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Re: So MLP Just Went DBZ....

Post by Gaffer Tape » Fri May 16, 2014 7:51 pm

SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:It isnt actually, the discussion is about how excessively forced it is into every single media fandom bypassing relevance. I also havent seen any cases with girls that like a boy show taking it as far as some of the majority of bronies that indeed have hypersexualizations of the characters they watch.
First I have to ask if you actually have any empirical evidence to back up your "majority" claim.

Admittedly, I have no idea what "hypersexualizations" you're talking about, and I don't really know anything about this series, so maybe I'm off base here, but, ahem, have you seen the Sexy Fan Art thread that exists on this very forum? Rule 34 is not exclusive to one show, so, even if some people do get off to characters and ideas, that makes it different from any other fandom in existence how? And again, "majority." How do you know that?
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Re: So MLP Just Went DBZ....

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Fri May 16, 2014 7:54 pm

Cure Dragon 255 wrote:You havent heard of yaoi have you?
Yaoi is just a gay fantasy. Its not something that isn't taboo for indecent intensions. There is no ulterior motive to the implication. Yuri is the same thing, but gay fantansies don't have to feature little kids as the protagonists which is the difference. Most people I know that like Yaoi though are naive 13 - 16 year old girls though who think the men preforming it are attractive heterosexually, while them being gay is only a guilty thing for them of it being something they consider naughty. Pedophilia is much more complex than that.
Super Sonic wrote:It sounds as if you're perpetuating the stereotype and double standard that it's ok for Women to watch boys' cartoons, but not ok for men to watch girls' cartoons. For some reason that's only with anime as given how many guys like Ouran and Shojo anime and aren't afraid to admit it.
He is very popular.
Liking a Show for Teen girls 13 - 16 as a male doesnt have the same stigma as a grown man liking a show for girls 6-8, because the gauge of pedophilic implications is the difference, and most "little boy" shows aren't actually gender locked. A girl can like bob the builder for what he does than who Bob specifically was, where as the Ponies are portrayed as personafied little girls in horse-bodies, with most of the attention attributes centering on them. You watch the show for them not for what they do in the show.
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SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:It isnt actually, the discussion is about how excessively forced it is into every single media fandom bypassing relevance. I also havent seen any cases with girls that like a boy show taking it as far as some of the majority of bronies that indeed have hypersexualizations of the characters they watch.
First I have to ask if you actually have any empirical evidence to back up your "majority" claim.

Admittedly, I have no idea what "hypersexualizations" you're talking about, and I don't really know anything about this series, so maybe I'm off base here, but, ahem, have you seen the Sexy Fan Art thread that exists on this very forum? Rule 34 is not exclusive to one show, so, even if some people do get off to characters and ideas, that makes it different from any other fandom in existence how? And again, "majority." How do you know that?
If all youre judging my opinion on is what little you've seen let alone all you've passed by here than you're not going to understand my position. The majority I was subjected to is on Youtube and 4Chan, the same community with all the furries. The same community that takes everything too far.
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Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could have a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story's poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when it's right in front of you.

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Re: So MLP Just Went DBZ....

Post by qjz123 » Fri May 16, 2014 7:57 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote:
SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:It isnt actually, the discussion is about how excessively forced it is into every single media fandom bypassing relevance. I also havent seen any cases with girls that like a boy show taking it as far as some of the majority of bronies that indeed have hypersexualizations of the characters they watch.
First I have to ask if you actually have any empirical evidence to back up your "majority" claim.

Admittedly, I have no idea what "hypersexualizations" you're talking about, and I don't really know anything about this series, so maybe I'm off base here, but, ahem, have you seen the Sexy Fan Art thread that exists on this very forum? Rule 34 is not exclusive to one show, so, even if some people do get off to characters and ideas, that makes it different from any other fandom in existence how? And again, "majority." How do you know that?
You don't think people getting off to young female ponies is weird. Now I have no idea how many Bronies are into that kind've stuff but I would hardly compare it to the sexy fan art thread that exists here its not like you have people posting provocative photos of a 5 year old Pan.
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Re: So MLP Just Went DBZ....

