Copy-Vegeta arc or the Garlic Jr. arc?

[precita]

Oh, another thing i hate in the Garlic Jr. arc was that thanks to it, Vegeta didn't get to spend the whole year living on Earth with Bulma, a big change compared to the manga. There's even a line later, where Yamcha calls her out for that, and it lacks the same effect considering Freeza arrives right after Vegeta comes back in the anime.

Seems odd Vegeta would still just hang around at Earth without causing trouble though, he was still insanely evil and selfish at the time.

[Nejishiki]

Can't say I'm fond of either story. The latter arc had okay ideas, but I didn't enjoy how it was presented nor do I think the overall premise was engaging. The former arc mentioned had a premise that didn't feel too natural and the plotting meandered about at various points. Ultimately, I think I rather be bored for three episodes than feel bothered by ten of them. It's not exactly a shining achievement for the Potaufeu arc to win out through having a lower episode count. And if this were a battle of script reading, the Garlic Junior arc is probably easier to skim through despite its length disadvantage. That's the best "forced answer" I can muster though. I will add that I feel as if the Garlic Junior arc brings more harm to Dragon Ball Z Movie 01 than the Potaufeu arc can tire the concept of a Vegeta fighting against the cast. Both arcs are equally cheap with what they want to do but there's more offense taken on my end to continue an underwhelming plot thread. I will assign the Garlic Junior arc credit for majorly utilizing God one more time. It's great exploring into his world and mindset. I can't gather as much enthusiasm for Potaufeu arc's concepts and character dynamics in comparison.

[TekTheNinja]

I actually love the Garlic Jr arc and think it's legitimately good. Not nearly as good as any of the main arcs, but still great. It gives a lot of the cast something to do and the comedy parts are great. I personally LOVED the Marron episode. She was hilarious because of how air-headed and bitchy she was.

Copy Vegeta WAS NOT that. It was possibly the worst filler DB has ever had. Worse than fake Namek even maybe. Maybe it woulda been at least a little better if they left Goku out of it and let Gotenks beat Copy Vegeta. Goku's arrival was soooooooooooo forced. And what was the deal with the beetle koala dude? He was just kinda there so Monaka would have someone to deliver something to. I figured he'd do something relevant, but not really. Just exposition.

[omaro34]

Um... is there a third option?

Gotta choose one my friend.

[Lord Beerus]

Um... is there a third option?

Gotta choose one my friend.

The Garlic Jr arc... I guess? I mean, it gave the supporting cast something to do, but Garlic Jr was infuriatingly stupid that I can't stand the arc. The Copy Vegeta arc literally lasts 3 episode, but even then, it was an absolute slog to get through.

[Araki]

Oh, another thing i hate in the Garlic Jr. arc was that thanks to it, Vegeta didn't get to spend the whole year living on Earth with Bulma, a big change compared to the manga. There's even a line later, where Yamcha calls her out for that, and it lacks the same effect considering Freeza arrives right after Vegeta comes back in the anime.

Seems odd Vegeta would still just hang around at Earth without causing trouble though, he was still insanely evil and selfish at the time.

But thinking Vegeta spent one year getting used to Earth - and Bulma - makes it easier to understand everything that happened right after. Otherwise i think he "settles down" too suddenly.

[omaro34]

Um... is there a third option?

Gotta choose one my friend.

The Garlic Jr arc... I guess? I mean, it gave the supporting cast something to do, but Garlic Jr was infuriatingly stupid that I can't stand the arc. The Copy Vegeta arc literally lasts 3 episode, but even then, it was an absolute slog to get through.

At least Piccolo had some good action during the Arc, and of course Maron wasn't a bad addition, if you know what I mean.

[Lord Beerus]

Gotta choose one my friend.

The Garlic Jr arc... I guess? I mean, it gave the supporting cast something to do, but Garlic Jr was infuriatingly stupid that I can't stand the arc. The Copy Vegeta arc literally lasts 3 episode, but even then, it was an absolute slog to get through.

At least Piccolo had some good action during the Arc, and of course Maron wasn't a bad addition, if you know what I mean.

[sangofe]

Simple my good friends. If you had to choose between the Copy-Vegeta Arc or the Garlic Jr Arc, which would it be and why? Both are filler Arcs and I've heard distaste from the community when these 2 arcs are mentioned.

I still laugh at the names of Garlic Jr's henchman: Ketchup, Vinegar, Salt, etc.

The Copy-Vegeta Arc was quite boring, but it wasn't nearly as long as the Garlic Jr stuff.

If I had to personally choose one, it would probably be the Garlic Jr Arc, since Garlic Jr was already an established villain from a previously made Dragonball film. Him returning wasn't a terrible idea. Plus the Z fighters had to learn not to rely on Goku or Vegeta to get the job done.

The Copy Vegeta arc was okay watced in marathon mode. So my vote goes to the Copy Vegeta arc.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

In my opinion I enjoyed the Copy Vegeta arc more then the U6 arc*... So Copy Vegeta arc 100%.

