The Dragonball Questionnaire

Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) such as: techniques, character relationships, internal back-history, its universe, and more.
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Post by Mr.Piccolo » Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:47 pm

Li'l Lemmy wrote:
chibi_goten wrote:Gogeta101/ How did you come to the conclusion Goten is adopted?
Wow. That's about the strangest thing I've ever heard, especially when you consider Goten's remarkable resemblance to Goku. I do very much want to know his answer.
I guess it was a joke, I hope... Either way, let's keep this thread going in one direction please. :) I only ask nicely one time. :twisted:
Also Gogeta101, you offended the wrong people today. Avatars are there for something! :o

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Post by chibi_goten » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:00 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:
I guess it was a joke, I hope...
Nope he’s serious.
Li'l Lemmy wrote: Wow. That's about the strangest thing I've ever heard, especially when you consider Goten's remarkable resemblance to Goku. I do very much want to know his answer.
We then have Gogeta101's responce.
Gogeta101 wrote:
I know Goten looks like Goku, but Goten being adopted is a possibility. And I am not saying anyone is wrong, it is just my opinion.
My opinion is that what you have just said is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

(EDIT: Gogeta101 removed that last post of his)


I'm sorry Mr.Piccolo, :( Back to the subject!
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Post by Mr.Piccolo » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:07 pm

Aww... that's not very nice c_Goten.. the stupidest thing you've probably heard was probably found here. Keep thread positive guys or we might have a little reenactment of Videl and Spopovich.. :twisted:

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Post by mAcChaos » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:19 pm

Cell has the blood of Goku in him. Doesn't that really make the Cell Saga the biggest family feud of all time? He was probably mad he got left out in the cold while Gohan got a warm bed.
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Post by Rocketman » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:40 pm

How could Goten be adopted if he's a Super Saiyan?

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Post by Kaboom » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:42 pm

He's Tullece's son, not Goku's!

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Post by Mr. Announcer » Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:08 pm

Maury: Gokuh, you are NOT the father!

Gokuh: =sigh of relief=

Maury: Gokuh is the twelfth man tested. Next up is Tullece.

Chichi: Las' time I was uh hundred percent shuh, but this time Imma hundred-ten percent shuh!!

Maury: Tullece, you ARE the father!

Chichi: OH!! I tol' you!! I BEEN tellin you!!

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Post by DaemonCorps » Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:11 pm

Question 1 : Absolutely not. After seeing the evil pollution dragons, GT can no longer redeem itself, in my opinion.

Question 2 : I think it would've been cool to have the Fat Boo end up beating the gray Boo, just so he can show that he's redeemed himself.

Question 3 : SSJ4 was just too much. I mean, it's already been shown in DBZ that Goku couldn't maintain his SSJ3 form while alive, so how could he all of a sudden go another level further? Also, if it could have been avoided, I think SSJ3 could have been taken out, too (though we'd end up with a pretty different Boo Saga :?).

Question 4 : I would've like some backstory on Freeza, Mutaito (Roshi's Master), and Karin would've been nice. Note: a backstory, not none of this random filler with them having a birthday or something. :roll:

Question 5 : Counting the specials, I would say the Bardock one, because I liked how Bardck's being "non-royalty" changed so many people's vision of him. Heck, even the other non-royals didn't side with him when he tried to warn everyone of Freeza.

Not counting the specials, (EDIT: Sorry, I changed it :P) I haven't gone through all the movies recently, so sorry for the change in answer. I really liked the second Cooler one, since the entire scene inside Mecha Cooler was just so badass. Also, I especially liked the animation in that movie (probably because there was so much detail to Goku and Vegeta being "battle damaged." And the comedy with Oolong was priceless :lol:.

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Post by Mystic Jack » Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:51 pm

Question 1 I'd be very dissapointed in Toriyama.

Question 2
I'd like for Veggeto to hav beaten him, he was doing so kickass and then.... well he did get absorbed on purpose but still.

