Unpopular DB opinions

[DBZAOTA482]

-I found Dragon Ball-Frieza Saga Bulma overly slutty and bitchy, Android Saga and onwards Bulma is MUCH better.

[Olympian]

He literally says, "Lemme just practice a little," and he doesn't aim it at Chiaotzu or anything, so I don't know what else it could have been.

I don`t recall that in the Glanat editions I used to read. I assume you are using the Viz editions? Since there is a chance I am mistaken here, I can conceed that the first try out was just that, no problem.

Kame-sennin said it was because the attack wasn't "properly taught". I don't think that says anything about Kuririn's actual strength--just that Yamcha's had more practice with the Kamehameha. Maybe that puts Yamcha ahead in a less literal sense than I was thinking.

..but his actual wave was still weaker than required. Whether that steems from Kuririn`s strength or his skill with it, I think it goes to the same line of idea about being placed behind Yamucha for me.

I don't think we can gauge speed from a manga. All we know is that Kuririn was so fast that only Tenshinhan could see him at one point.

I recall Tenshinhan being the only one watching Goku move when he was zipping past Kuririn before he knocked him off the ring...what instance was that?

I think Yamcha and Tenshinhan's fight might just feel faster because Tenshinhan actually engages in an exchange of blows, whereas Chiaotzu just floats too far out of the ring for anyone who can't fly to engage him, effectively bringing the fight to a halt.

The coreography was a big part of it yes, but Tenshinhan`s level of speed and his fighting pace are also another. His style was simply more ferocious.

Anyway, I'm not saying you're wrong. It's possible that Yamcha was a bit ahead. But I still don't think the matches are comparable, and if we switched the opponents around (Yamcha vs Chiaotzu, Kuririn vs Tenshinhan), I'm not convinced we'd see much of a difference in terms of strength, speed, etc. A Kamehameha from Yamcha may have beaten Chiaotzu where Kuririn's failed, however.

I believe he would have knocked him off the ring, yes, out of that I can`t disagree with much of anything with what you said.

[The Time Traveller]

-I found Dragon Ball-Frieza Saga Bulma overly slutty and bitchy, Android Saga and onwards Bulma is MUCH better.

Slutty? I thought she was pretty bitchy though, like when they get on the ship to Namek then she suddenly turns cold.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I don't know if this is a popular or unpopular opinion, but I think Brad Swaile is just as good an older Gohan as Kyle Hebert.

I've actually come to prefer Swaile to Hebert. He sounds somewhat more age-appropriate, although I'd say that their actual deliveries are on par.

Also, I prefer Michaels' Goten and Weseluck's kid Trunks in Ocean to Edwards' Goten and Bailey's kid Trunks in FUNimation. The latter's voices sound a bit too scratchy for my liking, although still tolerable.

-I found Dragon Ball-Frieza Saga Bulma overly slutty and bitchy, Android Saga and onwards Bulma is MUCH better.

I don't think that's too unpopular an opinion. She was pretty promiscuous and short-tempered pre-Z, was mad at Yamcha for an unexplained reason in the Saiyan arc (although she wasn't as prevalent in that arc), and acted like a self-entitled princess throughout the Freeza arc.

But I never disliked her because of that, as she was genuinely helpful for the heroes, with her technological know-how. And yes, Cell arc Blooma and onwards is less slutty and bitchy, probably in part because she had a kid to look after and eventually settled down with Vegeta, but don't forget that she up and dumped Yamcha for good due to her paranoid jealousy for him cheating (you can argue at me until you're blue in the face, but there's no way I'll ever accept Yamcha as a "playboy"), then went and bedded a fucking mass-murderer and somehow fell in love with him.

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

I'd say the accident that became Trunks(there is no way that baby was planned) was what helped set her straight. Gone were the days when she could be flirty, she played with one too many fires and got hit with reality. However, She was lucky it happened with Vegeta. Say what you will about the guy, but there personalities were perfect for each other.

