Ah... at risk of sounding dumb...

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Sat May 22, 2004 10:50 am

I suppose 21 does make more sense for Goten than 26, unless he's so spoilt that he's still quite immature. Trunks can work at 22 and 27 though, I think.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sat May 22, 2004 11:49 am

Another 'age not matching design' problem is between Goku and Goten. The scene at the tournament in the Buu Saga where the announcer sees Goku falling over... That looked like the Goku from the very first tournment, so he was 12. Twice the age of Goten. And yet they were the same height, and Goku was chubbier.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sat May 22, 2004 2:23 pm

But that's more of a "Wowsers, Goten you like totally look like yer dad!" type moment. No wonder he changed his hairstyle. But then he randomly wants to like Gohan so he changes it to match another family member. Damn GT.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Sat May 22, 2004 10:12 pm

It's more that Goku looks too young for a 12 year old than Goten looks too old. In fact, I wonder if Goku was originally going to be 14, and then Toriyama thought that 14 was just ridiculous, so he knocked it back to the slightly less crazy age of 12.

In any event, we all know how quickly kids grow these days...

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sun May 23, 2004 3:58 am

PsyLiam wrote:
B-kun wrote:Does Gohan even look the age, though? And I meatnt that Bulma seems to be perpetually young-ish.
34 really isn't old though. Many women in their 30s still look young. Bulma may be starting to push it when we get to the Buu saga, but it's not impossible. Look at Sigorney Weaver.

Back to your Sigorney Weaver obsession, eh Liam?

Anyway, I think Liam's right about the change of Goku's stated age at the beginning of DB. The way he tells Buruma when they first meet that he's 14 and then later during the tournament, he says that he told her that then because he wasn't sure how old he was at first and that he's really 12, just sounds like an "awkward fix" by Toriyama, which wouldn't be the first time.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun May 23, 2004 1:36 pm

More proof of 10 years over 5: American SJ#1 has a mini-history of DB/Z in Japan and America. One of the years states when GT debutes in Japan, and explains what the series was about stating that it took place 10 years after DBZ.

Where exactly did this 5 year rumor come from? I NEVER heard anything other than 10 until a few months ago on this board when everybody was stating that there was also given proof that there was a 5 year gap as well as official for 10.

TGDweezl · Post by **TGDweezl** » Sun May 23, 2004 1:46 pm

I always thought it was 10 years too. Bra looks like a boobless skank indeed but I guess the fact that Pan is shorter than Bra kinda throws people. I know i've made that mistake. Althought Maron looks like she's 15 and i think that's right since she was a tyke during the Great Saiyaman Saga so I put her no older than 15...maybe 16.

Whew, ages are confusing...it's hard enough to keep telling myself that I'm 22.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Sun May 23, 2004 2:00 pm

Dayspring wrote: Where exactly did this 5 year rumor come from? I NEVER heard anything other than 10 until a few months ago on this board when everybody was stating that there was also given proof that there was a 5 year gap as well as official for 10.

In the Dragon Ball GT Perfect File, it's listed as starting 5 years after the 28th (?) tourtnament. I'm going by that. Though I'm almost positive everything after the Bebi Saga takes place after about a year, because of the Budoukai. So yeah.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sun May 23, 2004 2:03 pm

I own the GT Perfect Files in question, but I can't read Japanese, so I'm afraid I don't think I can be of any help.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun May 23, 2004 2:14 pm

Althought Maron looks like she's 15 and i think that's right since she was a tyke during the Great Saiyaman Saga so I put her no older than 15...maybe 16.

There's another thing that sparks this whole argument. At the end of the of the manga she's 13, making her 23 in GT. But if only five years go by, Bra is 8, yet looks a year or two older than Maron who would be 18. On top of all that, Goten looks younger in GT than in the manga, and Trunks de-ages 10 years between the time he takes his suit off in ep 1 and when he's dressed up as a gay cowboy and Vegeta's mustache indicates that he's 12 years older an- **head explodes**

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Sun May 23, 2004 2:19 pm

HA! I TOLD YOU TO NEVER QUESTION GT!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun May 23, 2004 2:25 pm

After my head exploded, I realized why nobody understands the timelines and the amount of time that passes between the manga and GT:

GT takes place ONLY in the unknown timeline #4 described in Daizenshuu 7! Since GT defies all logic, Daizenshuu 7 put a big

after TL4's Cell Games. TOEI interpreted this as their cue for a spin-off, but we interpreted GT as a sequel series! It's makes perfect sense when you remove the common sense! DAMN, and I thought weed was good for tripping! All you need is Dragonball, baby! Whoo!

