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Post by Kendamu » Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:23 am

GI_Judd2287 wrote:As would I. I get the impression he hates the majority of the elitist anime community.
All the more reason to dislike him right back!

Seems he was the reason the Ocean cast got dropped and now he basically is the cast of Dragonball Z (co-starring Sean Schemmel as everyone Chris Sabat isn't in DBZ). I like the Ocean cast. So I don't like him.

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Post by Castor Troy » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:26 pm

The ocean cast was dropped because Barry Watson was tired of constantly flying over to Canada to oversee the production, plus FUNi had no more funding from Saban.

Flying from Texas to Canada gets pretty tiring.

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Post by Mr.Piccolo » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:30 pm

Thanks for the read, Kirbopher!
GI_Judd2287 wrote:As would I. I get the impression he hates the majority of the elitist anime community.
I was under the impression that Sabat can call all of the shots. I mean, he is more than half of the VA talents there (Well with Dragonball anyway). While we’re at it, why the hell is this considered news (for its time)? Is there anything else going on in Dallas that they could talk about?! :? Now I want to mean Sabat at a convention really bad..
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Post by caejones » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:42 pm

*notices that the word "have" is imphasized in Mike's reply*
Criss Sabat playing everyone wouldn't be so bad, if, you know, it wasn't so obvious...
But for some reason I didn't realize that half the voices were done by the same guy until the end of the Cell saga (what with not reading the credits and all). And then I hear a British Piccolo in FullMetalAlchemist, and Yamcha shoots someone in CaseClosed, and I'm thinking... "You know, he's got some good voices... he shouldn't throw them around to the extent that they become obnoxious".

Of course, I'd probably do the same thing. o.o.

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Post by Kirbopher » Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:44 pm

So true... ^^;;; Why can't people keep their mouths shut a little better when they're angry like that, anyway?
Because...it's the INTERNET :O The place where people can say whatever the hell they want with (most of the time) no ramifications.
All the more reason to dislike him right back!

Seems he was the reason the Ocean cast got dropped and now he basically is the cast of Dragonball Z (co-starring Sean Schemmel as everyone Chris Sabat isn't in DBZ). I like the Ocean cast. So I don't like him.
So you're going to dislike someone you don't even know, for something that hasn't even been completely confirmed; not to mention out of spite simply because he's not part of the Ocean Group?

...internet. I rest my case KinoFourpaws.
The ocean cast was dropped because Barry Watson was tired of constantly flying over to Canada to oversee the production, plus FUNi had no more funding from Saban.
According to Caitlin Glass (when asked about it at AnimeNEXT) one of the other factors was that in some ways, Texas is considered "the third coast", and has a pretty large casting pool of its own. As I'm hoping several of you guys know, many of FUNimation's in-house cast have done stage or radio work, even some independent film work (like Eric Vale and Jason Liebrecht for instance), in cases YEARS before they even got into the voiceover industry. So if you were in charge of a company, wouldn't you prefer to utilize those in your OWN area, as opposed to people on the other side of the country (in this case IN another country, actually XD;)?

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Post by GI_Judd2287 » Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:47 pm

I feel bad for all the hate the poor guy gets. Not just because I like his Vegeta voice, but he's just trying to make a buck like the rest of us. Can you blame him for wanting to make more profit? Harassment doesn't get anyone anywhere.
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Post by VegettoEX » Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:55 pm

What everyone needs to keep in mind when reading this article and talking about it all is to remember the timeframe and the circumstances:

- We didn't have a subtitled version of the show, and as far as we knew, we were never going to get one.

- FUNimation didn't exactly have anything resembling "PR". Lance Heiskell did not exist. Sabat calling us all "snobs" and the company's and fans' mutual hatred for each other was just another day at the park, back then.
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Post by landoku » Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:07 pm

Good Article, Nice find.

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Post by Kendamu » Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:59 pm

Kirbopher wrote:So you're going to dislike someone you don't even know, for something that hasn't even been completely confirmed; not to mention out of spite simply because he's not part of the Ocean Group?

...internet. I rest my case KinoFourpaws.
I can also dislike the President, Tom Cruise, and whoever the Hell decided to cancel Invader Zim even though I know none of them personally.