[Bussani]

I don`t recall that in the Glanat editions I used to read. I assume you are using the Viz editions? Since there is a chance I am mistaken here, I can conceed that the first try out was just that, no problem.

I was using Viz's translation, but I double checked the Japanese to be sure, and he more or less says the same thing.



練習 is "practice".

..but his actual wave was still weaker than required. Whether that steems from Kuririn`s strength or his skill with it, I think it goes to the same line of idea about being placed behind Yamucha for me.

Fair enough. That's not how I was looking at it initially, but I see where you're coming from.

I recall Tenshinhan being the only one watching Goku move when he was zipping past Kuririn before he knocked him off the ring...what instance was that?

The one during Kuririn and Chiaotzu's fight happens when he charges at him. Chiaotzu can't see him coming and Tenshinhan has to tell him which direction to turn--but Chiaotzu can't tell his left from his right very well, so he gets clobbered anyway. I probably shouldn't have said that only Tenshinhan could see him, because I'd imagine Goku and maybe Kame-sennin could too, but my point is that Kuririn was some unknown factor faster that Chiaotzu could handle (which is precisely when he starts being cheap and floating out of bounds). I still say we can't compare Yamcha and Kuririn's speed based on that; both are likely faster than Chiaotzu and slower than Tenshinhan.

The coreography was a big part of it yes, but Tenshinhan`s level of speed and his fighting pace are also another. His style was simply more ferocious.

That's my point. It's not possible to have a fast fight with Chiaotzu, so how can one compare the speeds of their opponents? If Kuririn had been fighting Tenshinhan and Yamcha had been fighting Chiaotzu, you might be saying that Kuririn was faster.

[Attitudefan]

Yamcha had better Ki control over Krillin in the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai

[Metalwario64]

-I found Dragon Ball-Frieza Saga Bulma overly slutty and bitchy, Android Saga and onwards Bulma is MUCH better.

Slutty? I thought she was pretty bitchy though, like when they get on the ship to Namek then she suddenly turns cold.

I think DBZAOTA482 might be referring to the FUNimation dub, where she starts telling Vegeta and Polunga that they're "kinda cute" and stuff.

[Saiga]

Yamcha had better Ki control over Krillin in the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai

Because he trained over the timeskip to use Ki attacks and Kurilin didn't.

[Nikkolas]

-I found Dragon Ball-Frieza Saga Bulma overly slutty and bitchy, Android Saga and onwards Bulma is MUCH better.

Slutty? I thought she was pretty bitchy though, like when they get on the ship to Namek then she suddenly turns cold.

I think DBZAOTA482 might be referring to the FUNimation dub, where she starts telling Vegeta and Polunga that they're "kinda cute" and stuff.

Was it really just a dub thing?

Didn't she flash Roshi to get the Dragonball?
And didn't she try to work her "feminine wiles" on Blue?
And didn't she go all gooey-eyed over Zarbon?

I can see why people would interpret all this as pretty slutty. The last part is perhaps less slutty and more just plain retarded.

[DBZAOTA482]

Was it really just a dub thing?

Didn't she flash Roshi to get the Dragonball?
And didn't she try to work her "feminine wiles" on Blue?
And didn't she go all gooey-eyed over Zarbon?

I can see why people would interpret all this as pretty slutty. The last part is perhaps less slutty and more just plain retarded.

Don't forget she once offered to show li'l Goku her ass for a Dragonball.

[Gonstead]

Just started re-watching GT and all I really have to say is... I really don't like Akito Tokunaga's score so far from what I've heard.

[Fionordequester]

I'm assuming you're turned off by how cheery it is and everything even in the fight scenes? I wouldn't worry, because even though I haven't seen much of Japanese GT, I CAN say that the fight music gets WAAAYYYY better once Bebi gets to taking over Earth.

[Metalwario64]

Was it really just a dub thing?

Didn't she flash Roshi to get the Dragonball?
And didn't she try to work her "feminine wiles" on Blue?
And didn't she go all gooey-eyed over Zarbon?

I can see why people would interpret all this as pretty slutty. The last part is perhaps less slutty and more just plain retarded.

