Anyone else sick of the DBZ story in games?

gohanku · Post by **gohanku** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:20 am

Do not forget "Make a better sandcastle then Goku! Challenge Nappa to a race! Laugh at the people at the beach and if they attack ki blast them!"

Pedro The Hutt · Post by **Pedro The Hutt** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:43 pm

And don't forget the mayonaise! Otherwise it'll be Vegeta's cooking hell (beach barbeque hell?) all over again!

Grandmaster J · Post by **Grandmaster J** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:54 pm

Ugh....yeah. Of course the DBZ storyline is boring in a game. We already know it by heart! That's why we need a strickly fighting DBZ game, like Street Fighter or King of Fighters. I'm telling ya'll, it would be fantastic!

Pedro The Hutt · Post by **Pedro The Hutt** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:12 pm

What, you mean going through a series of fights without any cutscenes and after defeating the final one being treated to a character specific ending? We had those in the 90s. o:

Anonymous Friend · Post by **Anonymous Friend** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:13 am

The only problem is that unless the stories are written by Akira Toriyama, everyone's gonna hate. The same way people hate filler and GT. Then even if they come up with something decent, people'll still be looking for everysingle character from the series.

It would end up being a lose-lose situation where either people are bored with the regular story and not liking anything new that they try to do.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:18 am

There should be a DBZ game that is strictly like WoW (World of Warcraft). You have one character that you level up and you wander the actual DragonWorld to receive training from people like Roshi and Karin. There should also be online for world tournaments and things like that. The greatest feature imo would be events of the story happening while you're playing the game. So you could help out the heroes of the game who are obviously non-playable. I should write a letter to Blizzard or something, this game sounds too good.

-rick

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:25 pm

I have to admit; after playing through every Budokai and every Sparking game, I'm getting pretty burned out on the regular story mode. It seems like I play each game just to play the same fights over and over again. I also find myself looking forward to any scrap of new content (what-if characters, alternate story modes, etc.) just so I have something *new*.

I see two ways to remedy this; either create an all new story set somewhere within the series (like they did with Gaiden) with an all new villians, or use the existing characters to create "what if" scenarios like they touched on with Budokai 3 and Sparking, and more of it.

Or maybe what I'm looking for is an all new genre of DragonBall games. The fighting genre works well for it, but I would love to try something different, like a Legacy of Goku type RPG that doesn't appear on a hand held console. Or they could really go out on a limb and try something different...

fps_anth · Post by **fps_anth** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:30 pm

Deus ex Machina wrote:I have to admit; after playing through every Budokai and every Sparking game, I'm getting pretty burned out on the regular story mode. It seems like I play each game just to play the same fights over and over again. I also find myself looking forward to any scrap of new content (what-if characters, alternate story modes, etc.) just so I have something *new*.

I see two ways to remedy this; either create an all new story set somewhere within the series (like they did with Gaiden) with an all new villians, or use the existing characters to create "what if" scenarios like they touched on with Budokai 3 and Sparking, and more of it.

Or maybe what I'm looking for is an all new genre of DragonBall games. The fighting genre works well for it, but I would love to try something different, like a Legacy of Goku type RPG that doesn't appear on a hand held console. Or they could really go out on a limb and try something different...

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QFT. I'd probably get a 360 just for that.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:02 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:There should be a DBZ game that is strictly like WoW (World of Warcraft). You have one character that you level up and you wander the actual DragonWorld to receive training from people like Roshi and Karin.

"I trained under Master Roshi and learned the Kamehameha!"
"Well, so did I!"
"And so did I!"
"And so did I!"
"And so did I!"
"And so did I!"
"And so did I!"
"And so did I!"
.....

gohanku · Post by **gohanku** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:56 am

Deus ex Machina wrote:I have to admit; after playing through every Budokai and every Sparking game, I'm getting pretty burned out on the regular story mode. It seems like I play each game just to play the same fights over and over again. I also find myself looking forward to any scrap of new content (what-if characters, alternate story modes, etc.) just so I have something *new*.

I see two ways to remedy this; either create an all new story set somewhere within the series (like they did with Gaiden) with an all new villians, or use the existing characters to create "what if" scenarios like they touched on with Budokai 3 and Sparking, and more of it.

