Why do so many people dislike GT Pan?

[90sDBZ]

Pan’s abuse of Gill isn’t an especially endearing quality.

This 100%. I'm surprised I forgot to mention it. It comes across as needlessly mean spirited.

We have a character who is obnoxiously disrespectful to pretty much everyone, causes problems for others while contributing nothing, is caught up in her own self importance, and is also a bully to top it all off.

By the Baby Saga she's significantly improved in all these areas, but it took awhile to get there.

[ABED]

What is annoying is a matter of opinion and the characters don't have to be likeable, they just have to be interesting and contribute to the story.

Obviously it's my opinion. The topic asks "Why do people dislike GT Pan?", so I gave my opinion as to why. How else am I supposed to reply?

And I never said she has to be likeable. She just shouldn't be annoying because nobody enjoys watching an annoying character.

That's not helpful.

People dislike her because she's annoying. Okay, why is she annoying?

We have a character who is obnoxiously disrespectful to pretty much everyone

Again, not disrespectful, she's a child!

We have a character who is obnoxiously disrespectful to pretty much everyone, causes problems for others while contributing nothing, is caught up in her own self importance, and is also a bully to top it all off.

By the Baby Saga she's significantly improved in all these areas, but it took awhile to get there.

She's a child! She improves because that's what they call a character arc. She's immature and her experiences help her mature.

[90sDBZ]

What is annoying is a matter of opinion and the characters don't have to be likeable, they just have to be interesting and contribute to the story.

Obviously it's my opinion. The topic asks "Why do people dislike GT Pan?", so I gave my opinion as to why. How else am I supposed to reply?

And I never said she has to be likeable. She just shouldn't be annoying because nobody enjoys watching an annoying character.

That's not helpful.

People dislike her because she's annoying. Okay, why is she annoying?

We have a character who is obnoxiously disrespectful to pretty much everyone

Again, not disrespectful, she's a child!

We have a character who is obnoxiously disrespectful to pretty much everyone, causes problems for others while contributing nothing, is caught up in her own self importance, and is also a bully to top it all off.

By the Baby Saga she's significantly improved in all these areas, but it took awhile to get there.

She's a child! She improves because that's what they call a character arc. She's immature and her experiences help her mature.

I've already gone into detail about why she's annoying. Have you actually read my posts?

And I don't know why you keep bringing up her being a child. An annoying character is an annoying character, regardless of whether their age justifies it. It may be realistic, but being realistic doesn't automatically make it enjoyable to watch.

I say she's disrespectful, you say she's a child. Okay so she's a disrespectful child. You act like the 2 are mutually exclusive.

[precita]

If Super ever has a timeskip I wonder how Pan's personality would be handled in the modern era.

[ABED]

Obviously it's my opinion. The topic asks "Why do people dislike GT Pan?", so I gave my opinion as to why. How else am I supposed to reply?

And I never said she has to be likeable. She just shouldn't be annoying because nobody enjoys watching an annoying character.

That's not helpful.

People dislike her because she's annoying. Okay, why is she annoying?

We have a character who is obnoxiously disrespectful to pretty much everyone

Again, not disrespectful, she's a child!

We have a character who is obnoxiously disrespectful to pretty much everyone, causes problems for others while contributing nothing, is caught up in her own self importance, and is also a bully to top it all off.

By the Baby Saga she's significantly improved in all these areas, but it took awhile to get there.

She's a child! She improves because that's what they call a character arc. She's immature and her experiences help her mature.

I've already gone into detail about why she's annoying. Have you actually read my posts?

And I don't know why you keep bringing up her being a child. An annoying character is an annoying character, regardless of whether their age justifies it. It may be realistic, but being realistic doesn't automatically make it enjoyable to watch.

I say she's disrespectful, you say she's a child. Okay so she's a disrespectful child. You act like the 2 are mutually exclusive.

I keep bringing up her being a child in reference to you calling her disrespectful. Kids are impetuous and often temperamental not because they are willfully disrespectful but simply because they are immature and haven't reached the age where they are cognizant of other people's feelings to the extant an adult is.

Yes I did read and your big explanation boils down to her being annoying because she's disrespectful.

[Shaddy]

Pan sucks because she's constantly damsel'd and complains all the time, but unlike someone like Bulma, none of the cast play off her particularly well. And in a fighting show, she gets a ton of screentime for how weak she is.

