Planet Vegeta

[Kroni_Hunter]

don't kno if thats still in the redubbed episode, but ya thats what king kai says to goku in the ocean dub. Thats funny to picture the entire saiyan race on one giant spaceship, even if they were a small race it would still have to be in the hundreds or thousands. wonder how many showers they had

[Stargazer]

I don't see how the saiyans could have stolen that many ships to travel to another planet. And even if they had for whatever reason decided to move, you'd think those ships would have came with some decent firepower that they could have employed against the tsufuru.

It's only one ship that go to Plant.
And the ship didn't landed, it crashed and get badly damaged in the process.

They would have had to basically conquer an entire race and if that was the case why not just stay on that planet?

As said by the daizenshuu 7, the saiyans have no agricultural capacities since they found those kind of activities disgraceful for a warrior, so they have to attack others planets to steal food.

They don't started assimilate technology until the war with the Tsufuls, so before landing on Plant, we can speculate they were a bunch of nomads moving from planet to planet by stealing ships.

The Tsufuls's technology allow them to move more easily in space, they don't have to migrate anymore and can stay on planet Vegeta, moving from a nomad life to a sedentary life.

[SSj_Rambo]

None of the backstory involving the tsufuru is canon, so really you can believe whatever you want to believe.

Most of the Tsufuru back-story (meeting the Saiya-jins and then being conquered by them) is in the Daizenshuu, which is supposed to be considered the final word on what is canon.

I don't see how the saiyans could have stolen that many ships to travel to another planet, they would have had to basically conquer an entire race and if that was the case why not just stay on that planet?

Seeing that the Saiya-jins left their old planet to go to Planet Plant they must have been persuaded to leave by someone, probably someone who was willing to offer them money or food or shiny things as well as the means to find themselves a new planet (hence the single giant spaceship).

Plus as someone said earlier it seems strange they would have so much pride in a planet they barely inhabited. Plus in the episode "Legend of the Saiyans" they talk about how once the tsufuru were gone they couldnt travel through space. Does that mean the spaceships were destroyed or they dumb saiyans just couldn't figure out how to get them to work?

I don't remember any of the Saiya-jins ever saying they had any pride in their planet, just in their race.

And if your asking why the Saiya-jins didn't use the Tsufuru-jin spacecrafts it's because the Tsufuru are tiny in comparison to the Saiya-jins, and they probably couldn't find the keys. If your asking why the Saiya-jin's didn't then use the space ship they used to get there, than probably because they crashed it into the planet when they were landing, or because whoever gave/sold/traded them the spaceship probably only gave them enough fuel for a one way trip (or programmed it to permanently shut down after they landed) so as to not allow the Saiya-jins to find their way back and take the planet back.

[FormallyKnownAsPrince]

bah I think the whole Tuffle/Saiyan schpeel is just stupid... A whole race of people flying around in a single spaceship? Besides Planet Vegeta was said to have a gravity 10x that of Earth, thus giving the Saiyans their abnormal strength... so if Planet Vegeta= Planet Plant, how are the Tuffle so much weaker than the Saiyans in the first place? (Assuming of course Vegeta- I think he was the one that said the 10x gravity thing- wasn't talking about the first Saiyan planet...but was that also named Vegeta?)

Personally I'm just going to stick to what the manga says about Saiyan history... even if it's vague, it makes so much more sense to me.

[SSj_Rambo]

bah I think the whole Tuffle/Saiyan schpeel is just stupid... A whole race of people flying around in a single spaceship? Besides Planet Vegeta was said to have a gravity 10x that of Earth, thus giving the Saiyans their abnormal strength... so if Planet Vegeta= Planet Plant, how are the Tuffle so much weaker than the Saiyans in the first place? (Assuming of course Vegeta- I think he was the one that said the 10x gravity thing- wasn't talking about the first Saiyan planet...but was that also named Vegeta?)

It was already noted that it was said that the Saiya-jins weren't very numerous at that point, but yes, an entire race on a single spaceship does seem ridiculous, but I do accept that as canon, simply because it's from the Daizenshuu.

