If Dragon Ball goes beyond EOZ what would you like to see

[AliTheZombie13]

I'm curious what high school lives some of you all lived when super heroics is considered "slice of life"

I mean, Sailor Moon wouldn't be anything conventional either, but it's still slice of life.
We still get things like Gohan preparing to go on a date, having a romance with a classmate, having to find a way out of school when trouble arises, etc. It's high school slice of life.

Still, I find it very ironic that people try all the time to dictate "This isn't real Dragon Ball!" when talking about different things like the Gohan high-school shenanigans when the creator himself wanted to do these things.

[Kaboom]

Dragon Ball already did go "beyond the end of Z" with GT, and that's all I need. Any new alternatives attempted by the creatively-bankrupt modern heralds of Dragon Ball would inevitably be worse and just fuck up even more things than Super already has.

[MasenkoHA]

I'm curious what high school lives some of you all lived when super heroics is considered "slice of life"

I mean, Sailor Moon wouldn't be anything conventional either, but it's still slice of life.
We still get things like Gohan preparing to go on a date, having a romance with a classmate, having to find a way out of school when trouble arises, etc. It's high school slice of life.

Still, I find it very ironic that people try all the time to dictate "This isn't real Dragon Ball!" when talking about different things like the Gohan high-school shenanigans when the creator himself wanted to do these things.

I mean almost any super hero story especially set where the hero is in school is gonna have "slice of life moments" but that doesn't make it a slice of life series. Otherwise literally every single super hero series with teenage characters would be a "slice of life series"

Hell, even outside the Saiyaman arc there are "slice of life" moments in Dragon Ball, it's basically impossible to not have those moments in most series.

[theherodjl]

You know, since DBS went with the concept of two of the three past DBZ villains returning, they should just go on with Majin Boo returning in some capacity. Pure Boo coming back could be explained as being along the lines of the method that brought back Dai Kaioshin's memories in Fat Boo. Some character might try some form of hypnosis or meditation on Oob in the hopes that it will help him achieve proper control over his power, and it would result in Pure Boo's personality/memories reemerging and then possessing Oob on & off across an arc. It could result in a dilemma in which Goku is unsure of what to do with his new student unable to get a handle on his chaotic origins, and having to make his first big decision as an actual mentor.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

I wouldn't mind a reworking or reimagining of GT's story arcs in a world where the 12 Universes, Beerus, Whis, Zero, etc all exist.

It wouldn't be as good without Akihito Tokunaga's score, the Japanese cast at their prime and GT's unique 90s aesthetic but I'd be interested to see the Baby and Evil Dragons told in a new way.

Don't know what I'd want from a "Next Generation" type story, I'd worry about it feeling generic, although I think Oob at least deserved a little better than what he got in GT, which the loss of Majin Boo didn't justify.

[Majin Buu]

Without Toriyama, though, I'd just like to see some connective tissue added to stuff he's already done beyond EOZ, like Neko Majin and GT('s character designs). Show how Z came to train under Goku alongside Oob. Show Freeza becoming a father. Show why Vegeta is working for Freeza again. Show Vegeta retiring, growing a mustache, and chopping his hair off.

Ok, a Neko Majin adaptation would be something I'd love to see. They could make it a miniseries.

Spoiler:

_{And it's technically not Dragon Ball so my original post still stands.}

[TheGreatness25]

This might be unpopular and I have accepted that GT simply didn't happen (you can say "in the main timeline" or whatever, but didn't happen), but I always thought it would be cool if a new Dragon Ball series told the events that lead to the Goku Jr. story. I imagined that the lineage between Pan and Goku Jr. must have been pretty amazing and died noble deaths protecting the universe or something.

Though, I'm also ready for it all to just end. There is no series in my life that I loved quite like Dragon Ball, but I wouldn't mind if it just wound down instead of continuing on and on soullessly.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

This might be unpopular and I have accepted that GT simply didn't happen (you can say "in the main timeline" or whatever, but didn't happen)

GT didn't happen in Toriyama's timeline, it doesn't make it an invalid story, quite the contrary because Toriyama
endorsed it. It was just not his idea, hence why he never talked about it in interviews or had any concern over how the revival era stories he's written would affect GT.

It was similar to how in Star Wars George Lucas was happy to allow people like Timothy Zahn write their own stories for the expanded universe but it had no bearing on his story. Although he did borrow some elements like the name Coruscant, but what we know of his sequel trilogy ideas obviously didn't take the Thrawn trilogy into account because it wasn't a part of his artistic vision.

Ultimately GT was a "side story", something that branched off from the main story in a different direction but was its own unique take on Toriyama's world.

[Grimlock]

You would think that, at this point, people would understand the idea of "multiple Universes/dimensions" (granted, terminology might be confusing, but even so...) to the point that we wouldn't have to see "it didn't happen" being stated anymore, but nope... There still is a complete lack of understanding of this concept.