On top of that, she's just wasted potential. Trunks and Goten (even Gohan, really) were too, but they at least had some moments, even if they had to be stuck together to do it. Pan doesn't get a cool fight, despite being ostensibly quite strong and having as much potential power as any saiyan. You'd think that the daughter of Gohan, getting to be one of the main characters in a Dragon Ball show, would merit some level of growth, both personal and physical, on her part, but it really doesn't. She's loud and mean and weak at the start of the show and loud and mean and weak at the end.

Also, this semantic argument over what does or doesn't count as "disrespect" is really stupid.

[MyVisionity]

I'm not sure that the show really lasted long enough for Pan to have any character growth or realize any potential. With a few more sagas, who knows.

[Shaddy]

The show had 64 episodes, the same amount as Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood.

Obviously not wholly comparable, but any show can create significant character growth in huge casts with a length like that, it's just about who you hire, how you work, and what you want.

[MyVisionity]

Yeah but it felt like to me that GT was taking a slow burn in terms of character development. Like they wanted to do it gradually over hundreds of episodes instead of the 64 they got.

[ABED]

Also, this semantic argument over what does or doesn't count as "disrespect" is really stupid.

No one asked.

And Pan does have a moment, one very significant memorable moment at the very least, when a sweet memory of Goku and Pan at the beach causes Goku to regain control and transform into SSJ4. It's a wonderful emotionally resonant scene. I agree that she's mostly in the role of the damsel, but I think she plays off well with the rest of the cast.

[WittyUsername]

It’s a stretch to say that Pan doesn’t get any important moments over the course of the show. She’s the second most prominent character after Goku himself. She gets more noteworthy moments than Gohan and Goten, whose biggest contributions are getting possessed and giving energy to Goku twice.

[Cursed Lemon]

It’s a stretch to say that Pan doesn’t get any important moments over the course of the show. She’s the second most prominent character after Goku himself. She gets more noteworthy moments than Gohan and Goten, whose biggest contributions are getting possessed and giving energy to Goku twice.

This is really an indictment of GT more than anything else.

[precita]

Pan also helps defeat two of the Shadow Dragons in the last arc.

[Matches Malone]

Yeah but it felt like to me that GT was taking a slow burn in terms of character development. Like they wanted to do it gradually over hundreds of episodes instead of the 64 they got.

GT was never intended to last that long, as both the writers and Toriyama said it was only meant to extended things for "a bit longer". The writers even had the ending in mind while the show was in pre-production.

[UpFromTheSkies]

GT disappointed me with their treatment of Pan and Uub, given the way they were set up at the end of Z they should have been a lot stronger than they were, and Pan should have been able to use Super Saiyan.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I will say though, that a young girl and her grandfather going on adventures and fighting evil is an interesting setup for a story that I don't believe I've seen done anywhere else.

[DBZAOTA482]

It's because she acts bratty, constantly causes problems, disrespects Goku, and abuses Giru. Also doesn't help the writer flatout said she only existed to be a dansel-in-distress for Goku to rescue.

It's also made even worse considering she's the daughter of Gohan and granddaughter of Goku and Mr. Satan. She has their quirks but absolutely none of the qualities that made them endearing.

[Hellspawn28]

It is because she is super annoying and she has too much of a big role in GT. Her role in the Shadow Dragon saga could have been gone to someone else like Gohan.

[8000 Saiyan]

Because how bratty and obnoxious she can be. The dub makes her even more annoying, but then again, that was one of the many problems with Funimation's dubs at the time, they made Bulma and Chi-Chi overly obnoxious and one-note. Yamcha comes across as rather unlikable with some of the dialogue he's given and Sabat does not help matters with his rather poor acting at the time.

[WittyUsername]

Because how bratty and obnoxious she can be. The dub makes her even more annoying, but then again, that was one of the many problems with Funimation's dubs at the time, they made Bulma and Chi-Chi overly obnoxious and one-note. Yamcha comes across as rather unlikable with some of the dialogue he's given and Sabat does not help matters with his rather poor acting at the time.

The anime in general made Chi-Chi overly obnoxious and one-note. Also, what specific dialogue does the FUNimation dub give Yamcha that makes him unlikable? Are you talking about the cat loves food thing?