Saikyo no Senshi wrote:
Let's also not pretend that the arc didn't have problems and it didn't started to suffer once it started doing full action episodes.
I don't think it suffered from full action episodes, actually these are the ones I enjoyed the most. IMO this arc, despite flaws I am certainly not denying, has shown Super can do a great job with fireworks and let's not kid ourselves, we like fireworks lol
You clearly said "Super should do what it's good for and that's without question SoL", maybe you didn't mean it like that but for me I clearly hear you think it should do exclusively SoL eps, which I disagree with as I consider both elements to be crucial pillars of this series.
Your statement also heavily implies that SoL eps are the only good thing Super has managed to do right, which I also disagree with as you could see in my first point.
goku the krump dancer wrote:Can it Really be considered filler though? Because its not like the main arcs aside from the first to are based on any source material.
Yes I'm watching them.
I think the u6 and future trunks arc are based on toriyama outline
but yeah I'm watching them because filler and Sol is the best thing about super
goku the krump dancer wrote:Can it Really be considered filler though? Because its not like the main arcs aside from the first to are based on any source material.
Yes I'm watching them.
Technicaly Toriyama's outline is the source material.
No need to get into the hole of super being all canon so there can't possibly be any filler..
Yes, we can't pretend copy Vegeta never happened, but we are fully capable of understanding what are the main stories, toie themselves announce it
The Lord moves in mysterious ways but you don't have to. Please use your blinker
Yep. The filler episodes of Super have been mostly consistently good and arguably Super's strongest attribute.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
I'm expecting these to be better than the next arc. I've enjoyed the fillers more than every other episode of Super save for the majority of the Future Trunks arc.
Merged Zamasu wrote:I'm rewatching the entire Future Trunks Arc. I am saddened by the wasted potential of Merged Zamasu. They should have kept his glorious and shining form that we saw in Episode 65. But nooo, we clearly needed yet another Broly clone.
Yeah he was pretty wasted, but I kind of saw it coming when he transformed. Dragon Ball has a bad habit of having sort-lived forms like Super 17, who was only in five episodes of GT yet has an entire arc named after him.
SSJ Human wrote:Dragon Ball has a bad habit of having sort-lived forms like Super 17, who was only in five episodes of GT yet has an entire arc named after him.
The Super No. 17 arc is 7 episodes. With the titular antagonist appearing in its 4th episode & lasting for 4 episodes, he's featured for 57% of the arc. Alone, that seems to be "barely more than half" of the arc but being absent for 3 episodes isn't too bad, I think. It was buildup, if I remember that correctly. The rest of the arc is dedicated towards fighting him. Whether or not 3 episodes were necessary to establish Super No. 17 is another conversation.
SSJ Human wrote:Dragon Ball has a bad habit of having sort-lived forms like Super 17, who was only in five episodes of GT yet has an entire arc named after him.
The Super No. 17 arc is 7 episodes. With the titular antagonist appearing in its 4th episode & lasting for 4 episodes, he's featured for 57% of the arc. Alone, that seems to be "barely more than half" of the arc but being absent for 3 episodes isn't too bad, I think. It was buildup, if I remember that correctly. The rest of the arc is dedicated towards fighting him. Whether or not 3 episodes were necessary to establish Super No. 17 is another conversation.
My problem is with the arc being short and his appearances being short. Cell was 50 episodes and Buu was about the same off the top of my head. Super 17 wasn't even a fifth of that.
As long as they make the universal survival arc good and long then I wont care for these episodes. The only good filler episodes are 42 and 70 . Episode 76 might be good only becuase Krillin is involved.
Overall January 2017 is going to be a crap month based on the summaries and so will episode 77 in February.
The upcoming "filler" episodes sound like they're going to be pretty good, especially the one with [spoiler]Goku and Krillin training together and encountering all of their old enemies.[/spoiler]
UpFromTheSkies wrote:The upcoming "filler" episodes sound like they're going to be pretty good, especially the one with [spoiler]Goku and Krillin training together and fighting all of their old enemies.[/spoiler]
That's actually the one I'm least looking forward to. My interest is more in the Gohan episode, I'm hoping it'll be hilarious and productive.
UpFromTheSkies wrote:The upcoming "filler" episodes sound like they're going to be pretty good, especially the one with [spoiler]Goku and Krillin training together and fighting all of their old enemies.[/spoiler]
That's actually the one I'm least looking forward to. My interest is more in the Gohan episode, I'm hoping it'll be hilarious and productive.
I personally can't wait for EP77. Purely for Vegeta's reactions to Bulma being pregnant. It also like a barrel of laughs with a crowning moment of heartwarming.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
UpFromTheSkies wrote:The upcoming "filler" episodes sound like they're going to be pretty good, especially the one with [spoiler]Goku and Krillin training together and fighting all of their old enemies.[/spoiler]
That's actually the one I'm least looking forward to. My interest is more in the Gohan episode, I'm hoping it'll be hilarious and productive.
I personally can't wait for EP77. Purely for Vegeta's reactions to Bulma being pregnant. It also like a barrel of laughs with a crowning moment of heartwarming.
That's my #2, but I doubt it'll last all episode since that's supposed to be the beginning of the Survival Arc. Or am I mistaken?
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
That's actually the one I'm least looking forward to. My interest is more in the Gohan episode, I'm hoping it'll be hilarious and productive.
I personally can't wait for EP77. Purely for Vegeta's reactions to Bulma being pregnant. It also like a barrel of laughs with a crowning moment of heartwarming.
That's my #2, but I doubt it'll last all episode since that's supposed to be the beginning of the Survival Arc. Or am I mistaken?
Yes. The Universal Survival arc will be underway by the time that episode airs.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Brettjr25 wrote:Its different from Naruto, Bleach etc. With those animes, the "filler" was (and still is imo) material that wasnt written by the original author .
I don't think Toriyama has written the "fillers", either.