But hey, "we've had enough of Multiverse stories". We sure have, without even knowing what it is.

Let say Toyotaro goes beyond EOZ, what would you like to see in the new chapter?

An adaptation of Neko Majin and Dragon Ball Online. Keep Toriyama's legacy alive by not forgetting what's already there from the man himself, while also moving forward, literally and figuratively.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

I think the "it didn't happen" is a holdover from the pre-Super era when GT was Dragon Ball's punching bag. And I mean... sure, it didn't happen, these are all fictional stories.

I'm no fan of Jordan Peterson but I think he was on to something when he said fictional stories, like those told in the Bible or Shakespeare plays that have been studied for decades can be more "real" than true stories when it comes to the value of the stories being told, what they say about the human condition, personal development through challenges and so on.

I'm not saying GT is on par with the greatest works of literature, but what should matter is not whether it "happened" in Toriyama's or other writer's heads, rather whether or not it adds anything of merit. I would say it does, and I think more fans have realized it now with how much Super has pandered to Dragon Ball Z fans. Vegeta showed real growth in GT by continuing to train even though he no longer cared about surpassing Goku, which shows maturity. Baby, who was sadly little more than a generic super villain was nonetheless an example for how awful the Saiyan race were, and even though brainwashing Goku's friends didn't justify it you can understand him wanting to recreate the world of his heritage with the black star Dragon Balls. Speaking of the Dragon Balls the idea that our heroes crutch for decades becomes their biggest problem yet still holds up as it added some much needed tension to the freedom they always gave them to reverse catastrophic fates like death and adds significance and weight to Old Kai's warnings about misusing them.

It may not be the greatest series ever made but GT's ambition made it a story that sticks with us (or at least it did for me). These stories are indeed very real in terms of how poignant their messages are.

[BlueChi]

My list is pretty simple.

• Gradually sideline Goku and Vegeta in a way that makes it so that they're still there, but not the protags.

• Highlight the younger cast, ideally Goten and Trunks, while gradually promoting Pan and Uub as the new protagonists after a couple of arcs and time-skips.

• Make Pan and Uub amicable rivals, though with a lot of tension hidden in Pan. due to feeling envious of Uub over what happens at EoZ, for character drama reasons

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• Go balls deep with multiversal shenanigans while toning down the power levels, in order to explore more 'Quest' arcs, maybe incorporate the Galactic Patrol into it.

[TheGreatness25]

You would think that, at this point, people would understand the idea of "multiple Universes/dimensions" (granted, terminology might be confusing, but even so...) to the point that we wouldn't have to see "it didn't happen" being stated anymore, but nope... There still is a complete lack of understanding of this concept.

But hey, "we've had enough of Multiverse stories". We sure have, without even knowing what it is.

Let say Toyotaro goes beyond EOZ, what would you like to see in the new chapter?

An adaptation of Neko Majin and Dragon Ball Online. Keep Toriyama's legacy alive by not forgetting what's already there from the man himself, while also moving forward, literally and figuratively.

It's not a lack of umderstanding, it's accepting that the story is completely inconsequential, so what's the point of building on something like that? This interdimensional explanation is just something fans came up with to cope with the fragmented storytelling because there are several hands in the Dragon Ball cookie jar--it's not an official explanation of anything and it's not something that I have to subscribe to.

So, yes, GT didn't happen IN THE MAIN TIMELINE (as I'm pretty sure I said originally) and while I always thought expanding on the Goku Jr. story would be cool, it would ultimately make no difference to anything, so what's the point? They could just as simply create a totally different future world that would be even more built and better written than Goku Jr. and Vegeta Jr. I think my fascination with that story was because that's what we had to work with, but now, they could just write anything they want. Add it to the "interdemensiomal" storytelling.

[tonysoprano300]

I'm curious what high school lives some of you all lived when super heroics is considered "slice of life"

I mean, Sailor Moon wouldn't be anything conventional either, but it's still slice of life.
We still get things like Gohan preparing to go on a date, having a romance with a classmate, having to find a way out of school when trouble arises, etc. It's high school slice of life.

Still, I find it very ironic that people try all the time to dictate "This isn't real Dragon Ball!" when talking about different things like the Gohan high-school shenanigans when the creator himself wanted to do these things.

Well even if you look at the text alone, the story of DB deals heavily with the idea that Goku is simply carrying the torch that was handed down to him by the previous generation of martial artists. So the claim that its somehow contradictory or ill fitting for Goku to pass the torch to what he perceives as the next generation is something i never really came to understand.

And I do feel we have kind of gotten to a point where they aren’t really doing much with Goku as a character. You could argue that the saiyan arc was maybe the last time Toriyama really attempted to explore him a little bit.

