Would Freeza becoming a good guy be considered good writing or bad?

[Michsi]

If done well, yeah, I'd accept it. For now, seeing him present in Goku's mind along side Krillin, Roshi, Piccolo, Vegeta, his son just rubs me the wrong way.

[coola]

I feel like it would be like The Joker becoming ally to Batman or join Justice League, he is too iconic villain to become good guy If he stick around as Goku rival, he would probably have to fight for that title with Vegeta all the time Then again, in episode 131, he might go back to hell and/or have characters memories about Beerus and others wiped out (With i pray to Dende won't happen, that would make Super completely pointless)

[obiwan23s]

Since the spoilers for 131 came out that said Freeza would appear after Goku went down, I've had this weird feeling he's going to get the wish and use it to have Planet Vegeta wished back. This would be all in the name of playing the "long game", because this sets up two future arcs: one where the Dragon Team goes on a Super Dragon Ball hunt to wish back the erased universes, and one where the Dragon Team disregards Freeza as a threat because of his performance in the TOP and wishing back the Saiyan planet, when Freeza just learns from his mistake in the RoF story and spends a long time perfecting a new form or just maybe achieving MUI himself, then coming back for revenge on Goku and Vegeta, with new characters needed to fight him (maybe Jiren coming back or something). At this point I'm just writing a fanfic, but I could see that being Freeza's wish.

The minute they put Freeza on the TOP team, I've been concerned he'll become a good guy. I don't think it's the right move for his character, but I think they wouldn't have had Freeza appear as one of the people on Roshi's sunglasses while he and Krillin were explaining that everyone on the Universe 7 team (besides Gohan and Roshi) was an adversary to Goku at some point in time, if Freeza wasn't getting some kind of redemption in this arc. After all, if they win, Goku promised to revive him and Goku isn't really a liar. Except when he lied about the universe getting erased to recruit his friends to the team and hid Super Saiyan 3 from Majin Vegeta...ok maybe Goku's not perfect but he did make a promise.

[dragon boss z]

Maybe he could be like how Vegeta was during the Android saga, so basically an a hole who says he will kill anyone who gets in his way but doesn't directly attack the Z fighters, but not any better than that. If they do it right it could be considered good writing, but they need to keep Frieza's personality. Frieza just won't randomly kill people anymore, but he should away stay selfish and sadistic.

[Dbzfan94]

Idk if it would bad writing, but I would hate the idea forever.

[Hugo Boss]

I think he should be directed to the point that Vegeta reached in Namek Arc. Though, I don’t see he getting along with them at Earth. Whenever they need to work together, it would be a nice addition.

[Dbzfan94]

Since the spoilers for 131 came out that said Freeza would appear after Goku went down, I've had this weird feeling he's going to get the wish and use it to have Planet Vegeta wished back. This would be all in the name of playing the "long game", because this sets up two future arcs: one where the Dragon Team goes on a Super Dragon Ball hunt to wish back the erased universes, and one where the Dragon Team disregards Freeza as a threat because of his performance in the TOP and wishing back the Saiyan planet, when Freeza just learns from his mistake in the RoF story and spends a long time perfecting a new form or just maybe achieving MUI himself, then coming back for revenge on Goku and Vegeta, with new characters needed to fight him (maybe Jiren coming back or something). At this point I'm just writing a fanfic, but I could see that being Freeza's wish.

The minute they put Freeza on the TOP team, I've been concerned he'll become a good guy. I don't think it's the right move for his character, but I think they wouldn't have had Freeza appear as one of the people on Roshi's sunglasses while he and Krillin were explaining that everyone on the Universe 7 team (besides Gohan and Roshi) was an adversary to Goku at some point in time, if Freeza wasn't getting some kind of redemption in this arc. After all, if they win, Goku promised to revive him and Goku isn't really a liar. Except when he lied about the universe getting erased to recruit his friends to the team and hid Super Saiyan 3 from Majin Vegeta...ok maybe Goku's not perfect but he did make a promise.

What makes you think he'll revive Planet Vegeta of all things?

[precita]

People who want Freeza to be good blows my mind. Terrible writing and Dragonball would be ruined.

[Lionel]

People who want Freeza to be good blows my mind. Terrible writing and Dragonball would be ruined.

What would you say to him becoming an occasional co-belligerent of Goku and the group? He wouldn't be a benevolent character, his interests would just happen to align with theirs through common enemies and all that.

[Master Xar]

People who want Freeza to be good blows my mind. Terrible writing and Dragonball would be ruined.

And what would the point be of him becoming an enemy [again] ultimately showdowning with Goku [again] and going back to happy hell [again] if anything it would be bad writing to do that again, characters develop and change in SOME way otherwise it’s pointless to involve them unless you’re using them as a plot tool in which case bad writing him coming back and giving the same schpeel isn’t going to ruin the franchise nor jump any sharks if they pull it off right.

