Super's Pacing

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Re: Super's Pacing

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:36 pm

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Jinzoningen MULE wrote:I'd be willing to wager that you could cut every arc down to less than 10 episodes and still have a perfectly complete arc. You'd even have room to spare.

If we're basing a long-term weekly show on bullet points from a writer that has long-since lost his touch, this is the pacing we're going to get.
The right writer could probably fit his stories into 2 hour movies as well.

His bullet points also hurt the RF movie due to him being the only one working on it compared to BOG where he had a movie writer helping him.
Movie's are the ideal, BoG and RoF are proof of that. If Toriyama wants to write bare-bones stories, it's much better to adapt them into a 2 hour film with a lengthy production schedule rather than an overly-padded half-year long adaptation with a tight production schedule. Even tournaments could work in this format if they were smart about the way they cut it. Movies should be the common sense at this point, but someone got the genius idea to sacrifice the quality of these stories in exchange for broadcasting it as a Saturday morning cartoon, making it much more mainstream. More money for less effort, at least on the direction side of things. It's capitalism, that's cool, it's all fair game, it's disappointing is all.
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Re: Super's Pacing

Post by sintzu » Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:45 pm

Jinzoningen MULE wrote: Movie's are the ideal, BoG and RoF are proof of that. If Toriyama wants to write bare-bones stories, it's much better to adapt them into a 2 hour film with a lengthy production schedule rather than an overly-padded half-year long adaptation with a tight production schedule. Even tournaments could work in this format if they were smart about the way they cut it. Movies should be the common sense at this point, but someone got the genius idea to sacrifice the quality of these stories in exchange for broadcasting it as a Saturday morning cartoon, making it much more mainstream. More money for less effort, at least on the direction side of things. It's capitalism, that's cool, it's all fair game, it's disappointing is all.
That's the problem, they want a weekly show but they don't have the resources to make it fully work.

Don't get me wrong, Super has improved over time and will probably get better but there's no denying that it could be a lot better.

Even with RF, Toriyama's plot wasn't long enough to make a coherant movie so everything was jumping from one scene to another instead of flowing naturally like BOG which was probably due to Watanabe working on it with him.

What would really help is for Toriyama to work on the scripts full time with someone to make sure there's enough content for the planned arc or enough episodes to cover the script and to make sure everything flows right.
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