Is Vegito ruined?

SSJ Ace Son · Post by **SSJ Ace Son** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:02 pm

When Vegito appeared in Dragon Ball Super, i wasnt very impressed, i feel that it was short (which it was) and didnt have much meaning. And what about goten? They really ruined these two for me. And when is gohan coming back, dont tell me that watagashi episode was his time, are you serious? I am in love with dragon ball super(and dbz) and i always will, (i even go to school and behave saiyan like, whch has gotten me in trouble) but this has upset me.

Doctor. · Post by **Doctor.** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:04 pm

I don't get how a non-character and walking plot device has been ruined.

SSJ Ace Son · Post by **SSJ Ace Son** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:07 pm

(and allow me to say vegito appearing isnt meaningless, it pays tribute to one of my fav characters, it was just so short)

SSJ Ace Son · Post by **SSJ Ace Son** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:08 pm

Doctor. wrote:I don't get how a non-character and walking plot device has been ruined.

I'm sorry i dont quite understand.

Doctor. · Post by **Doctor.** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:14 pm

SSJ Ace Son wrote:
Doctor. wrote:I don't get how a non-character and walking plot device has been ruined.
I'm sorry i dont quite understand.

Vegetto is barely a character, he's a tool that was created when Toriyama wrote himself into a corner and couldn't think of a way of defeating the super strong bad guy he built up.

SSJ Ace Son · Post by **SSJ Ace Son** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:15 pm

oh, i understand, but what about goten?

kinisking · Post by **kinisking** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:22 pm

SSJ Ace Son wrote:oh, i understand, but what about goten?

He summarized what I think about vegito. He's much better with this weakness.

Gotens character has actually gotten better, we just haven't really seen him much .

Gohan will get his time to shine.

SSJ Ace Son · Post by **SSJ Ace Son** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:24 pm

yea i guess. i really wanted to see the two grow a bit more. especially goten.

Ki Breaker · Post by **Ki Breaker** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:25 pm

SSJ Ace Son wrote:yea i guess. i really wanted to see the two grow a bit more. especially goten.

They are growing up soon, we have Hints dropped in the show and there's eoz..

SSJ Ace Son · Post by **SSJ Ace Son** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:27 pm

OHHH i cant wait!!!!! i cant even wait to see bulla!

this series is always full of suprises!

sintzu · Post by **sintzu** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:59 pm

It depends on how he's used.

If Goku and Vegeta continue to fight on their own and only fuse when it's life or death then yes.

As of now I don't think so cause he got great screen time (although short) and they didn't change his personality like GT did with Gogeta.

MrBlackFox · Post by **MrBlackFox** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:56 pm

Every Zamasu Black arc consequence ruined everything
Vegito lost all his sense of urgency, by establishing that is no more a permanent fusion, and you can rely on potaras every time you need to do it

Then, ruined Future Trunks too, he ends being basically a pussy who didn't save nothing but Mai, and let his universe and all his loves be destroyed, living Now with himself and another Mai, and burning all his struggles to beat androids and cell

I still have nightmares and remorse by thinking to that epilogue, one of the worst, if not THE worst ever, and all is worsen by thinking we'll not have ft returning anymore to shine again

TheMathemagician · Post by **TheMathemagician** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 2:11 pm

sintzu wrote:It depends on how he's used.

If Goku and Vegeta continue to fight on their own and only fuse when it's life or death then yes.

As of now I don't think so cause he got great screen time (although short) and they didn't change his personality like GT did with Gogeta.

Agreed with this. I loved that he was still his cocky self. Still, I also liked that Zamasu legitimately gave him a challenge.

MrBlackFox wrote:Every Zamasu Black arc consequence ruined everything
Vegito lost all his sense of urgency, by establishing that is no more a permanent fusion, and you can rely on potaras every time you need to do it

Then, ruined Future Trunks too, he ends being basically a pussy who didn't save nothing but Mai, and let his universe and all his loves be destroyed, living Now with himself and another Mai, and burning all his struggles to beat androids and cell

I still have nightmares and remorse by thinking to that epilogue, one of the worst, if not THE worst ever, and all is worsen by thinking we'll not have ft returning anymore to shine again

I don't know, I thought the ending consequence was great. I loved that it was sort of a pyrrhic victory.

emperior · Post by **emperior** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 2:25 pm

Doctor. wrote:
SSJ Ace Son wrote:
Doctor. wrote:I don't get how a non-character and walking plot device has been ruined.
I'm sorry i dont quite understand.
Vegetto is barely a character, he's a tool that was created when Toriyama wrote himself into a corner and couldn't think of a way of defeating the super strong bad guy he built up.

Couldn't have said it any better. I don't get why so many people still cry about that "retcon"

About Goten and Trunks, it feels strange going from Buu arc where they are major characters, to DBS where they are just background ones.
Even though that's in line with the end of Z, I feel like they could have done more with them. Let's see what excuse they'll use to not have them take part to the next tournament.

(1000th post!)

SSJ Ace Son · Post by **SSJ Ace Son** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 2:59 pm

all of you have great opinions, thank you!

Dbzfan94 · Post by **Dbzfan94** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:10 pm

SSJ Ace Son wrote:yea i guess. i really wanted to see the two grow a bit more. especially goten.

Same. I'm a big Goten fan and while I like how they're moving towards his EOZ self, but I just wish they'd show him more

Freeza9000 · Post by **Freeza9000** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:30 pm

I'm gonna quote what I said in another thread which was the Unpopular Opinions one:

Freeza9000 wrote:I honestly don't think that Vegetto was as useless and a "complete waste" as many people claim him to be in the previous Zamasu arc. I mean, Merged Zamasu was pretty nearby Goku and co's shelter ready to get vengeance. If not for Vegeta and Goku fusing to form Vegetto, Zamasu would've killed everyone in that shelter, including Gowasu, Kaioshin of U7, Trunks, Goku, and Vegeta. Although I will agree with one thing, the ending and climax of this arc was rushed and I do agree that Vegetto's fight with Zamasu could've lasted a bit longer than it did.

Eternal Super Saiyan · Post by **Eternal Super Saiyan** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:48 pm

Very little screen time, no effort in the fight.. Super ruined it.

Doctor. wrote:I don't get how a non-character and walking plot device has been ruined.

Hey!!

That would imply Gotenks is also a walking plot device.

Jinzoningen MULE · Post by **Jinzoningen MULE** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:50 pm

Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:Very little screen time, no effort in the fight.. Super ruined it.

Doctor. wrote:I don't get how a non-character and walking plot device has been ruined.
Hey!!

That would imply Gotenks is also a walking plot device.

Gotenks has a personality.

dbzfan7 · Post by **dbzfan7** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:54 pm

He is in the sense that yet another power up, is now ruined as a generic who gives a shit power up...as well as contextually ruining a great moment in the Boo arc. It's now just a better fusion dance.....like how Super Saiyan 2, 3, etc. was a more powerful Super Saiyan form(s)...woo.......and exploitable to all hell...

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