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sun May 23, 2004 2:30 pm

Dayspring, B-kun's busy right now and can't answer you so I'm passing along a message from him concerning your latest post.

"Even your solution to GT makes no sense."

sailorspazz · Post by **sailorspazz** » Sun May 23, 2004 7:29 pm

Ah, the GT debate again. What fun. To try and help, here are the facts with the official books (some people have already stated them, but it's nice to have things all condensed in one spot, ne?):

At the end of DBZ, Pan is 4 years old. Bra is given two different ages in Daizenshuu #7 (one listing her as a year older than Pan, one listing her as a year younger). They look to be about the same age at that point, but going off her appearance in GT, I'd say Bra was intended to be a year older.

The GT Perfect File books state that GT starts 5 years after the end of DBZ, making Pan and Bra 9 and 10, respectively. While Bra may look older than 10, I think Pan certainly looks like a 9-year-old.

I have no idea how rumor about GT being 10 years after DBZ got started, but there is no official Japanese source that uses that number. It's probably the case that a few years back a well-respected website said that GT was 10 years after DBZ, and since people thought the website to be reputable they all took it to be the truth. While Bra's appearance looks older than that of a 10-year old, if she were wearing different clothes people would probably think she fit that age better (I don't know why the hell Vegeta would let her wear something like that, seeing how he reacted when guys came on to her. Then again, I doubt Vegeta has much control over the women in his life, no matter how much he would like to

). I don't know what the hell is up with Marron, as she should be at least 8 years older than Bra and Pan yet, depending on how she's animated in any particular episode, she sometimes looks like she's almost the same age as them, but I guess she would be another character that fits with the 5-year statistic.

So, yeah. People debate about this (though I see no reason for the debate because there is an official source in favor of one number and many of the character's appearances are inconsistent with either supposed age anyway), but I personally adhere to the GT books and go with it being 5 years. It's up to you which one you want to believe (or if you want to go with the alternate timeline theory, that works, too

)

Alias · Post by **Alias** » Mon May 24, 2004 2:51 am

I came to the conclusion that it was ten years when I first saw GT. There's no official source that I can think of, though. It can always be debated, since DB is one of the most inconsistent shows I've ever seen and the official sources tend to be the same.

Pan could be 14 years old. She's got Goku's genes (look at how small he was at 16!). She's really short in the Goku Jr special. Plus, she's already interested in dating, as well as being allowed to go out on her own (I doubt Gohan would allow either if she was only 9).

Bra could be about sixteen. She knows how to drive already, has guys hitting on her (I'm assuming they weren't pedophiles), and definitely doesn't look 8, 9, or 10.

Uub also looks much older than fifteen, especially later on. Kuririn looks much older, Yamucha's turning gray, etc...

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Mon May 24, 2004 3:35 am

O_o Of COURSE Yamcha is turning grey. The man's, what, in his mid-fifties? Considering the life he led, it's not surprising at all.

Alias · Post by **Alias** » Mon May 24, 2004 3:57 am

As far as I remember, he wasn't graying at the end of Z. For half of his hair to go gray after five years of peace would be rather strange.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Mon May 24, 2004 2:23 pm

Mybe he found out he had about 15 illegitmate children? Considering his habit of cheating on Bulma..

Alias · Post by **Alias** » Mon May 24, 2004 2:44 pm

He didn't cheat. -_-

Before that Trunks thing, there was never any point in the series where Yamucha either showed serious interest in or went out with anyone other than Bulma... Blahditty... blah... blah...

...But I don't have the time to write much here, since I've got a final in about fifteen minutes. I'm working on an essay concerning the whole B/V/Y triangle, supported with facts (unlike most others' opinions about it). It'll be on my website when I finish it.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Mon May 24, 2004 3:01 pm

I'm trying to figure out how Yamcha didn't go gray from living with Bulma for all those years.