What's the difference between Zen'o and Freeza?

[Merged Zamasu]

Zeno uses propaganda to maintain control over his subjects, because his slaves (Gowasu, Supreme Kai, Beerus, Whis, and many other deities) believe Zeno can't be wrong and anyone who dares rebel against Zeno is automatically evil, regardless of their intentions. Zeno rules over a flawed Multiverse of cowards, sullied by mortals' violence and Gods' incompetence. Only one saw the true beauty of the Universe, only one understood the true potential of the Universe. Alas, he has recently died for his ideals, killed by the liar Zeno.

On a side note, time-travel is forbidden and a sin against the Gods, but when it's Zeno to do that, then there is no problem. Zeno not only rules with an iron fist, but also abuses the laws of the Universe. Preposterous.

[Kanassa]

It's a mistake to compare Zeno-chan to anyone. He's God, he can't be judged by any morality because they are humans creations.

Well, until we find out that there's a god beyond him

[Lord Beerus]

It's a mistake to compare Zeno-chan to anyone. He's God, he can't be judged by any morality because they are humans creations.

Well, until we find out that there's a god beyond him

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[Tsufuru]

But you do agree they are both dictators that use fear and propaganda to control their subjects?

Personalities aside, there is little difference between Zeno's regime and Frieza's regime. I hope Zeno will die at the end of the Tournament, he is a liar, a psycopath who destroys entire Universes out of sheer enjoyment. He does not deserve to live when Zamasu and Frieza got killed for much less. The fact he is Goku's friend does not mean we should suddenly forget about the 6 Universes he destroyed for...no real reason.

what are you talking about when did he enjoy destroying a universe?
he is in the position to do whatever he wants.
the universes belong to him.period.

[Merged Zamasu]

But you do agree they are both dictators that use fear and propaganda to control their subjects?

Personalities aside, there is little difference between Zeno's regime and Frieza's regime. I hope Zeno will die at the end of the Tournament, he is a liar, a psycopath who destroys entire Universes out of sheer enjoyment. He does not deserve to live when Zamasu and Frieza got killed for much less. The fact he is Goku's friend does not mean we should suddenly forget about the 6 Universes he destroyed for...no real reason.

what are you talking about when did he enjoy destroying a universe?
he is in the position to do whatever he wants.
the universes belong to him.period.

Ah, a reply i can carefully tear apart. Where shall i start?

1) Zeno destroyed 6 Universes because he was bored and, FOR SOME VERY GOOD REASONS (i guess), threw a 4-years-old tantrum;

2) Following your logic, why did we attempt to stop Zamasu from destroying Future Earth? He was stronger than any other Earthling, thus he was in the position to do whatever he wanted, thus he wasn't evil. Finally, people are starting to realize Zamasu was a saviour and a good guy all along. Oh, i will wait for your return Zamasu, you were the true God of the Multiverse;

3) Just because the Universes belong to Zeno doesn't mean he can do whatever he wants. Imagine in what world we'd live in today if everyone adapted your (flawed) mentality. Killing billions of innocents because you are childlish has no excuses. Zeno is a threat to the Universe, and must be put down.

[gohan_black]

this is a legit post indeed. there is no real diffrence beside that zeno is a god and frieza isnt. but yeha that pretty solid argument. you may add beerus into that argument and maybe even whis since he is supervizing him. noticed how since the z fighters became friends with beerus he stopped destroying all together. he is the god of destruction and this is his job. but it seems like toei afraid that this will make him look like a vilian,

[Merged Zamasu]

this is a legit post indeed. there is no real diffrence beside that zeno is a god and frieza isnt. but yeha that pretty solid argument. you may add beerus into that argument and maybe even whis since he is supervizing him. noticed how since the z fighters became friends with beerus he stopped destroying all together. he is the god of destruction and this is his job. but it seems like toei afraid that this will make him look like a vilian,

Indeed. Zeno is actually somewhat worse than Frieza. While Frieza has a motivation for destroying planets (they might be a threat to his Empire), Zeno destroys entire UNIVERSES just because he happens to be in a bad mood.