[Grimlock]

It's not a lack of umderstanding, it's accepting that the story is completely inconsequential, so what's the point of building on something like that?

That screams lack of understanding. But alright, I will once again indulge this and try to explain the reality of the situation the best I can:

A story may be inconsequential to the timeline you call "the main one", but it still is consequential to the timeline it belongs to. That's the very point of building on something like that. A story set outside of the "main one" does not mean it is invalid, inconsequential, pointless and not worth one's time. Especially in franchises that deal with multiple realities. Marvel's "main continuity" is "Earth-616", but that does not mean the other Earths "didn't happen", "don't exist", "are inconsequential", and etc. DC's "main continuity" is "Earth-Prime", but that does not mean the other Earths "didn't happen", "don't exist", "are inconsequential", and etc. Dragon Ball's "main continuity" might be the original manga, but that does not mean the dimension where the movies, Dragon Ball GT and OVAs take place "didn't happen", "don't exist", "are inconsequential", and etc.

Just because manga Goku has never interacted with GT Goku so far does not mean the latter is a little ghost. Lack of evidence is not an evidence. The thing you have to understand is just that we (very unfortunately) haven't had stories exploring this (without counting Xenoverse and Heroes). In other words, this is purely an out-of-universe issue, not an in-universe. In fact, from an in-universe perspective, there have been opportunities for stuff like this to happen. We merely didn't have an author who put those gears into motion.

The questions are why would you only care about just one timeline? Why does it need to happen specifically on the timeline you call "main one" for you to care? All realities "exist", the dimension where stories outside of the manga happen is as valid as any other. This is what you should understand by now. Dragon Ball Super is not more valid than Dragon Ball GT (and vice versa). Dragon Ball Super does not erase Dragon Ball GT out of existence. They merely take place in different places, that's all that there is to it. Stories set in the Dragon Ball Super timeline will be consequential to Dragon Ball Super, stories set in the Dragon Ball GT timeline will be consequential to Dragon Ball GT. Dragon Ball Super Broly is not more valid than Dragon Ball Z Broly. Super Broly does not erase Z Broly out of existence. They merely live in different realities, that's all that there is to it. Whatever happens to the former will be consequential to him, whatever happens to the latter will be consequential to him. They can meet each other in-universe, there's absolutely nothing preventing this from happening, it's just a matter of who has the guts to tell that story.

You need to stop thinking that Dragon Ball is a straight line, having just one continuity, just one timeline. Dragon Ball is actually a tree, with a lot of branches. Each of those branches should be important to you. Now, it is in your right to prefer to stick to just the "trunk" of that tree, and even outright ignore the branches. But it is not in your right to say "it didn't happen". The only ones that have the authority to say whether something happened or not are Shueisha and the authors of their respective works.

Another question you should ask is: "what's the main timeline anyway?". Is it just what the author does? If that's the case, why do we still have so many discrepancies in the answers? What I consider "main timeline" is different from what you consider. Who's to say who is right and who is wrong? Because there's nothing official on that matter. Who did state that only what the author does is valid and that we should ignore everything else? In the absence of an official statement, who's gonna point a gun to my head and tell me I'm not allowed to consider this or that?

Can you see how the only thing "inconsequential" here is trying to force an idea that doesn't even work in the first place?

This interdimensional explanation is just something fans came up with to cope with the fragmented storytelling because there are several hands in the Dragon Ball cookie jar

No, this is not just some explanation fans came up with. This has been a staple and of official use since long before we were born. DC first did this with its "Wonder Woman #59" in 1953; Transformers first did this with its "Rhythms of Darkness!" in 1990 and so on. Multiverse has been in use as a way to "explain things away" since forever ago. And the concept of Multiverse itself is much older than you may think.

(A reminder: the "Multiverse Appreciation Thread" that I said I would do is still on the plans! I intend to explain this and much more, in details, in that thread. So please bear with me!).

it's not an official explanation of anything and it's not something that I have to subscribe to.

Dragon Ball Heroes and Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 continuously state that the movie villains come from "another timeline". While you can say "duh, but that's only for the narrative of the game", they are still official explanation. Also, how much do you want to bet Shueisha thinks the same? In fact, who's to say it wasn't Shueisha that suggested Dimps to come up with that explanation? I'm willing to bet whatever you say. Also also, there's Toriyama himself acknowledging the movies as taking place in "alternate dimension". So even if you ignore those two games (which are official products, and so should be more than enough), are you going to ignore him as well?

So, yes, GT didn't happen IN THE MAIN TIMELINE (as I'm pretty sure I said originally) and while I always thought expanding on the Goku Jr. story would be cool, it would ultimately make no difference to anything, so what's the point? They could just as simply create a totally different future world that would be even more built and better written than Goku Jr. and Vegeta Jr. I think my fascination with that story was because that's what we had to work with, but now, they could just write anything they want. Add it to the "interdemensiomal" storytelling.

