How strong was Yamcha at his peak?

[dragon boss z]

I'm a nice guy, so Yamcha would be 3rd form Freeza level, roughly.

Saying you're nice is an understatement.

3rd form Freeza is where I'd put base Goku and Vegeta before fighting #19, Yamcha would probably be on Nappa's level during that time.

base Goku was above 3rd form Frieza at the end of the Namek saga, unless you mean heart weakened Goku. As for Vegeta he should also be above 3rd form Frieza by that point.

As for Yamcha being Nappa level, that is possible, lol. I would put him a bit above that though. Krillin was multiple times stronger than Nappas so I would say Yamcha is probably at least a bit stronger than Nappa.

[LuckyCat]

After training for 3 years post-Kaio-sama, Yamacha was quickly impailed by Android #19. Android #19 is taken down easily by Piccolo, so I'd rank Yamcha somewhere around Goku post Kaio-training and a few years training. Maybe a little weaker than base Vegeta in Saiyan saga.

[sintzu]

But base Goku was already fighting evenly with Freeza in his true form on Namek (before Freeza powered up further, obviously).

That's because Freeza was letting him, at his full power even Ssj Goku had some trouble.

base Goku was above 3rd form Frieza at the end of the Namek saga, unless you mean heart weakened Goku. As for Vegeta he should also be above 3rd form Frieza by that point.

They probably were but I still think they'd need to put in some effort to take him down in that form.

[dragon boss z]

But base Goku was already fighting evenly with Freeza in his true form on Namek (before Freeza powered up further, obviously).

That's because Freeza was letting him, at his full power even Ssj Goku had some trouble.

base Goku was above 3rd form Frieza at the end of the Namek saga, unless you mean heart weakened Goku. As for Vegeta he should also be above 3rd form Frieza by that point.

They probably were but I still think they'd need to put in some effort to take him down in that form.

my numbers would probably be something like this

3rd form Frieza: 2m
4th form Frieza suppressed: 4m
namek base Goku: 3m
android saga base Vegeta: 3.8m
android saga base Goku: 4m
sick base Goku: 3m and dropping

[nickzambuto]

But base Goku was already fighting evenly with Freeza in his true form on Namek (before Freeza powered up further, obviously).

That's because Freeza was letting him, at his full power even Ssj Goku had some trouble.

So you're saying that Freeza transformed from his third form in order to become weaker.

[sintzu]

So you're saying that Freeza transformed from his third form in order to become weaker.

He got stronger but he was toying with Goku the whole time, he only got really serious when he went Ssj.

[Pantalones]

Yamcha...

I would say he definitely gets over 1,000,000 (because otherwise how the heck would absorbing his power be anything significant to Gero? Gero has got to be in the tens of millions at least, ten-thousands or even hundred-thousands should be nothing to him. Heck, he mistook Yamcha's power for Goku initially... and this is several years after his last reading on Goku. He's not going to assume the same Goku who went from 450ish to 8000ish in a year is going to still be in the 40,000 range after four or five years, even if he figures that the 400-to-8000 year was a major outlier.) I figure he could beat 2nd-form Freeza, possibly even 3rd-form Freeza. Assuming he doesn't ever get much stronger than he was in the Android Saga, anyway. If he continued training enough to keep gaining power (albeit slowly) afterward, he'd probably be able to beat down initial 4th-form Freeza... though of course he'd never be able to match up to anywhere near his full power, or even 50% (unless he picked up Kaio-ken offscreen or something and trained it to a point where he could use the higher levels the way Goku did.)

But even at his peak he would still be significantly weaker than Krillin or Tenshinhan. He was already a little ways behind them back in the Saiyan Saga, but I figure he would fall even further behind as time went on thanks to Krillin being potential-unlocked (and seemingly continuing to gradually gain more power from that over time, considering that he rose from 10,000ish to 20,000ish to 75,000 just in the short time he spent on Namek... and it might've kept going even further afterward too, which would definitely help explain how he managed to pass Tenshinhan in terms of raw power and end up as the "strongest Earthling") and Tenshinhan being much more dedicated to training than either of the other two, and having a consistent training partner unlike the others.