You also bring up a good point when talking about Beerus. He doesn't care about the laws of the Universe, he has his own agenda. I'll briefly bring Zamasu into this discussion. It's easy to blame Zamasu using arguments like "It's a God of Destruction's job to destroy planets, not a Supreme Kai's", but it's hard to follow that logic when the Gods of Destruction are complete incompetent megalomaniac who completely disregard the Universe's well-being and their duties as Gods of Destruction.

[Gog]

this is a legit post indeed. there is no real diffrence beside that zeno is a god and frieza isnt. but yeha that pretty solid argument. you may add beerus into that argument and maybe even whis since he is supervizing him. noticed how since the z fighters became friends with beerus he stopped destroying all together. he is the god of destruction and this is his job. but it seems like toei afraid that this will make him look like a vilian,

Indeed. Zeno is actually somewhat worse than Frieza. While Frieza has a motivation for destroying planets (they might be a threat to his Empire), Zeno destroys entire UNIVERSES just because he happens to be in a bad mood.

You also bring up a good point when talking about Beerus. He doesn't care about the laws of the Universe, he has his own agenda. I'll briefly bring Zamasu into this discussion. It's easy to blame Zamasu using arguments like "It's a God of Destruction's job to destroy planets, not a Supreme Kai's", but it's hard to follow that logic when the Gods of Destruction are complete incompetent megalomaniac who completely disregard the Universe's well-being and their duties as Gods of Destruction.

Have you figured out the secret of Dragon Ball Super Zamasu? That ever single one of the god's are assholes, heh, heh, heh prehaps you should have just simply kill off the... Oh wait you did

[Merged Zamasu]

this is a legit post indeed. there is no real diffrence beside that zeno is a god and frieza isnt. but yeha that pretty solid argument. you may add beerus into that argument and maybe even whis since he is supervizing him. noticed how since the z fighters became friends with beerus he stopped destroying all together. he is the god of destruction and this is his job. but it seems like toei afraid that this will make him look like a vilian,

Indeed. Zeno is actually somewhat worse than Frieza. While Frieza has a motivation for destroying planets (they might be a threat to his Empire), Zeno destroys entire UNIVERSES just because he happens to be in a bad mood.

You also bring up a good point when talking about Beerus. He doesn't care about the laws of the Universe, he has his own agenda. I'll briefly bring Zamasu into this discussion. It's easy to blame Zamasu using arguments like "It's a God of Destruction's job to destroy planets, not a Supreme Kai's", but it's hard to follow that logic when the Gods of Destruction are complete incompetent megalomaniac who completely disregard the Universe's well-being and their duties as Gods of Destruction.

Have you figured out the secret of Dragon Ball Super Zamasu? That ever single one of the god's are assholes, heh, heh, heh prehaps you should have just simply kill off the... Oh wait you did

Yes, all Gods are weak and incompetent, they are fools who allowed their creations, mortals, to surpass them. For the utopian world to come, there can be only one God. You cannot understand the dignity of my words, nor my theory, nor my beauty.

[Gog]

Indeed. Zeno is actually somewhat worse than Frieza. While Frieza has a motivation for destroying planets (they might be a threat to his Empire), Zeno destroys entire UNIVERSES just because he happens to be in a bad mood.

You also bring up a good point when talking about Beerus. He doesn't care about the laws of the Universe, he has his own agenda. I'll briefly bring Zamasu into this discussion. It's easy to blame Zamasu using arguments like "It's a God of Destruction's job to destroy planets, not a Supreme Kai's", but it's hard to follow that logic when the Gods of Destruction are complete incompetent megalomaniac who completely disregard the Universe's well-being and their duties as Gods of Destruction.