Or maybe what I'm looking for is an all new genre of DragonBall games. The fighting genre works well for it, but I would love to try something different, like a Legacy of Goku type RPG that doesn't appear on a hand held console. Or they could really go out on a limb and try something different...

Wow, that is really, wow....

Anyway it sound nice to have a DBZ game like WoW, you should be able to choose to ally your to good or evil and if you (as you you) use the dragonballs too much, you can fight the evil dragons!

Sebastian (SB) · Post by **Sebastian (SB)** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:59 am

I'd just like to see a DBZ game with a completely new storyline & Budokai-ish cutscenes.

Pedro The Hutt · Post by **Pedro The Hutt** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:09 pm

But the thing is, if you have a whole new storyline it is no longer a DBZ game. =D

As to DBZ volleyball, no, just no. XD I'd rather not see that happen.

And a Dragonball MMO... nah, Rocketman pointed out the main issue. You'd need to introduce a whole new slew of masters to learn alternative moves from so that not everyone learns the Kamehameha... oh who am I kidding, every player will go and seek out Kame-Sennin the moment they learn Bukujutsu... or like Kuririn they'll take a boat there.

SuperFusion · Post by **SuperFusion** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:21 pm

How can it not be a DBZ game with new storylines? Didn't those Playdia things have like.. storylines made just for the game?

Pedro The Hutt · Post by **Pedro The Hutt** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:06 pm

You mean those things had a storyline to speak of? o: (And even then, judging from the footage I've seen, even those recycled villains)

Gouki* · Post by Gouki* » Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:02 pm

Pedro The Hutt wrote:I still think that seriously deviating from the story would upset plenty of fans however.

Unless you really want to influence everything imaginable. "Oh look, during the fight with Radditz we broke his scouter, now Vegeta and Nappa won't be coming over, I guess we finished the game early, yay!"

Those sorts of things would happen in the Gokuden games, and I'd very much like to see those little side-stories fleshed out more for people who enjoy the story, but want something new.

Like, for example, Piccolo kills Goku with the Mankasoppo because Radditz moved out of the way, because you did something wrong. Instead of game over, Gohan kills Piccolo and Radditz takes Gohan with him, where we see him rise in the ranks and eventually right Furiza for revenge or something. You could fight different opponents, destory the earth that sort of thing. It gives a change, and some of them could be entertaining. It'd be a breath of fresh air to a, sadly, tale story. I really enjoy the Dragon Ball story, but I'm just sort of bored with it in the games.

It's the same reason I want some New Jedi Order video games. I'm sick of Tie Fighters and the Empire. I want to shoot Yuuzhan Vong, and Vokyn and such.

djkalteraphine · Post by **djkalteraphine** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:40 am

Pedro The Hutt wrote:Your complaint is not as much about the story as it is about the gameplay however. =D

I personally have no issues with going through the DBZ story over and over again. For a change I wouldn't mind the DB story though. XD

But either way, each and every game does it mildly differently. For example Budokai 2 had a very light hearted retelling of the Dragonball Z story, throwing in jabs and jokes left and right. (The Saibaiman sentai group was a stroke of brilliance)

GO MY SAIBAIRANGERS!

Yes, yes it was. I agree with your statement. I'm a bit tired of starting with the arrival of Raditz. Not because I'm tired of that story, god no. . I'm just tired of missing all that great stuff before it. Advance Adventure was great for this, but sadly it looks like it didn't start a trend with the developers. I'd like to see a game go from the beginning of Dragon Ball to the end of GT, with the movie villains worked into the canon as best as possible. Have I imagined it in my head whilst playing video games or pacing my kitchen? If you answered yes, then you get a cookie. If my brain is smart enough to conceive it, then why can't they do it?