[Wizard Sesame]

In my mind, Yamcha is around 32-40k. My reasoning for this is that Gero confused Yamcha for Goku after a power reading, and since he was aware of the advancement of Goku during the fight with Vegeta, he was probably aware of Goku's maximum power being around 24-32 via the 4x Kaioken that Goku used during the beam struggle (lessened effectiveness because Goku was tired at the time). So at a minimum, he's somewhere around 32k. Add in a few years worth of gains (since Gero himself said that he calculated Goku's growth, albeit believing his massive gains were behind him due to age, and take into account training harder for the androids, plus the filler against the Ginyu Force, and I'm comfortable with a 40k number for Yamcha. That number would theoretically allow him to fight closely with Recoome as shown, while also being completely outmatched by the villains later on in the show.

[Yamcha upset fan]

was yamchas scene dealing with 300k gravity a filler?

I really dont know.

If that wasnt the case, he is far stronger than the goku who mopped the floor with the gyniu forces.


Being able to move to switch the machine off, at 300k gravity is an amazing feat.

[dragon boss z]

was yamchas scene dealing with 300k gravity a filler?

I really dont know.

If that wasnt the case, he is far stronger than the goku who mopped the floor with the gyniu forces.


Being able to move to switch the machine off, at 300k gravity is an amazing feat.

ya that was filler. Also how do you know the version of Goku who beat the Ginyu force couldn't of done that? Goku casually trained in 100x gravity, so I don't see why he wouldn't be able to be able to make it over to the switch and turn off the 300x gravity.

[PelicanDynasty]

I think this thread shows how absurdly fast everyone got so strong. Yamcha can legitimately be anywhere between like 5000 and over 1mil and there is not a lot of evidence to disprove any number within that range. After Freeza there are no opponents left anywhere near as weak as Yamcha, so his power is really a mystery.

[precita]

I think this thread shows how absurdly fast everyone got so strong. Yamcha can legitimately be anywhere between like 5000 and over 1mil and there is not a lot of evidence to disprove any number within that range. After Freeza there are no opponents left anywhere near as weak as Yamcha, so his power is really a mystery.

Its actually pretty insane when you realize Yamcha and the other humans got stronger quicker than Goku did in the same timeframe. It took Goku like 3 days to climb Korin's tower, yet Yamcha and the others climb it in half the time. Also King Kai said Yamcha/Tenshihan/Piccolo, etc. all made the journey to his planet in half the time Goku did.

Aside from the fact that Saiyans can just keep getting stronger, its pretty funny that everything Goku did from about the second half of Dragonball up to early DBZ was done quicker by the humans. The fact that Yamcha is able to use the Kamehameha wave in itself is a feat.

[PelicanDynasty]

I think this thread shows how absurdly fast everyone got so strong. Yamcha can legitimately be anywhere between like 5000 and over 1mil and there is not a lot of evidence to disprove any number within that range. After Freeza there are no opponents left anywhere near as weak as Yamcha, so his power is really a mystery.

Its actually pretty insane when you realize Yamcha and the other humans got stronger quicker than Goku did in the same timeframe. It took Goku like 3 days to climb Korin's tower, yet Yamcha and the others climb it in half the time. Also King Kai said Yamcha/Tenshihan/Piccolo, etc. all made the journey to his planet in half the time Goku did.

Aside from the fact that Saiyans can just keep getting stronger, its pretty funny that everything Goku did from about the second half of Dragonball up to early DBZ was done quicker by the humans. The fact that Yamcha is able to use the Kamehameha wave in itself is a feat.

Yeah, the whole thing never made much sense to me. They grow as the plot requires I guess. Never understood how in less than a year Krillin could go from being like 1/10th of Raditz to strong enough to kill 4 saibamen at once . Goku did the same training for 3x as long and his gains were nowhere near that much.

[Akyon]

I believe it's been stated that Krillin at least is better at ki control than even Goku. Perhaps his training is refining his ability to use ki, whilst Goku's broke down his body enough to gain a zenkai boost?

