Super is TOO anime.

[Cure Dragon 255]

Guys remember how people feel I'm a doppleganger for Mecha3000? I found Jacob's!

Great post BTW! I love your passion for the animation side of things! I do admit the animation in Shippuden is astounding!

[Saikyo no Senshi]

Guys remember how people feel I'm a doppleganger for Mecha3000? I found Jacob's!

Great post BTW! I love your passion for the animation side of things! I do admit the animation in Shippuden is astounding!

Haha! I'm not an expert when it comes to animation BTW, I would say I'm a newbie. I got into it because of JulieYBM's signature. His sig was if you want to learn more about the Japanese industry watch SHIROBAKO. Well, I did and it got me interested.

[KaioshinRealm]

Well i think it is quite normal to see japanese stuff on a japanese anime

[Son Vegito]

I'm not sure I understand. Could you explain further? What does "Too anime" mean?

It means the series has shifted into a modern anime style. Characters wearing fancy suits, anime schools, and all that. It's filled with Japanese stuff, for the most part.

Goku wore fancy suits as well in dragon ball z. What schools are you reffering to? I only saw Gohan going to the same school he did during the Buu saga.

I know what you mean. But it just got modernised for the new children who are watching this show. I know it must be weird as hell for those who are marathoning the series and from one episode to the other(from dbz 291 to DB Super ep 1) they suddenly went from old televions to flatscreen TV's even though only 6 months had passed. The Dragonballverse has defenitely changed.

It does feel more cartoony/less mature I must agree, but that's Toei's choice.

[keyz05]

DBZ used to be adult-ish in spite of its sometimes wacky and colorful characters. Super feels super Japanesey and anime, especially with the introduction of cliche, anime soldier girl Mai.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

DBZ used to be adult-ish in spite of its sometimes wacky and colorful characters.

Not really. Unless by adultish, you mean it had a serious, darker tone. Nothing about Dragon Ball has ever catered to an older audience, though.

[Bansho64]

DBZ used to be adult-ish in spite of its sometimes wacky and colorful characters. Super feels super Japanesey and anime, especially with the introduction of cliche, anime soldier girl Mai.

Japenesey? What in the world are you talking about?

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Japenesey? What in the world are you talking about?

I think he's implying that the old Dragon Ball wasn't so ingrained with Japanese culture. Even though us who intricately know the series realize that the premise is bullshit.

Also, you're right to prefer FMA 03

[DBZAOTA482]

It means the series has shifted into a modern anime style. Characters wearing fancy suits, anime schools, and all that. It's filled with Japanese stuff, for the most part.

It was always like that. Japanese cartoons just happened to be much better in the 80's-90's.

The mid-late 90's was a horrible time for anime. I mean, GT came out during that time.

But anyways... yeah I sorta see what you mean. DBS relies heavily on tired cliches (both DB and anime). The lackluster production values (generic soundtrack and mediocre/subpar art/animation quality) and weak character development doesn't help either while Dragon Ball/Z was like nothing before it. In fact, it was a trend starter.

[Soppa Saia People]

I think I understand what you mean..

Mai and trunks saying YOKATTA waah waah anytime they see each other, trunks getting ridiculous power because friendship, learning techniques you never saw because a freaking child screamed teary eyed..
Ya these do smell of generic anime..
I just took it as a parody to them, do the same if it helps you sleep at night..

This is how I feel. One of the reasons I like DB in the first place is because it doesn't feel like a anime. I've said this before, but I don't really like anime and cringe whenever I watch one (sans DB, YYU, Pokemon and Dr. Slump), because it can't stand the tropes they use. They bullshit with friendship, the sweat beads and characters falling over when someone says something wacky (TBF DB has done this on occasion). Plus the animation in general, just kinda turns me off from the genre. So yeah I agree with the OP, I just think it could have been phrased better.

[Bansho64]

I think he's implying that the old Dragon Ball wasn't so ingrained with Japanese culture. Even though us who intricately know the series realize that the premise is bullshit.

Also, you're right to prefer FMA 03

Ah, that's what he meant. And like you said, I do think that premise is completely and utterly false.

Also, thanks! I don't hear that enough. I'm alright with Brotherhood but the original will always be the one for me.

[Will]

DBZ used to be adult-ish in spite of its sometimes wacky and colorful characters. Super feels super Japanesey and anime, especially with the introduction of cliche, anime soldier girl Mai.