Question 3 Without a doubt SSJ3. A lot of the battles seem more kickass when it's being used. :D

Question 4 I'd say Kibito, it'd be interesting to see more about him.

Question 5 It's between Wrath of the Dragon and Super Android 13. Both were kickass.
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Post by kinoko » Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:11 am

Mr.Piccolo wrote:Question 1 If it was revealed that Toriyama actually wrote the movies and GT, would your opinion change about them?
As others have said, my opinion of Toriyama might be ...changed, if he'd been the one who wrote GT. But, coming from someone who has never seen an episode of GT, is my opinion worth anything? The movies are a different story. I would be disappointed by Toriyama's re-hash of the same "Goku come. Save all." plotline in each DBZ movie - but that kind of redundancy wouldn't be un-heard of. ^^;;
Question 2 If you had a say in who would defeat Majin Buu (Fat, Super, Chibi, even the Thin one), who would it be and why?
I really don't know... I suppose what actually happened in the story is fine with me.
Question 3 What super saiyan form could you do without and why? (excluding the "ultra" forms, please)
Definitely 3. Or 4. XD;; Just because. The first transformation/appearance of both SSJ1 and 2 made me cry.
Question 4 What character do you think deserves more light shed on them? (i.e. include Karin, Kami, Kibito, etc.)
You probably expect my answer to be "Tenshinhan," but I mean it when I say, "everyone." It's vague and broad and a bad answer, maybe, but I'd have loved to see more character stuff from everyone - including the little stuff such as birthdays.

Uh, but the whole Tsurusenryu crew (Tsuru-sennin, Tao Pai Pai, Tenshinhan and Chaozu) gets a good chunk of my vote; because my God, I want more of them. XP
Question 5 What is the undisputed best movie in your opinion and why?
Hehn. ^___^ Dragon Ball movie 3. Hands down. [edit] I didn't see the why.. Because, well, it's refreshing and character-driven (both of my favorites being the characters who drive the main plot.) And the kick-arse Mifan outfits.


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Post by mAcChaos » Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:17 am

I never bothered watching GT, either. I don't know why everybody's including it in their list of events. : P
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Post by Maphisto86 » Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:15 am

Question 1 If it was revealed that Toriyama actually wrote the movies and GT, would your opinion change about them?

Yes...they would probably be better. I like most of the movies but GT...ugh. Only a few good things about GT. I'm sure Toryiama would have done better if he where at the helm.

Question 2 If you had a say in who would defeat Majin Buu (Fat, Super, Chibi, even the Thin one), who would it be and why?

I liked how it originally turned out but I would have liked it better if Gohan almost defeated Majin Buu during their second encounter only for Gohan to be absorbed before the final blow. I mean the entire Dragonball Z storyline was meant to show Gohan's awesome potential. A cool what-if? would be if Gohan and Goku fought Majin Buu (both fused and unfused and against both Super and Chibi Buu) instead of Vegeta.

Question 3 What super saiyan form could you do without and why? (excluding the "ultra" forms, please)

I would also have to say SSJ4 because it departed from the usual traits that Super Saiyan represents. While I'm a big fan of the Oozaru form I found this "hybrid" a bit strange. Perhaps if it continued with the golden hair and green eyes I would like it better. SSj4 was also reached differently then the other forms. It was also spoiled by the fact that Vegeta could reach that stage as well. Overall the buck stops for me at SSJ3.

Question 4 What character do you think deserves more light shed on them? (i.e. include Karin, Kami, Kibito, etc.)

Either Kami, Raditz or Yamcha.

Question 5 What is the undisputed best movie in your opinion and why?

DAMN! This is a hard question.... I love a lot of the movies but I liked the last one, Movie 13 the best. It was because the storyline could potentially fit into the normal continuity unlike most (if not all) the other movies. Also there was two villians in this film. Hildegarn however departed from the usual string of villians in that he could put Gojira to shame. This movie also included a dragonball search, a fight fest that involved the most powerful characters, the morale story found throughout Dragonball of helping others and was a fresh idea (sort of... ala Babidi and Buu but different). Yeah.... horrible answer.