[nickzambuto]

So you're saying that Freeza transformed from his third form in order to become weaker.

He got stronger but he was toying with Goku the whole time, he only got really serious when he went Ssj.

He was using a certain percentage of his power against Goku and they were even at that stage. Then Freeza stated he'll power up to 50% in order to take the advantage. Then after Goku transformed, he said he'll power up to 100%. The Freeza who Goku fought was still much stronger than third form Freeza, despite not using his maximum percentage.

[Captain Strawberry]

I think he could beat Frieza.

[LightBing]

In the low millions. The humans always stayed at a certain distance from Goku, a little bit farther with each new arc. Yamcha like the other humans shouldn't be that far from Base Saiyans, pre-RoSaT. That's likely his peak.
Super Saiyan is the reason why the humans shanked into obscurity, otherwise they would still be capable fighters since they wouldn't get demotivated to keeping up with the new training methods.
Tenshinhan's refusing the invitation to train in the RoSaT marked the end of the humans as meaningful fighters.

[MaxZ]

I would say somewhere in the low millions, between 1 million and 10 million at the max.

Tien at the current point in Super could probably be as high as 20 million because of his non stop training for well over a decade. Yamcha's power level in Super has probably dipped to around a million or maybe a little lower

[Darkprince410]

Yamcha...

I would say he definitely gets over 1,000,000 (because otherwise how the heck would absorbing his power be anything significant to Gero? Gero has got to be in the tens of millions at least, ten-thousands or even hundred-thousands should be nothing to him. Heck, he mistook Yamcha's power for Goku initially... and this is several years after his last reading on Goku. He's not going to assume the same Goku who went from 450ish to 8000ish in a year is going to still be in the 40,000 range after four or five years, even if he figures that the 400-to-8000 year was a major outlier.) I figure he could beat 2nd-form Freeza, possibly even 3rd-form Freeza. Assuming he doesn't ever get much stronger than he was in the Android Saga, anyway. If he continued training enough to keep gaining power (albeit slowly) afterward, he'd probably be able to beat down initial 4th-form Freeza... though of course he'd never be able to match up to anywhere near his full power, or even 50% (unless he picked up Kaio-ken offscreen or something and trained it to a point where he could use the higher levels the way Goku did.)

The problem is though is that Gero outright states that the growth that Goku got during his year of training on Kaiou's planet was essentially the most he could do, and that he wouldn't make any more major gains like that again due to his age.

No.20: “There was no need. By the battle with Vegeta and co., we had already completely grasped your power and techniques. We calculated that no matter how much you improved afterwards, considering your age, you wouldn’t have any increases as enormous as you had before…”

So his jump from 416/~1,000 to over 8,000 was the highest overall increase he anticipated Goku to have, and that any subsequent increases would be smaller by comparison. So while he designed his Artificial Humans to be Ssj tier or above in strength, he couldn't anticipate any random, later increases, especially since he wouldn't have had the near-death power-up trait on record to try and factor in.

[In Brightest Day]

I don't see the issue with the main Earthling fighters reaching the low millions by the Android arc either. As has been mentioned, Gero mistook Yamcha for Goku but still considered him a valuable source of energy after the fact. Another forgotten point is when a pissed off Goku punched Gero full force in the face and Gero showing no surprise at the force of the blow whatsoever. By itself, said scene nullifies the "Gero thought Goku had peaked during the Saiyan arc" line of thinking completely.

Anyway, if I had to put it down to numbers, I think the human Z-Fighters would line up like this during the Android arc:

Krillin: 2,800,000
Tien: 2,000,000
Yamcha: 1,600,000

I'm doubtful of Yamcha stopping his training completely after the Cell Games and into the Boo arc. Most people who are fitness freaks or follow a disciplined regiment throughout their twenties don't usually stop once they hit their late thirties/early forties. I imagine Yamcha hasn't quit training altogether, but more than likely just trains to stay in shape these days rather than actually trying to become stronger (I get the impression Piccolo took a similar approach after the Cell Games).