And onto the 10x gravity should have made the Tsufuru stronger matter, we don't know that the planet that the Saiya-jins came from didn't have a gravity of 10x Earths or more or less. But even if their previous planet had less gravity than Planet Plant their size should have given them a considerable amount of strength over the Tsfuru. Not to mention that the Saiya-jins were on Planet Plant for 180 years before they actually conquered the Tsufuru, so they had plenty of time to acclimate to the gravity.

Personally I'm just going to stick to what the manga says about Saiyan history... even if it's vague, it makes so much more sense to me.

What all does the manga say about the Saiya-jin's history?

[Herms]

Besides Planet Vegeta was said to have a gravity 10x that of Earth, thus giving the Saiyans their abnormal strength... so if Planet Vegeta= Planet Plant, how are the Tuffle so much weaker than the Saiyans in the first place? (Assuming of course Vegeta- I think he was the one that said the 10x gravity thing- wasn't talking about the first Saiyan planet...but was that also named Vegeta?)

It was Kaio who said that, speaking to Goku during the start of his training. DBZ episode 20 says that the since the Tsufuru weren't as strong as the Saiyans, they were only half as tall due to the planet's high gravity.

For the record, what Kaio says is that "The planet the Saiyans were on had gravity about the same as here [ie Kaio's planet, which has 10x Earth's gravity]. They toughened their bodies here." So he doesn't say that Planet Vegeta was the Saiyan's home planet, just that that's where they were. He also doesn't say that they evolved to deal with the gravity, just that they toughened themselves up with it, like Goku does on Kaio's planet.

[SSj_Rambo]

It was Kaio who said that, speaking to Goku during the start of his training. DBZ episode 20 says that the since the Tsufuru weren't as strong as the Saiyans, they were only half as tall due to the planet's high gravity.

Did King Kaio really mean that the gravity is what made the Tsufuru that short? Because Goku and Vegeta (or their children) never seemed to get any shorter due to their gravity training.

[Herms]

Did King Kaio really mean that the gravity is what made the Tsufuru that short? Because Goku and Vegeta (or their children) never seemed to get any shorter due to their gravity training.

Yeah, he says it's due to the gravity. But it's only because they're not as strong as the Saiyans. The Saiyans are strong, so the high gravity doesn't affect their height.

Anyway, I just found something interesting. Daizenshuu 5 has a page on the memos Toriyama sent the anime staff, including character designs for filler characters, ideas for filler, and background information on the DB world. Anyway, it shows his memo for the Tsufuru. Toriyama's memo talks about the two races of Planet Plant, the Tsufuru and the Saiyans. All of this information was what got used for DBZ episode 20 (the Tsufuru being only half as big as the Saiyans due to the gravity, etc.), but the interesting thing is that Toriyama refers to the planet as "Planet Plant" (that name wasn't used in the episode, only later in the OVA). So "Planet Plant" comes from Toriyama.

[goodguy777]

Did King Kaio really mean that the gravity is what made the Tsufuru that short? Because Goku and Vegeta (or their children) never seemed to get any shorter due to their gravity training.

Yeah, he says it's due to the gravity. But it's only because they're not as strong as the Saiyans. The Saiyans are strong, so the high gravity doesn't affect their height.

Anyway, I just found something interesting. Daizenshuu 5 has a page on the memos Toriyama sent the anime staff, including character designs for filler characters, ideas for filler, and background information on the DB world. Anyway, it shows his memo for the Tsufuru. Toriyama's memo talks about the two races of Planet Plant, the Tsufuru and the Saiyans. All of this information was what got used for DBZ episode 20 (the Tsufuru being only half as big as the Saiyans due to the gravity, etc.), but the interesting thing is that Toriyama refers to the planet as "Planet Plant" (that name wasn't used in the episode, only later in the OVA). So "Planet Plant" comes from Toriyama.

Thank you!!!

About Toriyama's character designs for filler characters, ideas for filler, and background information on the DB world, does it mean it's canon?

[SSj_Rambo]

About Toriyama's character designs for filler characters, ideas for filler, and background information on the DB world, does it mean it's canon?

As long as it doesn't contradict anything that happens out side of filler, than it is generally considered canon.