The Tuffles

[Tsukento]

France and Mexico do that with American comics and cartoons as well.

Speaking of, the Mexican dub of the Dragon Ball series has had its moments of "Wait, what?" when it comes to translations or just name changes. Such as using Pikoro instead of Piccolo, as well as calling the original one being called "Pikoro Daimaku" instead of Piccolo Daimao.

Funny enough, they say "Dragon Ball/Z/GT" for each series' title, but the actual Dragon Balls are actually called "Las esferas de dragón."

[Maphisto86]

The Tsufuru-jin are exclusive to the anime, they are however a concept that Toriyama came up with.

Also, am I the only one that thinks "Tuffle" sounds extremely stupid?

Hello no. Every time I hear it I think of what a pig finds with it's nose. I prefer the original Japanese name.

"I understand that the events that take place in the OVA cannot be part of the manga timeline, but there is no reason that the events, or parts of the events, that are mentioned in the OVA (such as the history of the Saiya-jin and Tsufuru) cannot fit. And since those parts (and those parts alone) are mentioned in the Daizenshuu, it falls into my definition on Dragonball canon.

And also, I'm pretty sure that the spaceship was only mentioned in the Daizneshuu.

I was always confused by the origin's of the Saiyajin being not from their original homeworld. I even thought it was a piece of fanon at one point until I heard it was present in the Daizenshuu. I am glad to find out what it's true source material is.

[Rocketman]

Hello no. Every time I hear it I think of what a pig finds with it's nose. I prefer the original Japanese name.

You mean the ripened ovaries of flowering plants?

[Maphisto86]

Hello no. Every time I hear it I think of what a pig finds with it's nose. I prefer the original Japanese name.

You mean the ripened ovaries of flowering plants?

Yeah, Truffles I guess it could work in the pun theme scheme of things but I just didn't think it sounded right.

Anyway, I will ask this though: Is there any canon indication that scouters where the invention of the Tsufurujin? On many websites that is what is said but as far as I am aware both the manga and the anime never say such. Of course I don't have those sources with me. let alone a Daizenshuu .

[Captain Awesome]

For what it's worth, the UK / Canadian / Blue Water dub of GT used the word Tsufle. Which is much closer to the original word and less dumb sounding.

...it's exactly the same but for a hiss at the end of the 'tuh'.

I've only seen a few clips on Youtube, but I'm pretty sure they pronounce it Tsoo-ful.

[Herms]

Anyway, I will ask this though: Is there any canon indication that scouters where the invention of the Tsufurujin? On many websites that is what is said but as far as I am aware both the manga and the anime never say such. Of course I don't have those sources with me. let alone a Daizenshuu :cry: .

Toriyama's memo on the Tsufuru and Saiyan history notes that the scouter was one of the Tsufuru's inventions. I don't believe the actual episode directly states this, but the fact that the Tsufuru are shown with scouters rather strongly suggests it.

[Rocketman]

Hello no. Every time I hear it I think of what a pig finds with it's nose. I prefer the original Japanese name.

You mean the ripened ovaries of flowering plants?

Yeah, Truffles I guess it could work in the pun theme scheme of things but I just didn't think it sounded right.

No, no. Fruits are the ripened ovaries of flowering plants.


Unless truffles are fruit, I dunno.

[Wojak]

You mean the ripened ovaries of flowering plants?

Yeah, Truffles I guess it could work in the pun theme scheme of things but I just didn't think it sounded right.

No, no. Fruits are the ripened ovaries of flowering plants.


Unless truffles are fruit, I dunno.

They are some kind of mushroom-thingies, living under the soil. So I don't think that can be called fruit.

[Dayspring]

I thought Truffles was exactly what the Tsuffles were a pun on. Truffles are essentially mushrooms, which are vegetables, like the Saiyan name-puns. If you argue that they're a different kind of plant than the edible vegetable kind, notice that their indegenous planet's name was "Plant." Truffles sounds like an excellent pun to go on.

[Herms]

Nah, GT Perfect Files vol.1 confirms that Tsufuru is a pun on "fruits". I think it's mentioned in one or two more official sources as well, but I can't quite remember.

[SaiyaMel]

Probably, the original intention/concept on this is that both races arose on Planet Plant. (if they did - the Saiyans and Tsufuls could be related) Then I guess Toei got the idea of the Saiyans being an introduced species, from the OVA, when they tossed that bit into GT..

[Kaboom]

Yeah, switch the first syllable around and "tsufuru" becomes "furutsu" ("fruits"). Fruits vs. Vegetables. The age-old rivalry.

[Rocketman]

Just out of curiosity, what would "truffles" be in Japanese?

[Sprite Satan]

Just out of curiosity, what would "truffles" be in Japanese?

Something close to "toryufu".

[Kaboom]

"Tu-Ra-Fu(-Ru)," I guess.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

Just out of curiosity, what would "truffles" be in Japanese?

Something close to "toryufu".

Yes, the Japanese Wikipedia says トリュフ.

[Maphisto86]

You mean the ripened ovaries of flowering plants?

Yeah, Truffles I guess it could work in the pun theme scheme of things but I just didn't think it sounded right.

No, no. Fruits are the ripened ovaries of flowering plants.


Unless truffles are fruit, I dunno.

I guessed that's what you meant but reading the Wikipedia page on Truffles, their category seemed a bit nebulous to me at the time: "The ascoma (fruiting body) of truffles is highly prized as a food,". Of course they are not talking about the Truffle in it's entirety so I stand corrected.

Toriyama's memo on the Tsufuru and Saiyan history notes that the scouter was one of the Tsufuru's inventions. I don't believe the actual episode directly states this, but the fact that the Tsufuru are shown with scouters rather strongly suggests it.

Thanks for that answer Herms. I like reading the character sheets that are posted here on Daizenshuu EX. Gives a little bit of insight in how Mr. Toriyama imagined the story. Where is the memo seen? In one of the Daizenshuu?

[Herms]

Thanks for that answer Herms. :) I like reading the character sheets that are posted here on Daizenshuu EX. Gives a little bit of insight in how Mr. Toriyama imagined the story. Where is the memo seen? In one of the Daizenshuu?

It's shown in Daizenshuu 5 and DBZ Son Goku Densetsu. The image in Son Goku Densetsu is much bigger and easier to read. Here's a translation of it I did awhile back:

Planet Plant [crossed out in red with “Planet Vegeta” written in, but all other instances of “Planet Plant” are left untouched] is a difficult planet to live on, as its gravity is unusually strong. However, two races live here. The majority of the inhabitants of Planet Plant are Tsufuru. Their bodies are small, but knowledge-wise they have a comparatively advanced culture and civilization. The other race has an unusually small population, but their bodies are large and strong. They are a primitive, warlike race called the Saiyans. Their biggest distinguishing characteristic is that they have tails, and every one of them seems to be a warrior.

[Picture of Tsufuru, with scouter and blaster gun, labeled “Tsufuru-jin”. We see a colored version of this guy in DBZ episode 20 when Kaio introduces the Tsufuru] Due to the heavy gravity, they are about half as big as the Saiyans.

[arrow pointing to scouter on Tsufuru’s head] This scouter, for instance, and other such things were originally Tsufuru inventions.

[picture of three caveman-like Saiyans, all three of which ended up appearing in Kaio’s flashback] The Saiyans of long ago

[picture of the Saiyans’ rocky housing] The housing area that the ancient Saiyans lived in (perhaps more varied shapes might be good?)