Boo, but even then it dioes not necessarily mean anything.
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omaro34 wrote:I'm afraid that is what he is saying. Only memories remain, just like all the others.
But at the end of the tournament, Boo said he wanted to fight. Maybe he's going to start training again?
Why has Toei forgotten this!!
In episode 52, Mr. Satan showed up. Mr. Satan is Boo's friend. Do you think it means anything?
No unfortunately, I don't think it means anything. Super is notorious now for teasing us with lovable characters being relevant again by showing a few hints here or there, then not capitalizing on anything.
HeroR wrote:There is no 'filler' like in the old manga with Z since there is no primary source material. So the Copy-Vegeta is canon to the anime.
I don't get this line of thought. The distinction would obviously be that the events of Toei-plotted filler arcs wouldn't inform Toriyama's outlines/new core plots.
It's basically the same reason we distinguish filler in the original anime adaptation in discussion -- it isn't by the main author and isn't going to be considered by core material afterward.
HeroR wrote:There is no 'filler' like in the old manga with Z since there is no primary source material. So the Copy-Vegeta is canon to the anime.
I don't get this line of thought. The distinction would obviously be that the events of Toei-plotted filler arcs wouldn't inform Toriyama's outlines/new core plots.
It's basically the same reason we distinguish filler in the original anime adaptation in discussion -- it isn't by the main author and isn't going to be considered by core material afterward.
The difference here is that Toriyama's manga is a complete work, with or without the anime. For Super, all we have is a basic outline that no one here has seen and we can only guess what's in the outline based on the similarities between the anime and manga. So unless only the most basic notes and details are 'canon' there' isn't much to discuss. Especially since Toriyama's notes isn't even a story. Just story ideas.
Also, unlike the old anime filler, Toei directly reference there stuff. Like you can't pretend Goku never used the Kaioken in the anime because it isn't in Toriyama's outline.
Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
He was there... TOEI has given us a nice red herring him being used in the tourney... Instead they simply scrapped him and wasted one space in the team.
But well... Gohan's red herrings are even worse.
Still would love to see Majin Buu get back in action. Besides Vegeta/Goku and Gotenks I think he is the strongest warrior. Gohan is out of shape and Piccolo... Dunno
Kishido wrote:He was there... TOEI has given us a nice red herring him being used in the tourney... Instead they simply scrapped him and wasted one space in the team.
But well... Gohan's red herrings are even worse.
Still would love to see Majin Buu get back in action. Besides Vegeta/Goku and Gotenks I think he is the strongest warrior. Gohan is out of shape and Piccolo... Dunno
Gohan was training in Episode 30 and nothing was every said that he stopped training. The only thing Piccolo said was that Gohan's warrior days are behind, which doesn't goes against Gohan training again, yet not being a warrior since he only trains to protect the Earth from another Freeza.
Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
Kishido wrote:He was there... TOEI has given us a nice red herring him being used in the tourney... Instead they simply scrapped him and wasted one space in the team.
But well... Gohan's red herrings are even worse.
Still would love to see Majin Buu get back in action. Besides Vegeta/Goku and Gotenks I think he is the strongest warrior. Gohan is out of shape and Piccolo... Dunno
Gohan was training in Episode 30 and nothing was every said that he stopped training. The only thing Piccolo said was that Gohan's warrior days are behind, which doesn't goes against Gohan training again, yet not being a warrior since he only trains to protect the Earth from another Freeza.
Kishido wrote:He was there... TOEI has given us a nice red herring him being used in the tourney... Instead they simply scrapped him and wasted one space in the team.
But well... Gohan's red herrings are even worse.
Still would love to see Majin Buu get back in action. Besides Vegeta/Goku and Gotenks I think he is the strongest warrior. Gohan is out of shape and Piccolo... Dunno
It wasn't Toei that decided to not use Buu, it was Toriyama.
Anyway, only reason he was there was because he wanted to make a wish for Satan. Satan wasn't involved at all in the FT arc, other than a brief appearance in one episode, so Buu didn't have much motivation to interfere with anything either. He doesn't even know Future Trunks.
Eating chocolate chicken pot pie as he tells Bee off when he tries to get some and calls him a dildo.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
DBZAOTA482 wrote:Eating chocolate chicken pot pie as he tells Bee off when he tries to get some and calls him a dildo.
And when he's sick and tired of anything, he just goes home.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