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Post by Space Coyote » Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:48 pm

I met Chris Sabat in Dallas at a comic book shop one time, and he was a really really awesome guy who was more than willing to talk shop with me (and hearing his Vegeta voice come out of that small face of his was a trip to say the least). I could tell he genuinely loves the fans, and really wants to please them in any way possible. I'm a fan of SOME of the voices he does (Vegeta and Piccolo in particular, I strongly dislike his Yamcha voice, although it was pretty funny when he did it in person), and while I don't agree with all of FUNi's creative decisions, I think it's silly for people to just say "I HATE CHRIS SABAT!!!" It seems that a lot of people confuse hating someone's creative decisions/abilities, and hating someone as a person, which is a pretty extreme sentiment to harbor towards a voice actor!

But like the article says, a lot of the FUNimation actors do some cool theater stuff in the Dallas area. I remember seeing Chuck Huber in a play once while the Cell arc was first on TV, and there was a little girl was in a small play that I saw who did various kids voices for DBGT (I think she played Pan in certain flashbacks) and she played a character in Fruits Basket. But if you go see lots of theater in Dallas, you are bound to see one of them in a stage production at some point!

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Post by Kendamu » Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:01 am

As I don't know Chris Sabat as a person and what he does in his freetime outside of his work on anime that FUNi distributes isn't really of any interest to me (as well as a lot of other people) when I say "I don't like Sabat" it's supposed to be pretty obvious that I'm talking about him as an employee of FUNimation.

I'm sure that the people who make up the cast and crew of FUNimation's DBZ are nice people and all that. However, I'm not here to talk about Sean Schemmel's DVD collection and critique how he uses the bathroom or talks to his family. So, when I talk about likes and dislikes with the people behind any version of anything related to Dragonball, I'm talking about them as whatever they are to the overall production of Dragonball-related things as this is a Dragonball message board and not the "Dude I went to the bar with Kyle Herbert the other night" message board.

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Post by KinoFourpaws » Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:32 am

Kirbopher wrote:Because...it's the INTERNET :O The place where people can say whatever the hell they want with (most of the time) no ramifications.
(... Kendamu said something. o.o)
So you're going to dislike someone you don't even know, for something that hasn't even been completely confirmed; not to mention out of spite simply because he's not part of the Ocean Group?

...internet. I rest my case KinoFourpaws.
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VegettoEX wrote:What everyone needs to keep in mind when reading this article and talking about it all is to remember the timeframe and the circumstances:

- We didn't have a subtitled version of the show, and as far as we knew, we were never going to get one.

- FUNimation didn't exactly have anything resembling "PR". Lance Heiskell did not exist. Sabat calling us all "snobs" and the company's and fans' mutual hatred for each other was just another day at the park, back then.
Well... I kinda don't remember those things. I was too young then! D: And what is "PR"? o__O;
Kendamu wrote:As I don't know Chris Sabat as a person and what he does in his freetime outside of his work on anime that FUNi distributes isn't really of any interest to me (as well as a lot of other people) when I say "I don't like Sabat" it's supposed to be pretty obvious that I'm talking about him as an employee of FUNimation.

I'm sure that the people who make up the cast and crew of FUNimation's DBZ are nice people and all that. However, I'm not here to talk about Sean Schemmel's DVD collection and critique how he uses the bathroom or talks to his family. So, when I talk about likes and dislikes with the people behind any version of anything related to Dragonball, I'm talking about them as whatever they are to the overall production of Dragonball-related things as this is a Dragonball message board and not the "Dude I went to the bar with Kyle Herbert the other night" message board.
Aah, disclaimer! :lol: No offense, man, that's just how it sounded to me. Now try saying that really fast like it's for a commercial or something... xD;; It does make sense, though, I suppose. o_o

And I think Kyle Hebert actually has his own message board where that kind of stuff can be posted... xD
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Post by Maphisto86 » Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:06 am

KinoFourpaws wrote:
VegettoEX wrote:What everyone needs to keep in mind when reading this article and talking about it all is to remember the timeframe and the circumstances:

- We didn't have a subtitled version of the show, and as far as we knew, we were never going to get one.