Have you figured out the secret of Dragon Ball Super Zamasu? That ever single one of the god's are assholes, heh, heh, heh prehaps you should have just simply kill off the... Oh wait you did

Yes, all Gods are weak and incompetent, they are fools who allowed their creations, mortals, to surpass them. For the utopian world to come, there can be only one God. You cannot understand the dignity of my words, nor my theory, nor my beauty.

But I am Gog, the beast beneath the sea, oh hell I'll just quote my self



I am the eternal darkness, the eternal plague of pestilence, the beast that sleeps beneath the seas, the end of civilizations, the Armageddon of worlds, the crazy Freeza fan boy. I am the hopeless situation that the hero can never over come, I am what wakes you up at night, I am the ultimate sin that should never have been, and I am the defiler of spirits.

You can call me Gog, if my true name is too long for you though. Hanging around Kanzenshuu for some reason, and have developed a horrid fascination for Freeza, his family, and his race.

You can still call me Gog though.

I understand your ideals, your words Zamasu. I once tried it myself, however instead of wiping out all mortals I decided to wipe out all of creation, unfortunately I was imprisoned beneath the seas, in an alternate dimension, where I con only spy on the 12 universes.

[Faisal Shourov]

What a rubbish OP. Just because both destroy doesn't mean both are same

1. Frieza knows he's evil. Omni-King doesn't know evil/good concept as it's created by mortals who fear death. Omni-King is immortal so evil doesn't apply to him.

2. Frieza tried to conquer the universe. Omni-king doesn't interfere with anything unless provoked or insulted. If he did then the multiverse would be gone by now

3. Frieza has motivations for his work. Omni-king doesn't, nor he needs any.

4. If Frieza was in Omni-KIng's place then everybody in the multiverse would be slaves, including the angels. Omni-King respects his underlings.

They're very different characters in every way

[Kanassa]

4. If Frieza was in Omni-KIng's place then everybody in the multiverse would be slaves, including the angels. Omni-King respects his underlings.

I don't think he respects his underlings, he just isn't a dick to them every second. Hell, I bet he barely remembers that they exist most of the time.

[Animelover5487]

What a rubbish OP. Just because both destroy doesn't mean both are same

1. Frieza knows he's evil. Omni-King doesn't know evil/good concept as it's created by mortals who fear death. Omni-King is immortal so evil doesn't apply to him.

2. Frieza tried to conquer the universe. Omni-king doesn't interfere with anything unless provoked or insulted. If he did then the multiverse would be gone by now

3. Frieza has motivations for his work. Omni-king doesn't, nor he needs any.

4. If Frieza was in Omni-KIng's place then everybody in the multiverse would be slaves, including the angels. Omni-King respects his underlings.

They're very different characters in every way

Seeing as Zen'o destroyed six universe, killing many of his underlings in the process and didn't know (or care) that Zamasu and Black killed all the gods in the multiverse, I seriously doubt Zen'o cares about his underlings.

[Merged Zamasu]

What a rubbish OP. Just because both destroy doesn't mean both are same

Such boldness, clearly proportional to your ineptitude. Now, where shall i begin to tear this post apart piecie by piece?

1. Frieza knows he's evil. Omni-King doesn't know evil/good concept as it's created by mortals who fear death. Omni-King is immortal so evil doesn't apply to him.

If you had actually read the thread, you'd know that i wasn't comparing their personalities, but their type of regime. Also, then i guess Zamasu is not evil, right? Because he was a God and was immortal. Ah, finally, you can see that Lord Zamasu was the savior of the Universe, may he finally rest in peace.

2. Frieza tried to conquer the universe. Omni-king doesn't interfere with anything unless provoked or insulted. If he did then the multiverse would be gone by now

Zeno has nothing to conquer. What new lands would he send his troops to? He is the king of everything, how is he supposed to expand his dominion when he already controls every galaxy and Universe?

