Is Vegito ruined?

[Kanassa]

He is in the sense that yet another power up, is now ruined as a generic who gives a shit power up

Vegito already was that.

[Gog]

He is in the sense that yet another power up, is now ruined as a generic who gives a shit power up...as well as contextually ruining a great moment in the Boo arc.

Vegito is a powerup, always has been, always will be. Doe you actually remember the story, that great moment in the Buu arc, was fucking shat on the moment they entered Buu, and split up.

It's now just a better fusion dance.....like how Super Saiyan 2, 3, etc. was a more powerful Super Saiyan form(s)...woo.......and exploitable to all hell...

It was originally a better fusion dance.

[Doctor.]

Gotenks has a personality.

To be fair, so does Vegetto in Super. We've actually seen his real personality now. In Z, he was faking it all the way through.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

People really like the idea of a permanent Vegetto, something that never would have happened anyway. Now that it's literally not possible, people are still salty over it.

To be fair, so does Vegetto in Super. We've actually seen his real personality now. In Z, he was faking it all the way through.

Not really. He's just a heroic insert, his actions, dialogue, etc. is interchangeable with anyone.

[Doctor.]

People really like the idea of a permanent Vegetto, something that never would have happened anyway. Now that it's literally not possible, people are still salty over it.

To be fair, so does Vegetto in Super. We've actually seen his real personality now. In Z, he was faking it all the way through.

Not really. He's just a heroic insert, his actions, dialogue, etc. is interchangeable with anyone.

I can't see Goku or Trunks taunting Zamasu to attack the same way Vegetto did, it's a Vegeta thing. Nor can I see anyone but Goku reacting to Zamasu's crying the same way. He shares similarities with Goku and Vegeta, of course, since they're his components, but replace him with Trunks, who actually is a generic hero, and you would get a much different result.

[sintzu]

If Goku and Vegeta continue to fight on their own and only fuse when it's life or death then yes.

I meant to say no.

As long as he only appears every once in a while then I don't think it'll ruin his character or the impact he has on the story.

[SSJ Ace Son]

yea i guess. i really wanted to see the two grow a bit more. especially goten.

Same. I'm a big Goten fan and while I like how they're moving towards his EOZ self, but I just wish they'd show him more

I CAN COMPLETELY AGREE. i want him to be amazing!

[SSJ Ace Son]

People really like the idea of a permanent Vegetto, something that never would have happened anyway. Now that it's literally not possible, people are still salty over it.

To be fair, so does Vegetto in Super. We've actually seen his real personality now. In Z, he was faking it all the way through.

Not really. He's just a heroic insert, his actions, dialogue, etc. is interchangeable with anyone.

i personally dont want a permanent vegito. i just think that if he was to be used, it should have been his spotlight something showcasing his talent thats all.

[Basaku]

Someone remind did the manga/anima ever actually stated a story excuse for Vegetto's defusion inside Buu? Or was it a case of the fanbase collectively making up an explanation and rolling with it?

[Doctor.]

Someone remind did the manga/anima ever actually stated a story excuse for Vegetto's defusion inside Buu? Or was it a case of the fanbase collectively making up an explanation and rolling with it?

Goku stated it could have been due to "bad air". That's all.

[SSJ Ace Son]

Very little screen time, no effort in the fight.. Super ruined it.

I don't get how a non-character and walking plot device has been ruined.

Hey!!

That would imply Gotenks is also a walking plot device.

yea, you see you understand what i mean. he had such short screen time that it was like saying he was weak , or they just did this so people would stop requesting it.

[Basaku]

Someone remind did the manga/anima ever actually stated a story excuse for Vegetto's defusion inside Buu? Or was it a case of the fanbase collectively making up an explanation and rolling with it?

Goku stated it could have been due to "bad air". That's all.

Well then, I guess SUper finally provided a legitimate excuse for that event after all these years

[SSJ Ace Son]

Someone remind did the manga/anima ever actually stated a story excuse for Vegetto's defusion inside Buu? Or was it a case of the fanbase collectively making up an explanation and rolling with it?

Goku stated it could have been due to "bad air". That's all.

Well then, I guess SUper finally provided a legitimate excuse for that event after all these years

lol

[Lord Beerus]

Vegetto is hardly ruined. Hell, if anything he just went from an easily exploitable plot device to a more reasonable "last throw of the dice" plot device. Plus, Vegetto didn;t have that much of character to begin with. His existence is based on a huge contrivance that lead to one of the biggest plotholes/asspulls in all of Dragon Ball, until Super retconned in a new limitation for Potara that also papered over that huge crack in the narrative.

Someone remind did the manga/anima ever actually stated a story excuse for Vegetto's defusion inside Buu? Or was it a case of the fanbase collectively making up an explanation and rolling with it?

Goku stated it could have been due to "bad air". That's all.

Well then, I guess SUper finally provided a legitimate excuse for that event after all these years

And people still upset over it.

[Faisal Shourov]

Vegito is not even a character, what is there to ruin him? His existence is only relevant to fanboys who're obsessed with power level.

[Nejishiki]

Every Zamasu Black arc consequence ruined everything
Vegito lost all his sense of urgency, by establishing that is no more a permanent fusion, and you can rely on potaras every time you need to do it

I'm not following you. Goku & Vegeta are too powerful to rely on Potara to solve their battles. The ki they burn with Vegetto Blue far exceeds the maximum time limit & what the earrings can naturally handle. The latest story arc established that it's better for characters to train for that realm of strength instead. Without Future Trunks, everyone else & innocents across the dimensions would suffer worse fates. He secured more lives than he forfeited (through no control of his own) & I believe you're failing to view the bigger picture at play in your assessment. Future Trunks doesn't "let" anything happen considering he fought for control until the bitter end. I find it unreasonable to claim his past, present, & future accomplishments are squandered thanks to the acts of a cruel god enacting a warped sense of justice on him.

[dbs fanboy]

While the retcon may be annoying, the fact that Vegetto took things seriously while fighting Zamasu made him better than in Z.

[TekTheNinja]

I don't get why so many people still cry about that "retcon"

Stop with the quotation marks. It's a retcon.
Retcon: "a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events, typically used to facilitate a dramatic plot shift or account for an inconsistency."
That's 100% what this is.

And there are multiple reasons it's annoying as fuck:
1: It makes potara fusion have no real drawbacks.
2: It makes potara fusion better than fusion dance in EVERY way.
3: It makes Elder Kaioshin look like an idiot who has no idea what he's talking about.
4: It means rather than being a last ditch effort, they can fuse whenever, without repercussions.
5: It's a pointless change when they previously established that the dragon balls can unfuse someone.
6: It meant we couldn't get any more time with Vegito, like was often hoped.
7: Pointless retcons in general are annoying (Even if it's something minor like Trunks' blue hair)
I could probably go on, but these are the main seven reasons.

(i even go to school and behave saiyan like, whch has gotten me in trouble)

I'm sorry, you do what? Please elaborate. XD

[Puto]

Potara fusion ALREADY had no drawbacks. Going by the old "being inside Boo caused them to defuse" version of the events, they could just run up to the fat Boo who lives with them and just ask him "hey, can you absorb us and spit us out right away after we're defused? Thanks!".

[Cetra]

I don't get why so many people still cry about that "retcon"

Stop with the quotation marks. It's a retcon.
Retcon: "a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events, typically used to facilitate a dramatic plot shift or account for an inconsistency."

"Retroactive continuity, or retcon for short,[1][2] is a literary device in which new information is added to already established facts in the continuity of a fictional work.[3]"

Source: Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroactive_continuity

When was Boo's air an established fact?