Who is the Evil-Doer? (DBS 127 spoilers)

[Grimlock]

The evildoer that murdered and killed everyone that Jiren loved and cared for. Who do you think it is?

The plot. He has killed many before and will kill much more.

[dragon boss z]

It was either el grande padre or red Shaggy, not sure yet.

[mahakaishin1991]

It's Goten.

Goten black you mean

[mahakaishin1991]

Its Farmer with Shotgun. He's a universe jumper and was just too strong until Jiren got stronger, fled to U7, and met Raditz. And so, it all begins.

Raditz stronger than Jiren confirmed

I need this as a Fighter Z DLC story stat

[Dbzfan94]

Saskue- i mean Jiren's older brother Itachi

[Tian]

What if the evil guy turns out to be Vermoud? You know, a M. Night Shyamalan style plot twist.

[Freeza9000]

It's no other than the man himself:
[spoiler]EL HERMANO
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[Black Hawk]

Plot twist: Jiren has been as powerful as he is now from the very beginning, but he initially didn't know it and certainly couldn't control it. He went out of control and massacred his entire village without even realizing it, then came back to find them dead. The man who raised and trained him did so in order to enable Jiren to control his power and not go berserk again, then brought him back to the village where he intended to tell Jiren the truth about what happened. When the group made it to the village, though, the sight of the village caused Jiren to lose control again and he unknowingly killed everyone he knew, including the man who trained him. The others who refused to accompany Jiren from there out of fear refused because they were the only ones to survive Jiren's subconscious onslaught. To this day, Jiren doesn't know that he's the one who killed his family. Belmod took notice of Jiren's power and kept on eye on him from then on in hopes that he'd be able to manipulate and use him one day; the Tournament of Power finally gave him that chance.

Nah. Too deep for a finale with four episodes left.

[mahakaishin1991]

What if the evil guy turns out to be Vermoud? You know, a M. Night Shyamalan style plot twist.

I'm more expecting Jiren's wish to change the past sends him back, and realizing what will happen without him being as strong as he is, he decides to kill his family himself and thus becomes his own making

[theherodjl]

It should just be Belmod, he's the most convenient choice anyways.
He's long since wanted to retire and give the title of Hakaishin to someone else but no one around is strong enough to undertake it so what does he do? He disguises himself and deliberately torments a young Jiren by systematically killing his family and friends at different intervals of Jiren's life thus making the young fighter obsessed with ever-growing strength to protect those that he values, Jiren unknowingly growing in power under the Hakaishin's supervision and eventually surassing him. Belmod even knows all the details of Jiren's story, unless Jiren or Marcarita (using her staff)spilled everything to Belmod then the only other way he could know is by having played some role in Jiren's origins. However since Jiren has repeatedly rejected the offer to become Hakaishin and put an end to the plan, Belmod simply decided to withhold the truth from Jiren and move on to someone else(Toppo in this case).
Who else but a Hakaishin could push an ordinary individual to such immense power from practically nothing?

[SupremeKai25]

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Coincidence? I think not![/spoiler]

[Zillamon51]

It was Toppo. That was a test, to wipe out a bunch of innocents, to prove he has what it takes to be a GoD.

[majinwarman]

It should just be Belmod, he's the most convenient choice anyways.
He's long since wanted to retire and give the title of Hakaishin to someone else but no one around is strong enough to undertake it so what does he do? He disguises himself and deliberately torments a young Jiren by systematically killing his family and friends at different intervals of Jiren's life thus making the young fighter obsessed with ever-growing strength to protect those that he values, Jiren unknowingly growing in power under the Hakaishin's supervision and eventually surassing him. Belmod even knows all the details of Jiren's story, unless Jiren or Marcarita (using her staff)spilled everything to Belmod then the only other way he could know is by having played some role in Jiren's origins. However since Jiren has repeatedly rejected the offer to become Hakaishin and put an end to the plan, Belmod simply decided to withhold the truth from Jiren and move on to someone else(Toppo in this case).
Who else but a Hakaishin could push an ordinary individual to such immense power from practically nothing?

That is a great theory but I don't think they are going to use or make it Belmod at all.

[thezander]

I was thinking a god with one of those rings that can go threw time. I just don't know what his wish is. Do be the strongest in all the universes or to bring back all those killed by the jerk.

[ShadowBardock89]

Its Farmer with Shotgun. He's a universe jumper and was just too strong until Jiren got stronger, fled to U7, and met Raditz. And so, it all begins.

Raditz stronger than Jiren confirmed

I mean, here's video proof:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2Cfczo4w-g

[Vegeta_Sama]

Its Farmer with Shotgun. He's a universe jumper and was just too strong until Jiren got stronger, fled to U7, and met Raditz. And so, it all begins.

Raditz stronger than Jiren confirmed

I mean, here's video proof:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2Cfczo4w-g

This is canon now, I don't care

[Dbzfan94]

Raditz stronger than Jiren confirmed

I mean, here's video proof:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2Cfczo4w-g

This is canon now, I don't care

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myOz9NEvs-M

Does this mean Farmer with Shotgun is stronger than Jiren?

[Vegeta_Sama]

I mean, here's video proof:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2Cfczo4w-g

This is canon now, I don't care

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myOz9NEvs-M

Does this mean Farmer with Shotgun is stronger than Jiren?

Man the timeline of this is so messed up. So,either the farmer has developed time travel powers, or someone reaurrected Raditz to fight Cell because they realize that he was too powerful.

[Dbzfan94]

This is canon now, I don't care

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myOz9NEvs-M

Does this mean Farmer with Shotgun is stronger than Jiren?

Man the timeline of this is so messed up. So,either the farmer has developed time travel powers, or someone reaurrected Raditz to fight Cell because they realize that he was too powerful.

Yeah, all Raditz had to do was do 3 push ups and he became stronger than Cell

[Vegeta_Sama]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myOz9NEvs-M

Does this mean Farmer with Shotgun is stronger than Jiren?

Man the timeline of this is so messed up. So,either the farmer has developed time travel powers, or someone reaurrected Raditz to fight Cell because they realize that he was too powerful.

Yeah, all Raditz had to do was do 3 push ups and he became stronger than Cell

https://youtu.be/u1pWAgVr-iw
Looks like our boy farmer has done his fair share of push ups as well.