3. Frieza has motivations for his work. Omni-king doesn't, nor he needs any.

But he needs motivations to appear like the benevolent God he is supposed to be. Blowing up 6 Universes because he is a brat shows only one thing: that he abuses his power. Just because he is more powerful than any, doesn't mean he can just kill innocents beacuse he is bored one day. Let's be serious for a moment please, if you kill billions because you are in a bad mood, then you are a monstruosity, regardless of your status as God.

4. If Frieza was in Omni-KIng's place then everybody in the multiverse would be slaves, including the angels. Omni-King respects his underlings.

Really? The Omni-king respects his underlings? Have you actually watched Super? His underlings are scared shit of Zeno, if you don't bow down before Lord Zeno, you will be disintegrated. If you DARE to speak up against lord Zeno, like Zamasu did, you are marked as traitor and must be executed. The fact every God constantly bows down before Zeno, in fear and despair nonetheless, showes that Zeno does NOT respect his underlings, but that he is ready to vaporize them if they dare disrespect him for a moment. And like i said before, Zeno maintains control through fear, like Frieza did. Furthermore, Zeno didn't care shit that the underlings he respected so much were slaughtered by Black and Zamasu.

They're very different characters in every way

I mean, you skipped all posts previous to yours, so i know where your coming from. The petty "ZENO IS ON THE GOOD GUY'S SIDE THEREFORE HE IS GOOD" mentality.

[Simere]

Can you explain again why you don't apply your "gods should be respected and obeyed" logic to Zeno, the ultimate god of the multiverse, but you do to Zamasu, a lowly ministerial god of one universe?

[Merged Zamasu]

Can you explain again why you don't apply your "gods should be respected and obeyed" logic to Zeno, the ultimate god of the multiverse, but you do to Zamasu, a lowly ministerial god of one universe?

I did, and that further proves my point that Zeno's regime is the same as Frieza's regime. No freedom of speech, heavy use of propaganda, subjects are kept in-check through fear etc...

Also, get your facts straight when talking about Zamasu. He ascended past the simple boundaries of "Gods" and "mortals", by becoming one with the Universe itself. Such overwhelming power. Zamasu's wisdom trascended time and space. He might have started as an humble apprentice, but he died as a Supreme God, second only to Zeno. I also forgot to mention that Zamasu was a fighting prodigy and, even though he was only an apprentice, he was already considered a genius, even amongst the Supreme Kais. Not exactly a "lowly ministerial god of one universe".

[Saturnine]

I wonder why people are still humoring these threads.

[Merged Zamasu]

I wonder why people are still humoring these threads.

Implying there is anything wrong with my theory. All evidence points towards Zeno's regime being very similiar to Frieza's regime I.E. a totalitarian government where its subjects believe their leader (Zeno/Frieza) is perfect and flawless, and where any opposition is quickly crushed through force.

[Saturnine]

I wonder why people are still humoring these threads.

Implying there is anything wrong with my theory. All evidence points towards Zeno's regime being very similiar to Frieza's regime I.E. a totalitarian government where its subjects believe their leader (Zeno/Frieza) is perfect and flawless, and where any opposition is quickly crushed through force.

Nah, people just fear him because of what he can do. Just because he can, doesn't mean he does.

[Merged Zamasu]

I wonder why people are still humoring these threads.

Implying there is anything wrong with my theory. All evidence points towards Zeno's regime being very similiar to Frieza's regime I.E. a totalitarian government where its subjects believe their leader (Zeno/Frieza) is perfect and flawless, and where any opposition is quickly crushed through force.

Nah, people just fear him because of what he can do. Just because he can, doesn't mean he does.

Exactly, people fear him. It's through fear that Zeno rules his empire, just like Frieza did. I was comparing the two regimes, which happens to be quite similiar. If we want to talk about the characters themselves, Zeno being in a bad mood one day and thus erasing 6 Universes from existence makes Zeno a madman, regardless of how you look at it.