Would you like to see blood in DB Daima?

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Re: Would you like to see blood in DB Daima?

Post by JulieYBM » Sun Oct 06, 2024 2:15 pm

I'd love to see a lot of blood, but I'm not holding out my hope for Daima to have blood. Blood is a fun little thing to add into series and I always enjoy the creative ways in which it is animated and drawn.
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Post by BootyCheeksJohnson » Tue Oct 08, 2024 3:05 am

I'm for it if there's an injury or death where it would feel necessary. It doesn't have to be a gore fest but doing the opposite and having no blood at all can be just as distracting. The fact that Vegeta and Goku didn't bleed a single drop from the serious stab wounds they received in the Trunks/Goku Black arc of Super took me out of the story.
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Re: Would you like to see blood in DB Daima?

Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:44 pm

Episode 1 of Daima is out and we have our answer, above is a trailer shot and below is episode shot:

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Post by SupremeKai25 » Mon Oct 14, 2024 3:39 am

Good. This series is not the place for blood and other gory imagery.

Also, Goku hurting Vegeta so much to cause bleeding in a friendly sparring session is so cruel.
At his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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Re: Would you like to see blood in DB Daima?

Post by Rafa Fast » Mon Oct 14, 2024 3:57 am

Neo-Makaiōshin wrote: Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:44 pm Episode 1 of Daima is out and we have our answer, above is a trailer shot and below is episode shot:

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Yeah, that's not good, I mean, I don't mind animated Dragon Ball not having blood anymore, I already accepted that Toei will remain stuck in the eternal "yes or no" when it comes to it, It's been like this for almost a decade, but tricking us by putting blood in that scene in trailer and then removing it in the final show is just wrong to me, not a fan of trailer bait, though, I wouldn't say that the blood completely gone, (that's why I say that it's a ongoing "yes or no"), the Boo Saga recap shows not only Dabura, but also Majin Vegeta with blood
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Now you might say "yeees!" But actually, I wouldn't be so excited, as I believe that there may be actually a reason for why Vegeta shows up with blood in the flashback, but the blood is removed from him in the spar against Goku, it's just a guess but you'll see how crazy it is
Apparently Toei (and even Bandai) need to follow a weird rule where flashbacks of DB and DBZ, regardless of them being reused footage or reanimations, can't have the blood removed if the original scene contains it, i know it makes no sense, but I'll explain it

Kai, despite censoring some of the blood (classic Goku & Raditz death), most of it is left untouched, Kai Boo in both of its japanese and international releases contains a lot of blood and they just leave it that way with no problem, then Super anime arrives and only 3% of it has blood in the entire run, but when using reused footage from Kai that contains blood, the blood is there.

I know, you might say that this is because they thought it would take too much time to edit out all the blood from Kai, but I still have more to say

The promotional anime for Super Dragon Ball Heroes, there's no blood in that anime (at least in the 2D episodes, still have to watch the 3D ones), but somehow, the flashback for Vegeta's death on Namekusei seen in one of the episodes, which is not a reused footage from Kai, but the scene reanimated, the blood is kept!, unfortunately can't remember the episode, nor the saga, and I couldn't find a screencap of the moment on google, but I remember it very well, it ws a similar if not same amount of blood seen in the original scene.

The Dragon Ball Legends mobile videogame also doesn't have blood in any of its arts and character models, but the background art for one of the characters of Namekusei Vegeta (so far there are two in the game from what I remember) also features Vegeta dying with very evident blood like the original!

I know, maybe I'm overthinking it and there's no real consistency in this, but I couldn't avoid noticing that for flashbacks, the blood is just casually constantly kept with no problem.
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Post by super michael » Tue Oct 15, 2024 9:04 am

I found this video which compared Dragon Ball Daima and Dragon Ball Z. I don't know if there are better videos but here it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mcnue5cOiEE

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Post by nineko » Fri Oct 18, 2024 2:30 pm

And there you have it, happy?

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nineko wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2024 2:30 pm And there you have it, happy?

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Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Fri Oct 18, 2024 2:41 pm

nineko wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2024 2:30 pm And there you have it, happy?
Nah, we need Mortal Kombat levels of blood.
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Post by JulieYBM » Fri Oct 18, 2024 3:53 pm

Purple blood is less violent looking than red blood. It's why the Klingons in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country have pink-ish blood.
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Post by SupremeKai25 » Sat Oct 19, 2024 4:12 am

People clearly never cared about purple gore or they wouldn't say that DBS has no gore when it has this:

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Literally half his face/body melting including his eye socket.
At his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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Post by Yuji » Sat Oct 19, 2024 4:46 am

SupremeKai25 wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 4:12 am People clearly never cared about purple gore or they wouldn't say that DBS has no gore when it has this:

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Literally half his face/body melting including his eye socket.
That's a very cartoonish depiction of gore. It's way different than, for instance, Gas' body decomposing as he fights and then his face literally melting off exposing his skull as he's killed by Freeza.

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Post by SupremeKai25 » Sat Oct 19, 2024 4:52 am

Yuji wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 4:46 am That's a very cartoonish depiction of gore. It's way different than, for instance, Gas' body decomposing as he fights and then his face literally melting off exposing his skull as he's killed by Freeza.
One of his eyes is that big because it's popping out of his destroyed eye socket. It is gory. Just not the red kind of gore, which means it's invalid, lol!
At his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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Re: Would you like to see blood in DB Daima?