- FUNimation didn't exactly have anything resembling "PR". Lance Heiskell did not exist. Sabat calling us all "snobs" and the company's and fans' mutual hatred for each other was just another day at the park, back then.
Well... I kinda don't remember those things. I was too young then! D: And what is "PR"? o__O;
"PR" stands for Public Relations Kino. :D Knowing is half the battle....

Anywho, I think as for the "anime snobs" comment people are taking it too seriously. I mean isin't "snob" nowadays thrown around to describe anyone with particular tastes who are selective about what they like?

As for this article, Mike/Vegetto EX/"The Boss (?)" is right. It is rather old and a lot has changed with FUNImation since then (though it would seem not enough)... :x However I think they really do care about the fanbase. They just aren't privy to what the majority want. Also there are several different types of fans. Some who worship the dub, others who loath it as if it were a war crime and those of us in between. So you can imagine the mixed messages they recieve. I'm not excusing their mistakes I'm just saying what Iv'e observed over the years.

Here's hoping for the best.... :lol: :oops: :?
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Post by Kirbopher » Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:06 am

So guys, I totally went bowling with Dale Kelly and Mark Britten earlier today.

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So I'm a little lost on one thing. I see the "anime snob" comment in the article and I can see the context of that, but was this term 'thrown around' in other places as well? It kinda seems that way, and Mike saying things like this were very common back in the day doesn't help their situation I s'pose. If that's the case, did other people express their thoughts on the backlash they were getting from the fans?
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Post by Space Coyote » Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:03 am

Kendamu wrote:As I don't know Chris Sabat as a person and what he does in his freetime outside of his work on anime that FUNi distributes isn't really of any interest to me (as well as a lot of other people) when I say "I don't like Sabat" it's supposed to be pretty obvious that I'm talking about him as an employee of FUNimation.
Thank you, I'm sure you are, as I wasn't directing that particular post at any specific person. I was just referring to people in general who spit out hateful and mean remarks towards these people that seem to be slightly more than just disliking the creative decisions they make when doing their dubs.

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Post by Kirbopher » Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:52 am

I dunno, maybe I'm so defensive of people in the dubbing industry in general because I know a bit more deeply about how it works, and the people themselves, a bit more than most fans do. Like, I don't bother meeting and talking to those said people so I can go to my friends and be like "OH MY GOD GUYS, I JUST SPOKE TO INSERTNAMEHERE", but rather because I'm interested in them. As weird as this may sound to an average fan, they're kind of like what Hollywood movie stars would be to some people. I think I probably know more voice actor names than I do with movie actor names by this point in time.

...*ahem* in any case, carry on.

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Post by Space Coyote » Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:56 am

It's always fun to talk to actors, voice actors in particular, to learn about their craft. Lots of voice actors do stage work as well, so it's interesting to see how they differentiate the two and approach the roles differently.

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Post by KinoFourpaws » Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:14 pm

Space Coyote wrote:It's always fun to talk to actors, voice actors in particular, to learn about their craft. Lots of voice actors do stage work as well, so it's interesting to see how they differentiate the two and approach the roles differently.
It's also intriguing to see what other stuff they do aside from voice-acting or even actual acting. Kyle Hebert does (or did?) radio DJing and ads, Sean Schemmel played French Horn, Vic Mignogna does stuff in music and graphic design, and Sonny Strait draws comics. (He's also messing around with learning Bass guitar for his own band. xD) It's really interesting to see what other kinds of things they do that's not necessarily anime-related. After all, voice-acting (as fun as it seems) is a low-paying job... ^^;

And if anyone wonders how I know this about the different dub actors... well... I do my own research. It ain't that hard. :lol:
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Post by Space Coyote » Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:01 pm

I think Hebert started out as a DJ/voice for radio ads, and that's how he landed his gig at FUNimation. I don't think he does that anymore, but I could be wrong.

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Post by Chuquita » Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:43 pm

Mr. Strait draws comics? What kind and has he posted them anywhere? Are they actual comic-book comics or newspaper comic strips?


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