If you could change anything in the whole series what would it be?

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Re: If you could change anything in the whole series what would it be?

Post by Soppa Saia People » Fri Dec 09, 2016 6:13 pm

Don't let Toei split up the series.
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Re: If you could change anything in the whole series what would it be?

Post by dragon boss z » Fri Dec 09, 2016 6:43 pm

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Gohan didn't even interact with cell until the last fight. Their was no emotional build up to their confrontation or past relationships to work with. It was random.
Cell didn't really do anything bad to anyone though... The worst thing he did was kill 16, and Gohan liked 16, lol
Vegeta was an asshole the entire arc leading up to the payoff of cell killing trunks. He was one of the only people in that arc to get character development and he should have been the one to redeem himself, turn SSJ2 and kill cell after neglecting his son and letting cell transform.
That's an interesting idea, but Toriyama wanted Z to be more about Gohan, and Vegeta seemingly will never be the main character.
I just got an idea. what if when mecha Frieza returned and since Bulma came to watch Frieza would kill Bulma after she said something stupid, and that's what would make Vegeta go ssj.
Gohan's build up and hidden potential was forced since he regressed as a character from the frieza arc, was thrown into a fight he had no right being in and was having multiple personality disorders throughout it. In the end he needed daddy to hold his hand.
that could all be fixed.
Frieza's presence and death had one job and that was to set up the Androids as a bigger threat. He's irrelevant to this arc.
I know... this thread is about what would you change. I would turn him from being a jobber to be someone who makes Vegeta become a ssj for the first time and also set up Cell at the same time. It wouldn't be a major part of it either, it still would only be like 5-10 chapters of Frieza being back, it just would be a little cooler.
The time travel element was used to represent a future where the Z fighter failed and an assassin and ally sent from the future to alter the past. Terminator homage which Akira Toriyama is a big fan of.
ya I thought it was entertaining too, I just think it's easier to write a better written story without time travel.
I'm not of huge fan of the cell arc because it was pretty boring but your idea (no offence) is dreadful.
Like I said if you think my idea is dreadful then you think the whole arc is dreadful without time travel, because when I envision my version it is almost exactly the same pannel for pannel but without trunks and Vegeta going ssj until later.

Also it's not like I'm the only person who said time travel shouldn't of happened. Many people believe that.
Unless you didn't pay attention to other characters or nostalgia, the time travel element is pretty important
Time travel really wasn't that important to the arc. All it did was let Trunks go back and forth in time (and he did virtually nothing) and it let Cell come back (which is irrelevant because you could just have him pop out of Gero's secret lab). The Cell arc isn't like the Black arc that hinges on time traveling. It's an android arc that has a bit of time traveling in it. It was more of a gimic than anything.
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I did like Trunks, but like I said he did pretty much nothing when it comes to the main story.

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Re: If you could change anything in the whole series what would it be?

Post by dragon boss z » Fri Dec 09, 2016 6:45 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:Swap the Android arc with the Freeza arc in terms of time placement and don't have Super Saiyan appear until the Freeza arc within that specific time placement. That would sort of out so many issues with the power scaling and keep the supporting cast relevant.
this is also a good idea. I don't know if you read it but my idea was to just have Goku get sick during the android arc with no cure and have Vegeta not get ssj until later so the androids could beat up on the non super saiyan level fighters.

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Re: If you could change anything in the whole series what would it be?

Post by floofychan333 » Fri Dec 09, 2016 7:23 pm

Keep comedy and the old art style for the whole series and add an arc between Piccolo Jr and the Saiyajins
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Re: If you could change anything in the whole series what would it be?

Post by dragon boss z » Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:57 pm

floofychan333 wrote:Keep comedy and the old art style for the whole series and add an arc between Piccolo Jr and the Saiyajins
Ya some parts needed more comedy. I liked RoF's comedy. It had comedy throughout, but nothing that compromised the seriousness of the story.

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Re: If you could change anything in the whole series what would it be?

Post by Black Hawk » Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:23 pm

I would go back in time and periodically remind Toriyama-sensei of Lunch so she'd never suddenly disappear without explanation.
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Re: If you could change anything in the whole series what would it be?

Post by dragon boss z » Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:28 pm

Black Hawk wrote:I would go back in time and periodically remind Toriyama-sensei of Lunch so she'd never suddenly disappear without explanation.
that's another good one, lol.

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Post by Zeru14 » Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:09 am

Launch, 17, Tarble and Tights making more guest appearances.

Great Namek vs Great Ape

Yamcha learning Kaioken from King Kai in the Frieza Saga and teaching Krillin. Fat Buu watches one of them during it and learns by his copy skill ability.

Yamcha finding love with Tights, Bulma would of course be uncomfortable with her ex and sister dating, but after seeing them be happy come to support the relationship.

Tien unlocking special abilities with his third-eye similar to Despero from DC Comics.

Chiaotzu gaining Jean Grey level psychic abilities.

Gohan learning Spirit Bomb from Goku.

Vegeta training hard after the Kid Buu battle and unlocking SSJ3.

Satan wearing a jet pack like in the videogames.

Bulma builds Gravity Rooms for Gohan, Yamcha, Tien/Chiaotzu and Krillin on their respective properties so they have an effective training method close by.

Kid Trunks, Goten and Marron have older appearances. Kid Trunks would be as tall Future Trunks was at the time of Future Gohans death, Goten will be at a similar height and starting to grow his hair out and Marron would be starting to resemble her EoZ look.

Bulla being born by now.

Piccolo gaining access to the red-eyed form putting on par with Super Saiyan Red.

