When Vegito appeared in Dragon Ball Super, i wasnt very impressed, i feel that it was short (which it was) and didnt have much meaning. And what about goten? They really ruined these two for me. And when is gohan coming back, dont tell me that watagashi episode was his time, are you serious? I am in love with dragon ball super(and dbz) and i always will, (i even go to school and behave saiyan like, whch has gotten me in trouble) but this has upset me.
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(and allow me to say vegito appearing isnt meaningless, it pays tribute to one of my fav characters, it was just so short)
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Doctor. wrote:I don't get how a non-character and walking plot device has been ruined.
I'm sorry i dont quite understand.
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Doctor. wrote:I don't get how a non-character and walking plot device has been ruined.
I'm sorry i dont quite understand.
Vegetto is barely a character, he's a tool that was created when Toriyama wrote himself into a corner and couldn't think of a way of defeating the super strong bad guy he built up.
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SSJ Ace Son wrote:oh, i understand, but what about goten?
He summarized what I think about vegito. He's much better with this weakness.
Gotens character has actually gotten better, we just haven't really seen him much .
Gohan will get his time to shine.
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yea i guess. i really wanted to see the two grow a bit more. especially goten.
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OHHH i cant wait!!!!! i cant even wait to see bulla! this series is always full of suprises!
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Every Zamasu Black arc consequence ruined everything
Vegito lost all his sense of urgency, by establishing that is no more a permanent fusion, and you can rely on potaras every time you need to do it
Then, ruined Future Trunks too, he ends being basically a pussy who didn't save nothing but Mai, and let his universe and all his loves be destroyed, living Now with himself and another Mai, and burning all his struggles to beat androids and cell
I still have nightmares and remorse by thinking to that epilogue, one of the worst, if not THE worst ever, and all is worsen by thinking we'll not have ft returning anymore to shine again
If Goku and Vegeta continue to fight on their own and only fuse when it's life or death then yes.
As of now I don't think so cause he got great screen time (although short) and they didn't change his personality like GT did with Gogeta.
Agreed with this. I loved that he was still his cocky self. Still, I also liked that Zamasu legitimately gave him a challenge.
MrBlackFox wrote:Every Zamasu Black arc consequence ruined everything
Vegito lost all his sense of urgency, by establishing that is no more a permanent fusion, and you can rely on potaras every time you need to do it
Then, ruined Future Trunks too, he ends being basically a pussy who didn't save nothing but Mai, and let his universe and all his loves be destroyed, living Now with himself and another Mai, and burning all his struggles to beat androids and cell
I still have nightmares and remorse by thinking to that epilogue, one of the worst, if not THE worst ever, and all is worsen by thinking we'll not have ft returning anymore to shine again
I don't know, I thought the ending consequence was great. I loved that it was sort of a pyrrhic victory.
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Doctor. wrote:I don't get how a non-character and walking plot device has been ruined.
I'm sorry i dont quite understand.
Vegetto is barely a character, he's a tool that was created when Toriyama wrote himself into a corner and couldn't think of a way of defeating the super strong bad guy he built up.
Couldn't have said it any better. I don't get why so many people still cry about that "retcon"
About Goten and Trunks, it feels strange going from Buu arc where they are major characters, to DBS where they are just background ones.
Even though that's in line with the end of Z, I feel like they could have done more with them. Let's see what excuse they'll use to not have them take part to the next tournament.
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I'm gonna quote what I said in another thread which was the Unpopular Opinions one:
Freeza9000 wrote:I honestly don't think that Vegetto was as useless and a "complete waste" as many people claim him to be in the previous Zamasu arc. I mean, Merged Zamasu was pretty nearby Goku and co's shelter ready to get vengeance. If not for Vegeta and Goku fusing to form Vegetto, Zamasu would've killed everyone in that shelter, including Gowasu, Kaioshin of U7, Trunks, Goku, and Vegeta. Although I will agree with one thing, the ending and climax of this arc was rushed and I do agree that Vegetto's fight with Zamasu could've lasted a bit longer than it did.
He is in the sense that yet another power up, is now ruined as a generic who gives a shit power up...as well as contextually ruining a great moment in the Boo arc. It's now just a better fusion dance.....like how Super Saiyan 2, 3, etc. was a more powerful Super Saiyan form(s)...woo.......and exploitable to all hell...
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.