I keep seeing the comparison that Freeza is the Joker and that he should never change no matter what, I think that’s blind and limiting, Comics namely in the early days promoted repetition and keeping status quo, that’s not how character writing in an ongoing story should go. And yes, if they written it correctly with the right storyline even Joker can change if he hadn’t crossed a line like in the Killing Joke comic.

No one is saying to make him a goody-goody that saves children and eats his vegetables, people are saying he could join the team as a neutral force for independent goals, test out how it goes for an arc, then go from there, if not and the people don’t like him on the team, kill him off.

But give him SOME point in reviving this time other than helping the team and his stale revenge bit for ONE arc.

[Chrono Trigger]

I honestly can't figure out what they intend to do with Freeza. Assuming Toriyama didn't bring him back again just to have him fight Goku/Vegeta again just to get killed...again (which would be the worst thing they could do at this point in my opinion) Toriyama must have some interesting plans for Freeza...but I don't think Freeza is going to be a "good guy". I don't think he will be hanging out at Capsule Corp, getting involved in a Karaoke competition with Vegeta in some random filler episode, or even living on Earth. I think he still hates Goku but at this point he's probably built up some level of respect for him. Is that ok? That a character gets a little development? People can change. *shrugs*

[precita]

All I can say is thank god Freeza didn't stay on Earth. I was worried towards the end there that he would stay at Capsule corp. and become the next Vegeta or Piccolo.

The fact that he said, "I don't intend to stop my evil ways" and went back into space and found his empire makes me glad. "Good Guy Freeza" would definitely be shark jumping material.

[majinwarman]

All I can say is thank god Freeza didn't stay on Earth. I was worried towards the end there that he would stay at Capsule corp. and become the next Vegeta or Piccolo.

The fact that he said, "I don't intend to stop my evil ways" and went back into space and found his empire makes me glad. "Good Guy Freeza" would definitely be shark jumping material.

I never once thought that Freeza would ever turn good. It was never in his nature to be a person who can be changed. Though I was surprised that Freeza got resurrected.

[DragonBallFoodie]

Any other manga, I think it'd be okay.

But for DB, which has its villains be unashamed bastards and utter monsters, with Frieza being one of their worst as well as the dude who enslaved the Saiyan race, I think it'd be bad writing.

[FoolsGil]

Vegeta was Freeza on a smaller scale, and humanoid. If Dragonball is still considered a good story with Vegeta becoming a good guy, and bad with Freeza becoming a good guy, I'd have to wonder if there's some speciest issues going on. What, does Freeza have to be humanoid and shack up with Launch to get the same love and admiration Vegeta does?

[Vegeta_Sama]

Vegeta was Freeza on a smaller scale, and humanoid. If Dragonball is still considered a good story with Vegeta becoming a good guy, and bad with Freeza becoming a good guy, I'd have to wonder if there's some speciest issues going on. What, does Freeza have to be humanoid and shack up with Launch to get the same love and admiration Vegeta does?

Freeza's on a completely different level than Vegeta. As you said, Vegeta was Frieza on a smaller scale, so him reediming himself is belivable, but there's just no way that a space tyrant who enjoys tourture and genocide can be redeemed

[Nickolaidas]

Vegeta was Freeza on a smaller scale, and humanoid. If Dragonball is still considered a good story with Vegeta becoming a good guy, and bad with Freeza becoming a good guy, I'd have to wonder if there's some speciest issues going on. What, does Freeza have to be humanoid and shack up with Launch to get the same love and admiration Vegeta does?

Freeza's on a completely different level than Vegeta. As you said, Vegeta was Frieza on a smaller scale, so him reediming himself is belivable, but there's just no way that a space tyrant who enjoys tourture and genocide can be redeemed

Vegeta also committed genocide. Heck, first time we laid eyes on him, we saw him eating the (bug) people he killed.

[FoolsGil]

Vegeta was Freeza on a smaller scale, and humanoid. If Dragonball is still considered a good story with Vegeta becoming a good guy, and bad with Freeza becoming a good guy, I'd have to wonder if there's some speciest issues going on. What, does Freeza have to be humanoid and shack up with Launch to get the same love and admiration Vegeta does?

Freeza's on a completely different level than Vegeta. As you said, Vegeta was Frieza on a smaller scale, so him reediming himself is belivable, but there's just no way that a space tyrant who enjoys tourture and genocide can be redeemed

Vegeta also enjoyed torture and genocide.

[Cetra]

I would hate it as much as the scene in GT when Cell absorbs Goku. But it would not necessarily equate to bad writing.

[Vegeta_Sama]

Vegeta was Freeza on a smaller scale, and humanoid. If Dragonball is still considered a good story with Vegeta becoming a good guy, and bad with Freeza becoming a good guy, I'd have to wonder if there's some speciest issues going on. What, does Freeza have to be humanoid and shack up with Launch to get the same love and admiration Vegeta does?

Freeza's on a completely different level than Vegeta. As you said, Vegeta was Frieza on a smaller scale, so him reediming himself is belivable, but there's just no way that a space tyrant who enjoys tourture and genocide can be redeemed

Vegeta also enjoyed torture and genocide.

But he wasn't space Hitler