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Post by Jodaku » Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:31 pm

1. Nope. It's not as if Toriyama written Dragon Ball didn't have its weak parts either (admittedly nothing as weak as GT IMO). The reverse is true as well, the Bardock Special is one of the best things to come out of DB and Toriyama didn't create that (well, I suppose it did come from the backstory he created and he re-did the character designs). Movie 13 is also something I consider to be one of the best things to come from the DB mythology, and again, it wasn't created by Toriyama.

2. Ultimate Gohan against Super Buu, the saga buliding up for that culmination of Gohan being the one to defeat Buu.

3. If I'm in the 'DB should've finished with the Freeza saga' anal-type mood then anything beyond SSJ Goku but otherwise SSJ3 I guess, since nobody really achieved anything with the form.

4. Raditz, thus in turn we may find out more about Goku's heritage.

5. Movie 13. Sure it was a 'what if' of sorts of what would've happened if Mirai Trunks had met Chibi Trunks (let's face it, Tapion was Mirai Trunks mark 2), and it had a slightly dissapointing ending, but thanks to mainly Tapion's theme it had a spirit about it that none of the other movies have (maybe with the exception of DB Movie 4, and I haven't seen DB Movie 3 yet which is supposed to be really good so I can't say if that had it or not) and up until the cliché "Goku 4 da win" ending, it was just a really great movie that told an enjoyable story that actually develops a genuine relationship between a 'main' cast character and a 'movie' character with a unique villian on top of all that.

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Post by Jerseymilk » Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:33 pm

1. My opinion wouldn't change because I already like what I like about DB and don't hold any aspect of it in some special hierachical system. I just like it and enjoy watching it, always will, and will always be a fan. Simple as that may be to some, it's perfect for me.

2. I was happy with Goku beating Buu in the end. He's Goku after all. Like Movie 13 says: "If Goku can't do it......"

If not Goku, than obviously Gohan should have that task. (and not a word out of you Rocketman!) :P

3. SSJ4 I'll go with I suppose, though I don't really speciafically *hate* any of the forms. Basically it's very different from the other ones so it's kind of out of place, and I agree with Deus that it doesn't really make a lot of sense in the big picture. Plus let's face it, Vegeta looks kind of silly in the form. Always reminds me of leftover "glam rock" singer. >>

4. Tenshinhan. 'Nuff said.

5. Movie 12. It's got the best of everything. Goku and Vegeta's rivalry, great comedic scenes and dramatic/touching moments. And just plain fun. Only problem is no Piccolo. A close second for me is Movie 9 since it revolves around Gohan, has an interesting premise, Piccolo is in it, and has a great climax in my opinion.
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Post by Rocketman » Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:44 pm

Jerseymilk wrote:If not Goku, than obviously Gohan should have that task. (and not a word out of you Rocketman!) :P
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Post by Jerseymilk » Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:46 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Jerseymilk wrote:If not Goku, than obviously Gohan should have that task. (and not a word out of you Rocketman!) :P
*goes on a long ranting tirade*
*has Buu absorb him and then watches as Buu starts to rant about Gohan* >> XP
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Post by Adamant » Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:09 am

1: If he had indeeed wrote them, they would've been better. If they had been completely similiar to what they are like now, I'd just be disappointed with Toriyama. He can do so much better than this.

2: Gohan. Or anyone but Goku, really.

3: SSJ3 seemed pretty pointless, and never made much of a difference. So that.

4: Everyone, really. DragonBall spends way too little time delving into the pasts of the characters not of the Son family.

5: Majinjo no Nemuri Hime. Brilliant comedy adventure, just the way early DB should be. It wasn't really until DBZ came around that Toei's original stories (filler and movies) started getting boring and annoying, the early DB stuff was ace.