Post by Gaffer Tape » Fri May 16, 2014 8:20 pm

SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:Liking a Show for Teen girls 13 - 16 as a male doesnt have the same stigma as a grown man liking a show for girls 6-8, because the gauge of pedophilic implications is the difference, and most "little boy" shows aren't actually gender locked. A girl can like bob the builder for what he does than who Bob specifically was, where as the Ponies are portrayed as personafied little girls in horse-bodies, with most of the attention attributes centering on them. You watch the show for them not for what they do in the show.
That's ridiculous. It only is or isn't "gender locked" because you and other people say it is. There's nothing inherent to say that one is wholly different from the other. And that's my problem with this whole thing because we as a society constantly see boy stuff as "gender neutral" and girl stuff as "just for girls." So we have this amazing hypocrisy where women are accepted and even encouraged to be into "guy stuff" while people get "weirded out" when the reverse is applied even when there's absolutely no difference. And of course you watch a show for the characters. You watch any show for the characters. Not to mention this whole idea you're posting is word-for-word the notion that "men do, women are." In other words, that men are admired for their skills while women are admired for their ability to look pretty. If that is really the case with these fans, then shame on them, but it sounds to me like you're projecting your own worldviews onto a subculture.
SingleFringe&Sparks wrote: If all youre judging my opinion on is what little you've seen let alone all you've passed by here than you're not going to understand my position. The majority I was subjected to is on Youtube and 4Chan, the same community with all the furries. The same community that takes everything too far.
You mean the same communities that are home to DB fans that we here on Kanzenshuu are constantly embarrassed by because we feel they are immature, confrontational, and basically represent the worst attributes of our fandom? And their My Little Pony fans are the same way? Once again, forgive me if, after having spent half of my life trying to distance myself from bad Dragon Ball fans, I have a hard time accepting that as empirical evidence.
qjz123 wrote:You don't think people getting off to young female ponies is weird. Now I have no idea how many Bronies are into that kind've stuff but I would hardly compare it to the sexy fan art thread that exists hear its not like you have people posting provocative photos of a 5 year old Pan.
I'm not just comparing your claims to our thread here. I was just saying that porn exists in all fandoms, ours included. But don't think for a second that, just because it's not here (again, see my point above about different bastions of DB fans) doesn't mean sexy fanart of underage DB characters doesn't exist. Because I can guarantee you that, over the course of the past 16 years, I have run afoul of it at least once.

My point is, every single fandom has weird, creepy people in it doing things they probably shouldn't be doing. And I'm not justifying that. But while I don't have anything empirical to back my points up either, it's impossible for me to sit here on this forum of all things and judge an entire fandom that has so much in common with us to the point where I've been able to take every single negative criticism that's been posted here to MLP and apply it to us. And I'm certainly not going to judge it based on the sample size of YouTube and 4Chan of all places!
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Re: So MLP Just Went DBZ....

Post by hulkty » Fri May 16, 2014 10:29 pm

LOL @ everyone that says this show isn't a "girl's show".
So stupid...
Simply having good dialogue and fight scene doesn't mean a thing. Stop teasing yourself Bronies. Seriously...

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Re: So MLP Just Went DBZ....

Post by hulkty » Fri May 16, 2014 10:37 pm

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Re: So MLP Just Went DBZ....

Post by hulkty » Fri May 16, 2014 10:39 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:Am I the only one who thinks this looks like a bad flash cartoon with a budget? The over saturation of Colour makes me wanna throw up :sick: . It's like "LOOK AT THE COLOURS COLOURS HERP A DERP FLASHY OOOH AAAH." Reminds me of how Sonic Lost World went to far with colours as well. Or in other terms the Faulconer "Never stop playing music" exept in visuals. "We must have flashy colours all the time or else people will lose interest."

I'll say the fight is better than something like Goku vs Pamputto or any other joke fight, but that's it.

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Re: So MLP Just Went DBZ....

Post by DonZ » Sat May 17, 2014 10:49 am

Why are people hating on MLP? yeah, it's a girl show. it's mainly aimed at little girls.. but who cares? being "mainly aimed" at a certain audience doesn't mean they're the only people who can watch the show!

I'm not a fan of MLP btw, never watched, never will.. it just doesn't interest me at all.

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Re: So MLP Just Went DBZ....

Post by VegettoEX » Sat May 17, 2014 10:54 am

People don't seem to be able to bring this back around to a Dragon Ball discussion in any way. I'm all for gender role discussions and comparing franchises, but this thread has long since served any purpose relating to those topics.

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