*Such a shame the U6 arc only started to pick up near the latter stages if it was as hype as it ended it could have been great hopefully lessons learnt for the new arc!

[BWri]

The Garlic Jr. arc gets more flack than it deserves. It was a fairly good arc with new ideas, good drama, interesting twists and turns, brutal fights, and it gave the side characters plenty of spotlight and showed that they're not so helpless without Goku around. I also liked how it expanded on established Dragon Ball lore, even though Garlic Jr. and his place in the canon timeline makes no sense at all.

And the Copy-Vegeta stuff was just hot garbage all the way around.

I actually love the Garlic Jr arc and think it's legitimately good. Not nearly as good as any of the main arcs, but still great. It gives a lot of the cast something to do and the comedy parts are great. I personally LOVED the Marron episode. She was hilarious because of how air-headed and bitchy she was.

Copy Vegeta WAS NOT that. It was possibly the worst filler DB has ever had. Worse than fake Namek even maybe. Maybe it woulda been at least a little better if they left Goku out of it and let Gotenks beat Copy Vegeta. Goku's arrival was soooooooooooo forced. And what was the deal with the beetle koala dude? He was just kinda there so Monaka would have someone to deliver something to. I figured he'd do something relevant, but not really. Just exposition.

I feel the exact same. And I have to agree that the Copy Vegeta arc would have been better served if Gotenks were the one to get the win. I think for the OP that the better question would be Fake Namek vs. Copy Vegeta. I'd chop off either arm before I watch any of those again.

[Hellspawn28]

Both are bad, but I take the Copy Vegeta mini arc over the Garlic Jr saga. It was shorter and going another planet was cool to see. Sure it did rehash Majin/Bebi Vegeta, but at least it was done and over with quick. I can't finish the Garlic Jr saga anymore, I find myself dropping the saga after 5 episodes in. It's so boring to watch.

[Miracles]

Copy Vegeta arc is canon.
It was mentioned in the last arc!

[TekTheNinja]

Copy Vegeta arc is canon.
It was mentioned in the last arc!

That doesn't mean it was in Toriyama's outline. Z referenced filler in canon arc all the time.

[MisteryOne]

I hate the two of them. Garlic Jr gave us more action without Goku (and Vegeta) and returned Piccolo's giant form. But apart from that, it was paintful to watch, specially since as a kis I had not watched the Dead Zone film so I didn't understand when Goku sealed that blue guy.

Copy Vegeta arc ends quickly, I can at least end it, but the ideas behind it were pretty much Majin Vegeta 3.0 and Gotenks was so useless it hurts.

If I have to pick one...Garlick Jr because I think is way better overall. But if I have to start watching one right now, Copy Vegeta. That being said, I will never watch neither of them again.

[Miracles]

Copy Vegeta arc is canon.
It was mentioned in the last arc!

That doesn't mean it was in Toriyama's outline. Z referenced filler in canon arc all the time.

True; it also was not mentioned that it isn't in Toriyama's outline.
The fact is, Super anime is canon. The copy arc is Dragon ball Super.

[TekTheNinja]

Copy Vegeta arc is canon.
It was mentioned in the last arc!

That doesn't mean it was in Toriyama's outline. Z referenced filler in canon arc all the time.

True; it also was not mentioned that it isn't in Toriyama's outline.
The fact is, Super anime is canon. The copy arc is Dragon ball Super.

Do you REALLY think Toriyama wrote that? It didn't feel like something written by him at all.

Besides, if it isn't in both the manga and the anime that means it WASN'T in the outline since I'd be surprised if either side would see something in the outline and just completely ignore it.

[Nejishiki]

Precedence exists where the anime continuity of Dragon Ball Super forsakes Super Saiyan Goku Black while the manga continuity pays mind to Goku Black's design sheet notes. Frankly, no one can reliably gauge how the two mediums are working together. The supposed rules of how particular sections of the original outline (which we're not allowed to see) will be showcased in the final products aren't necessarily the truth. What can be perceived as "ignoring details" could simply be intentional creative differences. Everyone was encouraged to take their own direction, after all. It wouldn't suit them well to be too similar; Motive to try both adaptions should exist. To be clear, I don't particularly think that arc was written by Toriyama. I'm addressing the notion that everything has to be adapted literally. I don't think that was even the case for Resurrection F either.

[TekTheNinja]

Precedence exists where the anime continuity of Dragon Ball Super forsakes Super Saiyan Goku Black while the manga continuity pays mind to Goku Black's design sheet notes

What makes you think he won't go rose in the next chapter?

[Nejishiki]

You misunderstood. I never made an opinion about Super Saiyan Rosé. I said the anime continuity didn't use regular Super Saiyan for Goku Black and that it's likely intentional on their part. The second part of my statement said that the manga continuity decided to give it use in its story. The ultimate point being, "if it isn't in both the manga and the anime that means it WASN'T in the outline since I'd be surprised if either side would see something in the outline and just completely ignore it", isn't a hard rule that's followed. My link supported the idea given that Toriyama writes Goku Black can do both. Both mediums don't have to take the same route if Toriyama specifically writes something.