Yeah. Toriyama is a very talented artist, he's great to provide expansion to the story, the new characters he created are good (I like Beerus, Whis, Jaco and so many others) but the portrayal of the old ones feels disconected, especially Goku, the character is reduced to his most basic traits and regressed his development in the Buu arc and the others arcs before too. It's a shame because he's the main character and a fan favorite.Ssenrof wrote:mabalia wrote:I like the ideas behind each arcs DBS has showed us, what I didn't like was their execution it should've been better in that regard. Goku's characterization is the worst portrayal I've seen of him from the series, he's not like manga Goku nor like dbz anime Goku, they regressed his character to remind us of that kid Goku isolated in a forest, alienated of how society works and what human culture is.
And I don't blame this only on Toei, I think Toriyama is also responsable for this revisited Goku who's different to how he wrote him in the past, if we take toriyama's recent interviews in consideration. And it's hard to take his opinion that serious nowadays when he always excuse himself saying he forgets things, characters from his own manga (I try to analyze what he says in his interviews, if a new information don't contradict his manga I accept it, if contradicts I ignore).
So I accept the events of super during the 10 years as canon, not exactly in the way it was done but knowing BOG, Freeza, Champa tournament and Zamasu happened at that time.
It's interesting that GT had Goku turn into a child, but keep his adult mind ( more or less) and Super has Goku keep his adult body but revert to a child's mentality.
Toriyama is like the case study on how content creators don't automatically know more about their own series than the fans.
Has any fan you ever met confused SS2 for SS3? Even the most casual of fans don't make that mistake. His power comparison for the BoG movies, his statement about Goku not using SS2 or SS3 anymore- it's all crap. Take his staments with a massive grain of salt.
As for cannon, it really depends on how it fits into the 10 year time skip. If super retcons the original ending, I'd probably still consider the original ending to be cannon in my heart.
If Super somehow fits into the original continuity- then I'll take it.
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It's been 20 years since the original ended so Toriyama isn't the same person he was before.Ssenrof wrote:Toriyama is like the case study on how content creators don't automatically know more about their own series than the fans.
That's because it would've been better in every possible way.precita wrote:If Super's storylines happened 20 years ago after the Buu arc none of you would bat an eye.
Assuming the storylines played out nearly identical, I think everything that happened now would be accepted if it happened back in 1995/1996 right after the Buu arc in the manga.sintzu wrote:That's because it would've been better in every possible way.precita wrote:If Super's storylines happened 20 years ago after the Buu arc none of you would bat an eye.
It wouldn't, characters like Piccolo and Gohan wouldn't be thrown to the side, characters would've continued to develop, there characters' looks would've changed from one arc to the other, it would've kept moving the story forward after the 28th tenkaichi, it's arcs would be more connected to one another & they wouldn't have been rushed.precita wrote:Assuming the storylines played out nearly identical...
This is another major difference between Super and the original, I think if Toriyama worked on it as a full weekly manga with Toyotoro then the final result would've been better.DragonHermit wrote:The problem with Super is that it's Toriyama's nephew not child. He's too removed from the final product, and other writer have to fill in the holes, making a giant clusterfuck.
That's an interesting point, people would be yelling. "Remember Zamasu? he was deep, nothing can top that Vegito vs Zamasu animation."precita wrote:The series is canon. I don't understand people saying things like it, "feels like bad fanfiction" or "it doesn't feel official."
You could easily say that about anything that happened in Dragonball Z. Goku suddenly being an alien, Androids and Cell, Buu eating people, Fusion, Goku having a son, a transformation that makes your hair blonde, etc.
If Super's storylines happened 20 years ago after the Buu arc none of you would bat an eye.
Vice wrote:"Look at all these characters getting some shine in the buildup for the tournament of power, maybe we'll get to see some other characters do some stuff instead of the same old shit."
1. Goku (Universe 7) has eliminated 6 competitor & Vegeta (Universe 7) has eliminated 6 competitors
"Fuck."
This too; Mirai Trunks is probably my favorite character in the whole franchise, so I refuse to settle for him getting anything less than a happy ending. Hell, I'd rather think of him returning to past and settling down in a permanent ménage à trois with Gohan and Videl than what Super or Xenoverse depict.DragonHermit wrote:...but I just can't accept something like the Trunks outcome. [...] After all he went through, I'd like to think the "hope" in his time machine, wasn't useless. I don't mind darkness, but unnecessary darkness is something else.
I agree that the end of his story arc is a bummer, but you can always imagine that the Future Trunks we've seen in Super comes from yet another alternate timeline, and is not the Future Trunks we remember from DBZ.Thanos6 wrote:This too; Mirai Trunks is probably my favorite character in the whole franchise, so I refuse to settle for him getting anything less than a happy ending. Hell, I'd rather think of him returning to past and settling down in a permanent ménage à trois with Gohan and Videl than what Super or Xenoverse depict.
