Would Freeza becoming a good guy be considered good writing or bad?

[GodVegetto91]

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What is your opinion? I know people have strong opinions regarding this subject, and each side of the debate has their points. There is no “objectively true” or “objectively false” but i’d still like to have a lot of fun debating this.

So Freeza has been getting a lot of “heroic moments” in Super lately, even the act of joining our team and fighting for and defending universe 7 is a huge deal. He’s saved Goku several times already and now this episode did it again.

So do you think they’re setting Freeza up for a change of heart? Tell me what you think.

[ToshioWrites]

For that to happen , Toriyama would have had to put it in his outline so I can’t blame the writers .

Now I think it would be a shit decision to go that route

[emperior]

Freeza becoming good can't be considered either good or bad writing, that would be subjective. The execution about how Freeza would go good would measure whether it was well written or not.

[RedHeat]

Depends on how it's handled. A lot of people wouldn't like it regardless, though. Me included. The dude is supposed to be evil incarnate and having just being sort of 'anti-hero' seems really disingenuous and a bit awkward.

[Deathbeam]

They want the audience to think that.

But, no.

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I've seen (couldn't read because it is not yet translated) chapter 34 of the manga. Frieza has clearly been represented as a villain. He has condamned universe 9 to erasure while piccolo was hesitating before delivering the final blow. He betrayed Frost after having him eliminating almost all universe 9,crilin and tien. Especially letting Frost eliminate 2 of his teammates ke clearly a villainous act. Also the anime shows his bad attitude: he double crossed Frost, he tried to trick Dyspo, he explicitly plotted against the gods, ne repeatedly said that he "needs" Goku to work for him. He probably didn't save him repeatedly for team-play love. To sum it up: Frieza will meet the villain's fate. I still hope that he will become a sort of anti-hero like the first vegeta. It is unlikely though: Frieza has done terrible things in the past, has given many hints of evil nature in the Top and seems to be beyond any kind of redemption. Still I hope that Goku's redeeming power will affect also Frieza and make him give up his evil plans.

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[Zephyr]

Him becoming a straight-up good guy would be dumb at this point. But I think having him come back to life, and maintaining a "Cell arc Vegeta"-ish level of civility with and tolerance toward Goku and the rest of them would be a cool step to see him move in. Seeing him change and develop as a person would make Super's repeatedly bringing him back a lot more worthwhile.

The dude is supposed to be evil incarnate

No, that's Piccolo.

[Lionel]

Agree with Zephyr. I think the most we should hope to expect from Freeza is a self-motivated co-belligerent status whose prey just so happens to be the same as the person Goku is interested in. Freeza is too amoral and sociopathic to be anything but a conniving monster. If this tournament did anything it's made him realise that Goku can prove to be a worthwhile asset if he adjusts the motions and cogs of his personal war machine to accommodate for this new addition. Maybe Freeza will decide to play the "long game" and maintain whatever unstable but not outright hostile relations he has with the Z-fighters. It could serve to benefit him if he had Goku continue growing in strength so that potential menaces on Freeza's road to power are taken out.

[fadeddreams5]

Good? No. Bad? Nah. Would I like it? Hell ****ing no.

[precita]

It would be the biggest jump the shark moment in Dragonball history, the last straw that breaks the camels back, and the Dragonball franchise would be "ruined forever" if it happened.

You don't take the most evil character in the series who killed Goku's friends and make him good. The franchise would be a laughing stock, and modern Dragonball would be viewed as a parody or published fanfiction. Toriyama would be viewed as the "George Lucas" of Dragonball and the fanbase would be split asunder.

[Doctor.]

It would be the biggest jump the shark moment in Dragonball history, the last straw that breaks the camels back, and the Dragonball franchise would be "ruined forever" if it happened.

You don't take the most evil character in the series who killed Goku's friends and make him good. The franchise would be a laughing stock, and modern Dragonball would be viewed as a parody or published fanfiction. Toriyama would be viewed as the "George Lucas" of Dragonball and the fanbase would be split asunder.

Didn't you also claim this when Gohan lost to Dyspo?

[prince212]

Title^.

What is your opinion? I know people have strong opinions regarding this subject, and each side of the debate has their points. There is no “objectively true” or “objectively false” but i’d still like to have a lot of fun debating this.

So Freeza has been getting a lot of “heroic moments” in Super lately, even the act of joining our team and fighting for and defending universe 7 is a huge deal. He’s saved Goku several times already and now this episode did it again.

So do you think they’re setting Freeza up for a change of heart? Tell me what you think.

Freeza will never change deep inside , he may pretend ... but don’t trust anyone
I don’t think there’s such a set up , in fact looks like the movie will prove that point , we’ll see

[The_Destroyer]

Why couldn’t Frost be good Frieza? No need to ruin the original by making him good.


But I’d rather him stay evil and be a reoccurring villain instead of a good guy.

[TheLegend23]

Like many others have said It all would depend on how that plot would be executed. It doesn’t seem like that’s the direction they’re heading in with frieza, he’s simply doing what he has to do to be resurrected once again but one false move on his end Goku will take him out once again.

[DragonHermit]

Ehhhh. Considering he murdered both Goku's and Vegeta's fathers it's a bit much imo.

[Master Xar]

If they execute it REEEEAAAAAAALLLLLLYYY well I could accept him being the asshole that sticks around as the friend nobody likes (like Cell Saga Vegeta to an upped extent) and that somebody outside the Z-Fighters suggests he is revived and stays around to keep them on their toes (like Whis or someone)

I could see Freeza being a good con artist or dirty businessman.

[sintzu]

I don't think it'd be a good idea but that doesn't mean they can't make it work somehow.

[Nickolaidas]

Depends on the execution. The problem is that if Frieza genuinely had a change of heart and considered becoming good, he should know that he has committed too many atrocities to think himself as a good person. Like Joker in the Killing Joke, Joker genuinely considers Batman's offer for a truce, but he honestly tells the hero that he's too far gone to even pretend that he can be a good person.

But that doesn't mean that Frieza can't be a cell-arc Vegeta (occasionally) or a Baron Zemo in the Grandmaster arc of the Thunderbolts (where he became omnipotent and manipulated others in order to achieve a noble goal).

[SsjCookie]

I'd say bad writing at first, but if it's done right it could actually become good.
But as of now Frieza is inherently evil so...no, he'll never ever be a goody two shoes.

Him helping Goku at the moment only serves his own selfish needs.

[Lord Beerus]

It all really comes down to how they handle the aspect of Freeza becoming a "good guy". I feel in an anti-villain like kind of role, and with the proper writing, Freeza could thrive as a character and breath some new fresh air into his personality.

[BlueBasilisk]

I don't think it's in Frieza's character to turn face and become 'good.' He doesn't feel an ounce of remorse for any of the things he's done, and he revels in being a douchebag with total self-awareness. I don't think he is capable of changing like that because he doesn't care.

If he stuck around as some kind of token evil teammate or stopped antagonizing Goku and co, I think they could get away with letting him hang around. Make him Goku's Team Rocket.