Mai, the anime soldier girl, was already in Dragon Ball.


And fancy suit too:

[JoeCapricorn]

So how do you suggest we lower the anime content to a level that is comfortable for you? Right now it is 100% anime, which is what all of Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z were.

Let's have it animated by an American studio and voiced entirely by Seth MacFarlane.

Or splice in segments of Russian cooking shows.

Or maybe leave it alone and you just go back to watching Spongebob.

[sintzu]

So how do you suggest we lower the anime content to a level that is comfortable for you? Right now it is 100% anime, which is what all of Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z were.

He doesn't mean it like that, I think what he means is it has too much things that are in other anime that the original didn't do.

For example there's a lot of food jokes and content which is popular in anime now but they weren't in the original.

[Soppa Saia People]

So how do you suggest we lower the anime content to a level that is comfortable for you? Right now it is 100% anime, which is what all of Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z were.

Let's have it animated by an American studio and voiced entirely by Seth MacFarlane.

Or splice in segments of Russian cooking shows.

Or maybe leave it alone and you just go back to watching Spongebob.

I could get down with that.

So how do you suggest we lower the anime content to a level that is comfortable for you? Right now it is 100% anime, which is what all of Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z were.

He doesn't mean it like that, I think what he means is it has too much things that are in other anime that the original didn't do.

For example there's a lot of food jokes and content which is popular in anime now but they weren't in the original.

There's a fuck load of food jokes in the original to.

[Son Vegito]

I think I understand what you mean..

Mai and trunks saying YOKATTA waah waah anytime they see each other, trunks getting ridiculous power because friendship, learning techniques you never saw because a freaking child screamed teary eyed..
Ya these do smell of generic anime..
I just took it as a parody to them, do the same if it helps you sleep at night..

This is how I feel. One of the reasons I like DB in the first place is because it doesn't feel like a anime. I've said this before, but I don't really like anime and cringe whenever I watch one (sans DB, YYU, Pokemon and Dr. Slump), because it can't stand the tropes they use. They bullshit with friendship, the sweat beads and characters falling over when someone says something wacky (TBF DB has done this on occasion). Plus the animation in general, just kinda turns me off from the genre. So yeah I agree with the OP, I just think it could have been phrased better.

I'm not sure if you are referring to over the top animes with comedy scenes that aren't made for us or other battle series. As far as I know only Fairy Tail and One Piece use the power of friendship. Naruto had it once, but the same can be said for the Genki Dama at the end of DBZ.

I think it really has to do with the target of audience. The scene where the kids and adults were screaming ''keep it up!'' was cringe worthy for me but probably not for the children. Wouldn't call it too anime-ish because I've seen it numerous times in western stuff as well.

[sintzu]

There's a fuck load of food jokes in the original to.

I know but they were different.

[nite_jay]

There's a fuck load of food jokes in the original to.

I know but they were different.

The food jokes before were still almost always "Goku just ate enough food to feed a whole village in China! LOL" or something similar.

[Lord Frieza]

No, If Goku became a moody teen or gained a harem then it would start being to anime.

[Cipher]

Super has definitely been trading more in standard anime tropes than the previous three series -- from little visual quirks (how many times did Goku ever go full smiling "arch" eyes in previous series versus Super), to script minutia such as characters sharing lines (someone ought to do a count on the number of times characters all share a reaction in sync together in Super vs. Toriyama material; that's absolutely an anime-specific trope, as it's ridiculous to script into a manga or replicate in live action) to the way it handles humor in a way that seemingly has to meet a weekly quota. Chalk it up to not adapting Toriyama material, or being as aesthetically distinct/rooted in the mid-'90s as GT.

Beerus' slapping Bulma in the TV adaptation may be the most "anime" thing Dragon Ball has ever done, and perhaps the most embarrassingly directed scene in the franchise.

It's all pretty small stuff though. Oh well. I can't say I'm at all in favor of thoughtlessly invoking genre tropes like those, however small, but it is what it is. The ending of the Trunks arc, and its generally no-nonsense handling of Zamasu (a rhetoric-based villain who absolutely would have been given more of a legitimizing platform in Dragon Ball's sister series, as opposed to the regular "Why are you talking to yourself? Who cares?" responses he earned here), have given me hope that Toriyama's story direction will still have the series bucking expectations where it counts, even in this safer era of the franchise.