Perhaps, but I interpreted DBZAOTA482 as saying that she was even more so in the Namek-arc, which she to me, seemed less so than usual.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I'd say the accident that became Trunks(there is no way that baby was planned) was what helped set her straight. Gone were the days when she could be flirty, she played with one too many fires and got hit with reality. However, She was lucky it happened with Vegeta. Say what you will about the guy, but there personalities were perfect for each other.

I always thought that, by the time at least the 23rd Tenkaichi Budoukai rolled round, she'd matured and stopped playing around with guys (still wrongly accused Yamcha of cheating, though, because that kind of shit doesn't just go away like that - but she wouldn't have to worry about that with Vegeta). I mean, after the Red Ribbon Army arc, we didn't really see her flirting with men anymore, although that could largely be due to DB's shift to a more serious tone (we didn't see Gokuu with his dick out post-RRA either). Becoming a mother when she had Trunks was probably what cemented her, though.

Although, even back then, just because she flirted doesn't mean that she ever really intended to have sex with them. The only time it ever got serious was when those Red Ribbon Army guys tried to rape her, and that alone may've been enough to set her straight. And I'm sure that Vegeta didn't rape her.

I think DBZAOTA482 might be referring to the FUNimation dub, where she starts telling Vegeta and Polunga that they're "kinda cute" and stuff.

Was it really just a dub thing?

Didn't she flash Roshi to get the Dragonball?
And didn't she try to work her "feminine wiles" on Blue?
And didn't she go all gooey-eyed over Zarbon?

I think Blooma told Porunga something like "You're kinda cute for such a big dragon" after he decided to bring back Kuririn's tattered body and clothes "as a special favour", but beforehand, she never called Vegeta cute. She just jokingly warned him off doing anything naughty, because "I know I'm hard to resist!"

And she didn't go "gooey-eyed" over Zarbon. She was already shitting herself when Vegeta came onto the scene, and after Zarbon arrived, she still was, saying something like, "I suppose it's too much to assume that this is the handsome hero that's come to rescue us?!", and after he transformed, she cried, "Definitely not a good guy!"

Yamcha had better Ki control over Krillin in the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai

Because he trained over the timeskip to use Ki attacks and Kurilin didn't.

Yeah, that's pretty much a given. Yamcha could perform a full-strength Kamehameha; Kuririn couldn't and apparently hadn't even tried to.

Either way, I put Yamcha as slightly weaker than Kuririn at the 22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai, due to Kuririn's own admittance that Yamcha was "about as good as me". I think the difference between Gokuu and Kuririn at the 21st Tenkaichi Budoukai was larger than the difference between Kuririn and Yamcha, which closed up a little bit more after they both went through further training (the latter being trained by Kame-sennin, which may've pushed him higher and faster than Kuririn, who'd already gone through Kame-sennin's regime and was "walking his own path".

Then the gap widened up a little, for some unexplained reason.

[Gonstead]

By the time the Namek Saga started, the martial arts aspect of the series was officially dead.

[Piccolo Daimao]

By the time the Namek Saga started, the martial arts aspect of the series was officially dead.

I'd say that happened in the Saiyan arc, with the introduction of battle powers and people like the Saiyans and Freeza, who largely relied on brute force.

[Gonstead]

By the time the Namek Saga started, the martial arts aspect of the series was officially dead.

I'd say that happened in the Saiyan arc, with the introduction of battle powers and people like the Saiyans and Freeza, who largely relied on brute force.

I wouldn't say so. I think the Saiyan fights seemed to have their fair share of martial arts action, even in the Vegeta vs Goku fight.

[DBZAOTA482]

By the time the Namek Saga started, the martial arts aspect of the series was officially dead.

By the time GT started, hand-to-hand combat in general was officially dead.

[Rory]

, like when they get on the ship to Namek then she suddenly turns cold.

Right, not being funny here, but I started to believe that Bulma might just be having a bit of a mood change at that point... y'know.. maybe it's a certain time of the month.