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Post by Conan the SSJ » Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:08 am

Mr.Piccolo wrote:Question 1 If it was revealed that Toriyama actually wrote the movies and GT, would your opinion change about them?
If you're asking it like Toriyama writing the movies exactly as they came out from Toei, then no. My opinion wouldn't change, I'd still have a blast with the original DB movies, consider DBZ movies 1/5/9/13 canon in the anime, etc., etc.
Mr.Piccolo wrote:Question 2 If you had a say in who would defeat Majin Buu (Fat, Super, Chibi, even the Thin one), who would it be and why?
BEWARE, BIG IDEA/RANT!!

It'd definitely be Ultimate Gohan beating Super Buu. If it were me determining things, I'd still have Buu absorb Gotenks and Piccolo, but rather than Goku getting Elder Kaioshin's life-energy reservoir, I'd just keep Tien coming to Gohan's rescue. Because of that and Dende doing some healing, Gohan would hold out against Buu long enough for the interior fusion separation. Then Gohan and Super Buu (w/t Piccolo, Goten and Trunks) in a seemingly equally-matched fight.

It could end with Buu holding Dende hostage to attempt to get Gohan to give himself up for absorption, but Gohan plays a trick on Buu where similar to Vegetto, he shields himself just as Buu absorbs him and ends up unmerged inside Buu's head (rather than his stomach or whatever Vegetto ended up). Then Gohan would proceed to detach Piccolo and the boys (everyone waking up as Gohan removes them rather than staying in comas), causing Buu to go back to his normal Evil/Super self. With Gohan and everyone escaping, he prepares for one final battle with Buu. Charges up a Kamehame-Ha, promising Buu his death will be quick and painless if he lets Dende go.

Hercule, who's watching this whole thing from a bush, springs out in front of Gohan preparing his blast, screaming at Buu for what he's doing, saying "There's no point in any of this!!" With this striking a cord within Buu's suppressed memories, the fat Buu's personality slightly shows through as a tear courses from his eye and he utters "...Sa--tan...". His arms a bit weak from the realization that his former best friend is right in front of him, Dende manages to slip out and get out of the way. Gohan launches his attack at Buu who puts up a shield powerful enough to destroy the entire planet if it keeps growing.

With Buu struggling, Gohan reaches into his deepest latent powers. Buu, now completely devoid of his fat Buu personality from this struggle, mocks Gohan "Bwahahaha!! What will you do, from the power you were using in our last fight, it won't be enough to break this shield. It's more powerful than even my own self-destruction was!!" With this realization, we get a short cut to Kaioshin's world as Goku looks on, urging his son to break through (not talking to him through telepathy or anything). Gohan suddenly breaks out a sly grin, now proclaiming to Buu "Didn't you know, when you had beat me to near death, my power skyrocketed; when Dende healed me, it was if a whole new giga essence was within me. I am a 'Saiyan', afterall. Now prepare yourself Majin Buu, this ENDS NOW!!"

Suddenly Gohan's eyes proceed to turn Emerald Green as his utmost power is released (he doesn't go SSJ though) and the massive Kamehame-Ha turns from Blue to Golden to White, enveloping Buu and consuming every last trace of him. Shocked by this sight, Hercule falls to his knees sad this creature whom almost became good, his best friend, is now gone; though bucks up a bit remembering what he did to Videl and the entire planet mumbling "That bastard got what he deserved..." Now, Gohan appears as though he's gonna collapse, similar to when he defeated Cell and Bojack, but just falls to one knee and stands right back up. Gohan suddenly hears a telepathic message from his Father, simply telling him "See, son? You were nowhere near needing my help, and at last your true destiny has been fulfilled. Give your brother and Mom my best, I'll be waiting for you guys..."

4-6 Months later, we see Gohan and the boys summoning Shenlong, whom revives all those who've died since Babidi's arrival, except for the most evil ones. Unfortunately not all of them were revived, as quite a few had been revived by some of the previous wishes over the years. We then get a look at Kuririn in the Other World talking to Goku on Grand Kaio's planet. Goku asks "Are you sad you can't be there to raise Marron?" Kuririn replies "Kind of, but 18 will be good to her, as will be Master Roshi. Besides, Goten's turning out well without his Dad, and at least now I don't have to die anymore!" The two laugh and begin sparring, we're then brought to the lower regions of Hell where Vegeta sits Indian style mediating, apparently he has his body but couldn't be revived as Shenlong once brought him back, and he simply lets a "...Hmm..." as we're brought back to Earth a year or so later.