Taku128 · Post by **Taku128** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:05 pm

Yeah, most of the movies it wouldn't even take that much effort to fit into canon. Most of the collecting of the Dragon Balls would have to be taken out though. DB Movie 2 would replace them finding Lunch being chased by the cops. DBZ Movie 1 would be before Dragon Ball Z episode 1 and remove Kuririn, Bulma, Kame Senin, and the Nyoibo from the story (If they are in it, I've only seen DBZ 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, and 12, though I know that Kuririn and Nyoibo are in DBZ1), DBZ movies 2 and 3 could fit in between the Saiyajin and Nakek arcs if you remove Yamucha, Tenshinhan, Piccolo, Kami, and Chaozu and make Goku take the senzu sooner so he'd be healed for the movie arcs. He could stay on Earth because he wanted to get stronger and finds out from Kaio about Freeza and Vegeta being on Namek and goes after them, and have them find out about the Namek Dragon Balls later, from either Kaio or Mr. Popo. DBZ 4 would take place between the Saiyajin and Namek/Freeza arcs with Piccolo, Yamucha, Tenshinhan, and Chaozu removed from the story. DBZ 5 would take place during the three years waiting for the Jinzoningen, with Dende as would 6 if you take Dende out of the plot, and 7 if you remove #17 and 18 killing Gero and make the movie take place sooner, change Trunks' hair cut to the short one and give him his normal jacket, and make Vegeta not able to go Super Saiyajin. DBZ 8 would take place during the three years closest to the Jinzoningen attack, but with Trunks with his normal jacket and hair, and remove Super Saiyajin Vegeta and Gohan. DBZ movie 9 would take place between the Jinzoningen/Cell and Saiyaman/Buu arcs. DBZ 10 would take place during the hunt for the dragon balls that Goten and Trunks go on in the main story, but have Goku help Goten and Gohan the way he helped Gohan against Perfect Cell instead of Goten using the Dragon Balls. DBZ 11 would take place between the Buu arc and the last Tenkaichi Budokai, making it take place after DBZ 12. DBZ 12 would take place after Goku's time on Earth had run up, but with the Earth subplot removed because everyone was hiding from Buu. And of course, DBZ 13 would take place between the Buu arc and the last Tenkaichi Budokai. GT would have all of the anime plotholes removed, but the ones that contradict the manga but not the DB or DBZ anime would be kept.

Notify me of any plot holes that would exist and I'll try to fix them.

djkalteraphine · Post by **djkalteraphine** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:29 pm

Taku128 wrote:Yeah, most of the movies it wouldn't even take that much effort to fit into canon. Most of the collecting of the Dragon Balls would have to be taken out though. DB Movie 2 would replace them finding Lunch being chased by the cops. DBZ Movie 1 would be before Dragon Ball Z episode 1 and remove Kuririn, Bulma, Kame Senin, and the Nyoibo from the story (If they are in it, I've only seen DBZ 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, and 12, though I know that Kuririn and Nyoibo are in DBZ1), DBZ movies 2 and 3 could fit in between the Saiyajin and Nakek arcs if you remove Yamucha, Tenshinhan, Piccolo, Kami, and Chaozu and make Goku take the senzu sooner so he'd be healed for the movie arcs. He could stay on Earth because he wanted to get stronger and finds out from Kaio about Freeza and Vegeta being on Namek and goes after them, and have them find out about the Namek Dragon Balls later, from either Kaio or Mr. Popo. DBZ 4 would take place between the Saiyajin and Namek/Freeza arcs with Piccolo, Yamucha, Tenshinhan, and Chaozu removed from the story. DBZ 5 would take place during the three years waiting for the Jinzoningen, with Dende as would 6 if you take Dende out of the plot, and 7 if you remove #17 and 18 killing Gero and make the movie take place sooner, change Trunks' hair cut to the short one and give him his normal jacket, and make Vegeta not able to go Super Saiyajin. DBZ 8 would take place during the three years closest to the Jinzoningen attack, but with Trunks with his normal jacket and hair, and remove Super Saiyajin Vegeta and Gohan. DBZ movie 9 would take place between the Jinzoningen/Cell and Saiyaman/Buu arcs. DBZ 10 would take place during the hunt for the dragon balls that Goten and Trunks go on in the main story, but have Goku help Goten and Gohan the way he helped Gohan against Perfect Cell instead of Goten using the Dragon Balls. DBZ 11 would take place between the Buu arc and the last Tenkaichi Budokai, making it take place after DBZ 12. DBZ 12 would take place after Goku's time on Earth had run up, but with the Earth subplot removed because everyone was hiding from Buu. And of course, DBZ 13 would take place between the Buu arc and the last Tenkaichi Budokai. GT would have all of the anime plotholes removed, but the ones that contradict the manga but not the DB or DBZ anime would be kept.

Notify me of any plot holes that would exist and I'll try to fix them.