Expanding on the Goku Junior story would ultimately make a difference to Dragon Ball GT, as it would be a story set in that dimension, serving as a sequel to that series. It would have the exact same point as a story set in the Dragon Ball Super dimension, serving as a sequel to it. It would have the exact same point as a story with "a totally different future world that would be even more built and better written than Goku Jr. and Vegeta Jr.".

[FoolsGil]

I'd want to see a series a couple centuries after EOZ. New Slate, new characters, new adventures, new fights!

[ABED]

I'd just like to see the relationships with the characters deepen, and good fights. I don't care about canon and timelines. I don't even care if the series doesn't escape the interim period before the end of Z. If the show continues, just deepen things. Forget about expanding them. The multiverse and god hierarchies are window dressing.

I'd love to see more of Uncle Piccolo and Grandpa Goku.

[sangofe]

Would be cool to have Goku and Vegeta in mentor roles and the other younger taking more active roles. I'd like originality going forward. Also very good points about deeping relationships. That was my preferred part about Super Super Hero.

[Koitsukai]

I don't have a problem with gradually sidelining the saiyans, they eventually move on for DBO, I'd like to see Goku be a mentor and Vegeta be a hakaishin.
And have the younglings go on some adventures. Pan (trained by Piccolo and Goten), Bra (trained by Trunks and Vegeta), Marron (trained by Goku and 17), Oob.

I'd like to see more character interactions, I'd like Broly to come out of his shell and be able to hold a conversation with non-saiyan earthlings. Befriending them, going for dinner to Mr. Satan's, Bulma's, Goku, or Gohan's house, saving their asses.

I'd like to see all those things GT couldn't give too shits about, Oob interacting with Pan and Bra, Goten being an actual uncle, Trunks being not a fucking suit and be an actual brother to Bra. 17 being an uncle to Marron, Marron being friends with her cousins Pan and Bra. I want some substance, not just pew pew, another planet, pew pew, another boring villain, pew pew.

[jjgp1112]

I'm curious what high school lives some of you all lived when super heroics is considered "slice of life"

I mean, Sailor Moon wouldn't be anything conventional either, but it's still slice of life.
We still get things like Gohan preparing to go on a date, having a romance with a classmate, having to find a way out of school when trouble arises, etc. It's high school slice of life.

Still, I find it very ironic that people try all the time to dictate "This isn't real Dragon Ball!" when talking about different things like the Gohan high-school shenanigans when the creator himself wanted to do these things.

Yeah, but then Toriyama, by his own words, realized these high school shenanigans might be fun but eventually he had to get back to where this series' bread is buttered and as soon as that happened, it was right back to Goku because Goku is a far better protagonist for the type of martial arts stories Toriyama wants to tell than Gohan. A Gohan-centric Dragon Ball would almost have to be a 100% comedy because Gohan fits Toriyama's "Hypercompetent but insecure dork" archetype (Senbei Norimaki, Neko Majin, Jaco), and that would pretty much only resemble the first arc of DB; even when it was still a funny manga in the 21st tournament and Red Ribbon arcs, DB was still driven by Goku's desire to push himself as a martial artist.

The high school stuff is a fun temporary diversion but yeah, a series built on that entirely isn't really Dragon Ball.

[AliTheZombie13]

Yeah, but then Toriyama, by his own words, realized these high school shenanigans might be fun but eventually he had to get back to where this series' bread is buttered and as soon as that happened, it was right back to Goku because Goku is a far better protagonist for the type of martial arts stories Toriyama wants to tell than Gohan. A Gohan-centric Dragon Ball would almost have to be a 100% comedy because Gohan fits Toriyama's "Hypercompetent but insecure dork" archetype (Senbei Norimaki, Neko Majin, Jaco), and that would pretty much only resemble the first arc of DB; even when it was still a funny manga in the 21st tournament and Red Ribbon arcs, DB was still driven by Goku's desire to push himself as a martial artist.

The high school stuff is a fun temporary diversion but yeah, a series built on that entirely isn't really Dragon Ball.

Wasn't there a quote from an interview where Toriyama said he course-corrected Dragon Ball during the Boo Saga because kids at the time felt underwhelmed by the Gohan slice-of-life approach and wanted more battles instead? It's essentially the same thing that happened with GT.

"We want to get back to our roots... Oh, what's that? The fans are complaining? They don't like the new direction? Shit! Turn around and do more of the same, quick!"

And to be honest, it is saddening that Dragon Ball as a franchise is afraid to try new things because of the fan backlash. I really hope Daima doesn't start one way, then around Episode 16, they go... "Oh my god, the fans on Twitter hated the premise, let's focus on edgy world-saving all over again!"