Gohan and Videl have just graduated high-school and are sitting together at a fountain in Satan City. They talk to each other about various things, the recent battle with Buu, how they'll be going to college, and at last confess how much they love each other. Gohan shows her a ring, to which Videl doesn't answer but just hugs him excitedly. They then hold hands and Gohan calls Kinto-'Un. Many citizens of the city seeing the couple ride off on the golden cloud, Gohan no longer cares about the exposure, as he has truly become his Father's son. Gohan and Videl ride Kinto-'Un over beautiful, near CGI looking forest/mountain terrains as the Narrator exclaims "And thus ends a legacy beginning with a small mountain boy living alone in desolation -- Culminating with his elder son beginning a true normal life" And a flashback, very similar to the end of GT, takes place. A first portion focusing on Goku's adventures while a second portion focuses on Gohan's.

The Narrator continues "In these times of peace, the shadow of evil may still loom. But even so, a once ruthless infant alien raised as a gentle Earthling has left a dynasty that will always be around to protect our humble planet. Two sons that have surpassed his own power (Goten with fusion), as well as a future Granddaughter down the road of fate, this new generation of Z warriors will lead planet Earth into a divine era of peace and prosperity."

Finally, with that said, Gohan and Videl land at 439 district where Chichi is drying cloths and Goten and Trunks are sparring. Chichi looks down at Videl's hand, the viewer doesn't actually see the ring there, but we do see Chichi look up at her son with happy tears in her eyes. She hugs her son and future daughter-in-law together, the camera pans up from the small Son house to the beautiful blue sky, and the Narrator finishes "Farewell, Son Gohan, your story, as well as your Father's, will live in our hearts forever."

"The End"

I'm insanely sorry for that big rant, but I needed to get it off my chest! :shock:
Mr.Piccolo wrote:Question 3 What super saiyan form could you do without and why? (excluding the "ultra" forms, please)
None of them, to tell ya' the truth. :)
Mr.Piccolo wrote:Question 4 What character do you think deserves more light shed on them? (i.e. include Karin, Kami, Kibito, etc.)
King Furry! ... But seriously, Karin would be cool to see some backround stuff on. Like maybe his training of Roshi and even something before that.
Mr.Piccolo wrote:Question 5 What is the undisputed best movie in your opinion and why?
My opinion says DBZ movie 13 is the best movie of the bunch, it has a pretty damn good continuity stance with the anime canon, has absolute stellar animation (and stereo, yay FUNi DVD ^^;; ), and provides Tapion with a real back-story that seems pretty rare with one-shot movie characters. Oh, and we get to see Bee one more time before he becomes a big ol' Golden-Retriever, you can't go wrong!
The Tori-bot wrote:Question 5: Thirteen, because it has the best, most imaginative story of all of the movies, the fight scenes are great, the animation is top-notch, and Freeza got a great cameo which showed off Gohan's awesomeness. And the Ryu-ken, while coming out of nowhere, was kinda cool, Tapion and Hildegarn had great character designs, backstories, and Tapion had some brilliant interactions with Trunks. And Gotenks is awesome.
You're thinking of movie 12, Tori. :wink:
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Post by Mr.Piccolo » Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:39 am

Wow Conan, you should really get into writing fanfics. That Gohan alternate ending was really good. Only problem was no Big Green, but I could get around that. :)

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Post by Conan the SSJ » Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:42 am

Mr.Piccolo wrote:Wow Conan, you should really get into writing fanfics. That Gohan alternate ending was really good. Only problem was no Big Green, but I could get around that. :)

-Rick
Oh he'd still be there, as Gohan would've rescued him with the boys, but yeah...just in the backround. ^^;;

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