Pretty much all I came up with, only I'd move DBZ movie 2 during the period after the 23rd Budokai. After Goku and Chi-chi are married, but don't have Gohan just yet. . Say, two months later. So you could still have Kame Sennin, Krillin and Piccolo in it. And since movie 4 isn't that great in the story department anyway, I'd have Son-kun fight Slug during his adventures in space, after the Freeza arc. Even have that fight be when he fully learns to control Super Saiya-jin (see where I'm going with this?) And finally, movie 8. It could take place during the ten day wait for the Cell Games. Just have Goku and Gohan SSJ the entire time.

Taku128 · Post by **Taku128** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:38 pm

djkalteraphine wrote:Pretty much all I came up with, only I'd move DBZ movie 2 during the period after the 23rd Budokai. After Goku and Chi-chi are married, but don't have Gohan just yet. . Say, two months later. So you could still have Kame Sennin, Krillin and Piccolo in it. And since movie 4 isn't that great in the story department anyway, I'd have Son-kun fight Slug during his adventures in space, after the Freeza arc. Even have that fight be when he fully learns to control Super Saiya-jin (see where I'm going with this?) And finally, movie 8. It could take place during the ten day wait for the Cell Games. Just have Goku and Gohan SSJ the entire time.

If Gohan isn't esential to the plot for movie 2, then that would probably work better, but if he is it would be better to get rid of the not as important characters. Movie 4 I'm not so sure about that because it would hugely change the plot. And Movie 9 taking place during the ten day Cell games wait wouldn't make sense, as Goku has to go do the school interview thing, and Gohan wears his pre Room of Spirit and Time clothes.

djkalteraphine · Post by **djkalteraphine** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:03 pm

Taku128 wrote:
djkalteraphine wrote:Pretty much all I came up with, only I'd move DBZ movie 2 during the period after the 23rd Budokai. After Goku and Chi-chi are married, but don't have Gohan just yet. . Say, two months later. So you could still have Kame Sennin, Krillin and Piccolo in it. And since movie 4 isn't that great in the story department anyway, I'd have Son-kun fight Slug during his adventures in space, after the Freeza arc. Even have that fight be when he fully learns to control Super Saiya-jin (see where I'm going with this?) And finally, movie 8. It could take place during the ten day wait for the Cell Games. Just have Goku and Gohan SSJ the entire time.
If Gohan isn't esential to the plot for movie 2, then that would probably work better, but if he is it would be better to get rid of the not as important characters. Movie 4 I'm not so sure about that because it would hugely change the plot. And Movie 9 taking place during the ten day Cell games wait wouldn't make sense, as Goku has to go do the school interview thing, and Gohan wears his pre Room of Spirit and Time clothes.

Movie 4's "plot" centers around Slug trying to take over a planet (in this case, Earth) and using the Dragon Balls to restore is youth. No matter where you place this, it can't happen. That's why I'd opt to just cut the whole Dragon Ball plot point, and instead have him tap into some sort of "Fountain of Youth" on another planet. Because Slug fears his mortality. Now, Son-kun is flying through space, training, when he'd happen upon Slug terrorizing this planet in search of his youth. Goku and Slug duke it out. Goku transforms into SSJ for the first time of his free will (something he can't do while fighting Freeza, and something he can when he meets Trunks), and punishes Slug.

As for movie 8, the Broli flick, it works perfect in those ten days. Chi-chi is already mad at Goku for taking Gohan away from his studies for so long, so during that time of rest, SURELY she would use that as an opportunity to get Gohan more education. Sorta like, "Okay, he can fight Cell, but right after, he's going to private school." See what I'm gettin' at? Paragas shows up, Vegeta's bored anyway, "Alright, I'll go to this planet. . Meh." And as for Gohan's outfit? Change it. It really wouldn't hurt the story that much. Plus, he's already at the post-time chamber age during the Broli flick. With that neato haircut Son-kun gave him.

Gohan isn't *that* important to movie 2, except for the Dragon Ball part of the plot. But that part could be changed without effecting the core of the story. Whello wants strongest body, thinks it is Roshi. Kidnaps Roshi, Goku and Krillin come to the rescue. Finds out Goku is stronger, takes over Piccolo's mind, and Goku fights Piccolo. Piccolo is freed, pissed, and helps Goku, Roshi, and Krillin kill Whello.