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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:20 am

Not really a factor in the series itself, but I would have had Funimation complete not only the Level Sets for DBZ, but have them do the exact same thing to DB and GT, along with all movies and TV Specials. Not only would is stay the primary DVD, Blu-ray, and digital release for a thousand years (or until 1080p is obsolete, but that's another discussion), but Funimation, along with the UN, would mandate a cleansing, a purge of the Orange Bricks, along with the destruction of those horribly encoded DVD singles. Also, after the thousand years (or obsoletion of 1080p), Funimation will revert to and complete the VHS releases. They will cost about $342 USD, which, factoring inflation and whatnot, would be about $3.15 today. I guess that counts as an answer.
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Re: If you could change anything in the whole series what would it be?

Post by Desassina » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:09 am

I would remake the original Dragon Ball, with a company other than Toei, and branch the series before the Piccolo Jr. saga. The change could happen with Kami interfering in Goku and Piccolo Daimao's fight, as the latter escapes to the Demon Realm and Goku chases after him, but only after the Dragon Balls are restored. Then, with all whom Goku left behind, the series shall continue differently.

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Re: If you could change anything in the whole series what would it be?

Post by Nejishiki » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:30 am

I would use my wish to alter the handling of Dragon Ball's distribution in general North America. As fun as the comparisons are, it would be wonderful if a unified spirit of interpretation persisted instead. I'm strictly concerned with how the overall directing is executed. Television edits are reflective of executive standards and I'm not personally concerned with them. The home releases exist for a reason so whatever happens with the broadcast version would feel minor regardless. As long as the advertising reflects the series for what it is, it's smooth cloud traveling on my end.

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Re: If you could change anything in the whole series what would it be?

Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Sat Dec 10, 2016 3:55 pm

Magic being a prevalent and useful power for the humans to keep up with the Saiyans.
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Re: If you could change anything in the whole series what would it be?

Post by PotaraWarrior » Sat Dec 10, 2016 6:54 pm

All these are really good and I'd love to see them all implemented. I'd also really enjoy seeing more Namekian fighters and maybe even a story line where Piccolo goes to New Namek and battles a new threat to Namek. He meets more Namek fighters and even merges with some of them, finally giving Piccolo some more deserved time in the sun.

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Re: If you could change anything in the whole series what would it be?

Post by PacificOceanDub » Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:20 pm

Either end the series with Vegeta escaping Earth in his Saiyan space pod, the Earth's Special Forces having died valiantly and with honor, and no mention of Namek.

Or

Goku gets the heart virus and dies. Basically the events of the History of Trunks play out as a saga, with more emphasis on the Z warriors trying and failing to defeat the androids. Trunks still trains with Gohan, Gohan dies when Trunks is 14, and the series ends with 18 year old Trunks entering the Time Capsule, with plans to warn Goku and give hope to the future.
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Post by Perfectionist-Cell » Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:24 pm

Future Gohan surviving the Androids and going into the past with Trunks.

Beerus Hakai move. (Seriously it is really starting to get annoying with all these DBZ fans using that every chance they get)

Ssb Vegito. He played no good role really. The only thing i see Vegito adding is another character to our Xenoverse roster and giving fans what they wanted.

Bio Broly. We all know why.

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Re: If you could change anything in the whole series what would it be?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:50 pm

For just one tiny thing? Fix Super's powerscaling with a few changed colors and a few lines of dialogue. It's not that hard.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:08 pm

dragon boss z wrote:Cell didn't really do anything bad to anyone though... The worst thing he did was kill 16, and Gohan liked 16, lol
Cell absorbed at least hundred-thousand people simply for extra power, almost killed Piccolo and Tien unprovokingly, destroyed a bunch of fully-inhabited islands, killed the whole army unprovokingly, and tortured Gohan (then the whole Z-Warriors) both physically and mentally. He's done plenty wrong.

Oh and...

-Gohan remains the new hero
-Dr. Gero stays in the Android/Cell Saga for longer
-"Super Saiyan 2" is Gohan-exclusive
-Yajirobe doesn't get lazy
-Chi-Chi is a Z-Warrior
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Post by dragon boss z » Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:30 am

DBZAOTA482 wrote:
dragon boss z wrote:Cell didn't really do anything bad to anyone though... The worst thing he did was kill 16, and Gohan liked 16, lol
Cell absorbed at least hundred-thousand people simply for extra power, almost killed Piccolo and Tien unprovokingly, destroyed a bunch of fully-inhabited islands, killed the whole army unprovokingly, and tortured Gohan (then the whole Z-Warriors) both physically and mentally. He's done plenty wrong.
I meant on a personal level to make one character to deserve the kill over another. Like Cell wasn't really anyone's arch enemy, he was just an threat that needed to be destroyed. The beef with Frieza was more personal.

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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:16 pm

dragon boss z wrote:I meant on a personal level to make one character to deserve the kill over another. Like Cell wasn't really anyone's arch enemy, he was just an threat that needed to be destroyed. The beef with Frieza was more personal.
Cell had the androids and Trunks as arch enemies. Then eventually Gohan...

Also Goku didn't have anything personal against Freeza till when they actually fought.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Post by ekrolo2 » Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:28 pm

This is a minor alteration but I'd tie Babidi's recent quest to revive Boo into Freeza's defeat. I'd have him hear about this legendary Super Saiyan who's supposed to be the baddest mofo to end all badass mofos and go to Earth to find him, this would also come with the idea of Babidi always having Boo's egg with him instead of it being conveniently buried on Earth because reasons.

I'd even have Babidi try and use Freeza as an energy source before realizing he needs someone like Goku to pull off his revival.
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