Bejita wrote:I think Gohan's SSJ2 hair doesn't even grow to be honest, I'm talking from SSJ1 to 2, I think that is realistically the length oh his hair fully extended due to the high pressure of Ki and static electricity, take his SSJ 1 hair and remove the bends and start upward from the hair line and add sharpness from the electric and his hair naturally would be that long fully stretched on end, you'd be suprised how much your hair can stretch.
Say WHAT?! Bejita, does your theory apply to the original images or the new art direction where they butchered the look completely?
I am actually talking about the original art Toriyama drew for SSJ1 and 2 Gohan.
Bejita then wrote:Anyway, I can see a significant loss of hair length in the new images found in games and on DVD's, and looking at the image used in Budokai 3, it's, to put it plaintly, shit.
It's like they stripped Toriyama's style of drawing completely, and there was a point where I got used to this polished style and even started to think it was cool, but looking back at it now, that just isn't Gohan, his head is abnormaly large, there's more strands of hair and it's shorter, and it's got more curls in it when the original's is more upright. The drawing is neat but not good, his arms are tiny.
Although I can tell the the artist of that pictures thinks he did a wonderful job, I don't, and to be frank, I don't even think Toriyama is happy with that, he must be like, 'yea, whatever', he is a very laid back man. The stlye he used for the eyes and shape of face is a nice rounded style, with the not many sharp corners, so they look more life like, if that other Gohan was real I wouldn't want to get near him incase I stab myself on one of the sharp edges!
Come to think of it, there's a shot in the anime that almost exactly resembles the Budokai 3 Dragon Universe image. When Cell gets upset and throws the two Kienzan at Gohan (on the first episode of the "Sacrifice" DVD, I think), the image of him holding the two discs off looks like it has the same short hair and tiny arms. I'll see if I can't find a screenshot . . .
Myself, I do like the whole "polished" effect and I love watching how the original art style becomes more and more detailed as the years go by . . . it's truly beautiful work, in some areas . . . but then there's a bizarre, unneeded change like SSJ2 Gohan's hair that makes you wonder why. I can imagine Toriyama-sensei not really minding as you say, but I can just as easily picture him inwardly fussing as an artist about why Toei changes a particular thing to look the way it does. If I were the one who drew the DBZ characters, I'd look at the Budokai 3 image and feel slighted.
If I was Toriyama I would definately be unpleased with the style of art the artists are producing. I mean, he is the original artist, they are his drawings, his characters and his designs, what decision is it of another person to say which is preffered? This is why he must be a very humble person who isn't the type to cause a stir about small things altered completely even in the anime itself, for example, Dodoria killing Karugo rather than Freeza who originally does, and many other things, like the killing of the Cell Juniors which was done completely different. He just doesn't give a shit, if it was me, personally, I would have tried to do something about these changes, I made the original, I call the shots.
I'm sure if The Simpsons originated as a comic and the following designs by recent artists started doing things like altering the length of Marge's hair or putting more hair strands on Homer's head because they prefer it Matt Groening wouldn't be very pleased.
A lot of the artists seem to make their own style even in the anime, maybe in Japan everyone is very indipendant with their ways of doing things, even if it's an idea originally from somebody else, probably why many of their cars are copies of models made originally in Europe or USA.
I'm not suprised he didn't draw the covers for the new Dragonbox DVD's, the Kanzenban was what he was hoping to be the last of Dragonball he'd ever had to draw, and you can tell he did a very good job with these, then he must have got to anime producer's asking for him to do the covers and he must have said no.
And to add, a lot of people think the Kanzenban covers is his new style when it is in fact his first stlye polished off, look through the manga and you will see the same style used through out, apart from some of the Cell saga where he used the sharp edged style, but I still see many rounded style drawings in the manga throughout. [/quote]