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SupremeKai25 wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 4:52 am
Yuji wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 4:46 am That's a very cartoonish depiction of gore. It's way different than, for instance, Gas' body decomposing as he fights and then his face literally melting off exposing his skull as he's killed by Freeza.
One of his eyes is that big because it's popping out of his destroyed eye socket. It is gory. Just not the red kind of gore, which means it's invalid, lol!
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Post by nineko » Sat Oct 19, 2024 5:09 am

Neo-Makaiōshin wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2024 2:41 pmNah, we need Mortal Kombat levels of blood.
Well, we kinda got the "babality" as of now, maybe the "fatality" is next to come.

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Post by Mister_Popo » Tue Nov 12, 2024 2:43 pm

DBZ was sometimes quite generous in showing blood. Large amounts (read: liters) of blood aren’t really necessary for me. DBS, however, did the opposite. There wasn’t even a drop of blood shown after impalements or intense beatings. This sometimes makes the new-gen Dragon Ball feel very cartoonish. If we’re lucky, we might see a bit more blood in the finale of Daima. But honestly, I don’t expect major changes since the Dragon Ball audience has expanded to include kids under 12, which is actually not the typical target age for shounen. The original DB manga was initially aimed at the shounen age group of 12 to 18 years old.

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Re: Would you like to see blood in DB Daima?

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SupremeKai25 wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 4:52 am
Yuji wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 4:46 am That's a very cartoonish depiction of gore. It's way different than, for instance, Gas' body decomposing as he fights and then his face literally melting off exposing his skull as he's killed by Freeza.
One of his eyes is that big because it's popping out of his destroyed eye socket. It is gory. Just not the red kind of gore, which means it's invalid, lol!
This is nonsense. The depiction here is as said very cartoony. You could change Gas' decomposition to be purple and it would still be way more grotesque than the so-called Grotesque Zamasu. It already was in black and white.

We don't even know what that purple goo is. It could be melted skin, it could be blood, it could be anything, because again it's very cartoony and he doesn't seem in pain from it. Hell, he wants it and it makes him buffer, bigger and stronger. Assuming his eye socked was destroyed in Dragonball of all things where eyes change shapes constantly (in most anime, really) is just headcanon and honestly trying too hard about it. Zamasu is transforming. In Dragonball. That's a very far cry from actually being shown bleeding or with parts of your body literally being broken and falling out from it like with Gas. Do you also think his arm was broken or destroyed rather than getting bigger? If not, why apply that for the eye? We literally see him having normal size eyes when Goku first hits him and the goo appears on his face. His eye pocket being destroyed would also have his eyeball moving in a way different way that it does.

There is a reason why Vegeta wasn't even allowed to bleed from Black'a wound and yet Grotesque Zamasu was right there. They are not the same at all. The later is veey cartoony which is why any version gets away with it anywhere.
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Post by SupremeKai25 » Fri Nov 15, 2024 7:22 pm

MisteryOne wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2024 7:12 pm
SupremeKai25 wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 4:52 am
Yuji wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 4:46 am That's a very cartoonish depiction of gore. It's way different than, for instance, Gas' body decomposing as he fights and then his face literally melting off exposing his skull as he's killed by Freeza.
One of his eyes is that big because it's popping out of his destroyed eye socket. It is gory. Just not the red kind of gore, which means it's invalid, lol!
This is nonsense. The depiction here is as said very cartoony. You could change Gas' decomposition to be purple and it would still be way more grotesque than the so-called Grotesque Zamasu. It already was in black and white.

We don't even know what that purple goo is. It could be melted skin, it could be blood, it could be anything, because again it's very cartoony and he doesn't seem in pain from it. Hell, he wants it and it makes him buffer, bigger and stronger. Assuming his eye socked was destroyed in Dragonball of all things where eyes change shapes constantly (in most anime, really) is just headcanon and honestly trying too hard about it. Zamasu is transforming. In Dragonball. That's a very far cry from actually being shown bleeding or with parts of your body literally being broken and falling out from it like with Gas. Do you also think his arm was broken or destroyed rather than getting bigger? If not, why apply that for the eye? We literally see him having normal size eyes when Goku first hits him and the goo appears on his face. His eye pocket being destroyed would also have his eyeball moving in a way different way that it does.

There is a reason why Vegeta wasn't even allowed to bleed from Black'a wound and yet Grotesque Zamasu was right there. They are not the same at all. The later is veey cartoony which is why any version gets away with it anywhere.
It's not "nonsense", you just don't like that Super has some of the goriest scenes in all of Dragon Ball (Half of Fused Zamasu literally melting apart and is eye almost popping out of the eye socket).
At his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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Post by StaticMania » Fri Nov 15, 2024 10:31 pm

If that's supposed to be his eye "popping out" it is not clear in the slightest.

That's not at all what I would be assuming by looking at that, it's so...understated.

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Post by goku the krump dancer » Mon Nov 25, 2024 12:38 pm

What mutated Zamasu is supposed to represent is more gory in theory than in presentation. If that’s what some people consider “gore” than I guess the monsters on Power Puff Girls or Power Rangers with multiple eyes, mouths and slime can be classified up there with some of the most disturbing Love Craft works.

When I think of “gore” in Dragon Ball, I think Cell absorbing people, Boo jumping into the gunman’s mouth, Boo absorbing Gotenks and Piccolo was pretty dramatic as well. Oh and The slaughtering of the Namekians was pretty brutal as well.
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